suessmayr
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...methadone doesnt effect the mu receptors that other opiates such as oxy and heroin effect, these are responsible for that euphoric feeling. .
That's bullshit.
...methadone doesnt effect the mu receptors that other opiates such as oxy and heroin effect, these are responsible for that euphoric feeling. .
I've recently started a Methadone Clinic, today was my 3rd day. This is a private treatment CMG clinic in FL.They started me at 20mgs and today I was able to go up 5mgs, this still does not cover all my withdrawals for 24 hours, I understand that Methadone does take some time to "build up" in your system.
The past 2 days I've used at night time when my dose starts to wear off, not that much, last night a 8mg dilly and 15mg roxi, should I inform that nurses at the clinic that i've used when my dose wears off because it does not cover me or will that just make them less willing to increase my dose because I'm not complying with the program? I'm supposed to see the Dr. for the first time tmw, he wasn't there for my induction he just called it in or something on the phone. Should I voice my problems to him or will it just be a physical exam and the dosing nurse is the one with real power... I understand not all clinics are the same, just looking for some guidence.
I know drug testing questions aren't really allowed, but I only want to know if most methadone clinics will kick you out for weed?
^yep. Methadone is undeniably a mu opioid receptor full agonist such as oxy and heroin. Period.
Individual methadone clinic policies will vary regarding positive urine screens. Just go and ask the patients if you're uncomfortable asking the clinic... but you could always call anonymously and ask.
Regarding the opioids... it'll vary, they may be very strict or they may just recommend you increase your methadone dose.
Although I've only ever been on bupe I can answer your questions because I just saw my doc. to arrange a bupe-methadone switch and asked him those EXACT questions.
1) Methadone handles cravings better (I've heard/read this from dozens, no, hundreds of users) as it's a full agonist i.e., saturates your brain's receptors whereas bupe only sprinkles them with piss.
2) My doc told me today that it's absolutely possible to get off methadone with minimal - zero discomfort, provided you go extremely slowly. Now that I think of it, it's only ever been from people who went cold turkey that I've heard horrible things about methadone WD's.
I'm changing to methadone from bupe in a few days for that first reason precisely, namely, cravings. S.
I'm changing to methadone from bupe in a few days for that first reason precisely, namely, cravings. S.
Wikipedia, for all its bullshit, does cite a study or two which would appear to confirm the proposition that "methadone withdrawal" is much worse than heroin withdrawal. But I imagine that the situation contemplated is one of cold-turkey withdrawal. If methadone was literally and in every instance at least "twice as bad" in the withdrawals (what those studies say) I don't imagine that it would be as effective or as strongly advocated as it has been.
I'd still like to hear Cane2theLeft's opinion on this. I have a feeling that Suboxone works better at receptor down regulation because of it's agonist/antagonist properties, it's not self-reinforcing like a full-agonist.
Cane, could you chime in and let us know what you think about Suboxone vs Methadone tapers and if it's possible to feel little w/d with a slow methadone taper?
Wikipedia, for all its bullshit, does cite a study or two which would appear to confirm the proposition that "methadone withdrawal" is much worse than heroin withdrawal. But I imagine that the situation contemplated is one of cold-turkey withdrawal. If methadone was literally and in every instance at least "twice as bad" in the withdrawals (what those studies say) I don't imagine that it would be as effective or as strongly advocated as it has been.
S
Have you been on subs for at least a year with clean Urines. If so please let me know if they allow weekly or bi-weekly takehomes after your MMT dose is stablized. I'm thinking seriously of going back to MMT but can't handle the clinic visits everyday for mos.
I live in Australia and have already completed nearly 2 years without messing up on the subs, therefore I will be able to get 4 takeaways per week immediately after switching to methadone. My doc said that although this isn't a question strictly of laws, it is customary to limit bupe takeaways in most cases to one week's worth and methadone TA's to 3-4 days work. So I'm confident that before long he'll just give me a week in methadone. Also he said that if I ever wanted to travel, as with bupe, I can get 200 doses (or pills, I forget) of methadone at once.
How far is the drive to your clinic man? Is it really better to be on a less-than-ideal medicine that it would be to just hit up the clinic daily for methadone? Personally I find the daily visits can be helpful, as they make it more difficult to just lapse into inactivity and depression.
S
Tramadol won't do anything, especially if you have been on methadone.