OK, so i didnt mean for this to be so long but i had alot on my mind
Ok, so I signed up for this site, just to add my two cents to this whole "massive jwh 018 dosage" conversation. So, to begin, SWIM and his friends have been playing around with JWH 018 for around a month now, having tested various dosages, batches, methods of ingestion etc. The first batch (made of small white granules) seemed markedly less potent than the second (which was also white, but sparkly-er and more crystalline). SWIM, like "Tom" mentioned above, has had extensive experience with strong cannabis, and in the past used a considerable amount of psychedelics.
OK, so on to the interesting part: While "average" doses are definitely sufficient to get everybody high, SWIM and many of his friends prefer smoking "large" or "insane" doses. This is not the effect of a tolerance building up, at least not to the drug itself, and seems to have more to do with a sort of mental preparedness, a tolerance to being fucked up in general after so many years of intoxication.
All doses are eyeballed (I know...I know...), so exact mgs of dosages are unavailable to post, but my best estimate is something like 5-10 mgs seems to be what everybody in SWIMS group considers to be the "average" sized dose needed to get someone decently high. That's usually good enough to get the people in the group who don't smoke very much satisfied. Most people who smoke daily, as far as SWIM has noticed, require at least double if not four times this amount to be in any way impressed with the substance and get really baked. SWIM and two or three of the more adventurous friends generally smoke even more than this in a sitting.......
SWIM one sunny day, did up a whole bunch of piracetam and aniracetam, got kinda drunk (swim drank fairly heavily on a daily basis at the time), and got some jwh 018 (the stronger batch) as he had not partaken in any in a week or two and wanted to try the new batch. after getting buzzed on a small-average dose, SWIM put it away and hung out for an hour or so, then went and did a significantly larger dose, then hung out for an hour or so, and then he decided to try a little experiment on himself (which he later admitted the stupidity of, but does not regret). SWIM set out to- no joke- overdose - not to a lethal degree (he hoped), but in attempt to replicate the, severely hallucinagenic panic attacks and shortness of breath effect he'd read so much about in hopes he could control it, roll with it, and in effect have an intense trip, and to begin establishing the safety of high dose jwh consumption on humans. Interestingly enough, marijuana at high doses tends to induce panic attacks in swim, however he smokes large doses of marijuana daily anyway (more than anyone else in his group), either drinking or coping with them, and from everything he'd found with his previous trials, this strategy worked fine to alleviate jwh anxiety.......
so into the foil spoon a went a large dose of the white powder and it was inhaled
followed by another large dose
followed by another large dose.
a break was taken to eyeball normal doses for other people who wanted to get high.. and in the 10 or 15 minutes this took....SWIM was really baked, beginning to have the peripheral visuals that signified a threshold "trippy" dose
So back to the foil SWIM went, vaping yet another large dose within a half hour of the first large dose.... this probably totaled somewhere between 40 and 70 mgs of jwh vaped within that hour......
But he wasn't done yet....
placing a small amount of good herb over the whole in his pipe, then simply pouring a little hill of jwh on top which amounted to at least the total amount he had smoked put together (another 50 or so mgs) and then covering the hill of jwh with more herb so it would protect the fragile powder from flame, he loaded yet another bowl.
this was smoked so that the flame never touched the herb, and the herb slowly heated and eventually began to glow and slowly heat the jwh underneath. SWIM said each hit tasted like JWH. SWIMs roommate was talking to him, waiting for swim to finish so that he could use the pipe...
Somewhere at the end of the bowl time slowed down to a crawl and intense visuals overtook swim so quickly that he had to slowly put the pipe down, incapable of smoking anymore. SWIM described closed eye visuals as the most vivid he'd had on anything but LSD. Time was so distorted that SWIM could not tell how much time had elapsed in between the words of sentences he was speaking. The anxiety which he had become familiar with began to hit him...but he kept getting higher at such an alarming rat that he was unable to calm it......anxiety turned to panic..... Wondering if he had accidentally pushed JWH 018 too far, SWIM wandered around his apartment tripping balls and asking people who were staying with him to take his pulse.....most of these kids were far to fucked up on mushrooms and/or alcohol/jwh to accurately take a pulse (at least in the eyes of SWIM) and the one kid who tried came out with 35 bpm.... which SWIM asserted should have made him dead or at least unconscious, not panic stricken.... but he wasn't sure....time was playing tricks on him after all.... SWIM decided to wander out of his apt, and across the hall to a neighbors apt, embarrassing himself (thank god his neighbor is cool) and eventually getting his pulse taken accurately....78bpm.... SWIM was fine!
Armed with this new and exciting knowledge that he was, in fact, not going to die, SWIM set about his initial intention of enjoying a canabanoid based psychedelic , which he did quite successfully: having vividly textured closed eye visuals in wildly pleasing colors which engrossed him to the point that he forgot his eyes were closed while describing the wonders of the high dose jwh experience to those in the room, having an intensely pleasurable body high, having no sense of time, and other such fantastic things, until he passed out feeling wonderful on his bed.
the next day, he felt like he smoked too much pot the day before, taking another decent hit from the rest of the jwh bowl from the previous night cleared his head for the morning (hair of the dog...) and he decided to use most of the rest of his jwh stash to show the drug to friends who were interested, taking a break and saving only enough for 2 or three more very heavy doses once his tolerance dropped, because he decided that for daily getting high effects he prefers good old fashioned weed (jwh is too mind slowing to make it an effective day starter), but JWH may actually be what he's always been looking for in a psychedelic - short acting, potent, cannabis-like, sedating, visual, euphoric, reminiscent of LSD, no mind-warping after effects, and best of all YOU CAN GO TO SLEEP ON IT!
So a week passed and another large dose was smoked, not quite as large as the total dose from the aforementioned trip, but about as much as was in that massive final bowl- smoked it the same way (sandwiched in between pot) because he discovered it was easier to consume very large doses this way, and plus he wanted to add the jwh residue to the resin in what had been strictly a hash pipe (those resin hits are friggin killer btw)... he found himself rolling around on the bed like a cat, unable to form sentences for a few minutes but in a pleasurable way, with decent CEVs... not quite as high as the last trip, but the anxiety still became a bit troublsome (although he knew he was in no danger), drinking a beer or two brought him right back to enjoying himself and he climbed back into bed and fell asleep happy and had awesome dreams.
Smoking a slightly smaller dose the next day in the middle of the day, he found him self less high than the night before, but way way way more sedated..... no anxiety at all, and he could communicate fine, but for two hours he lay on the bed, awake but too high to move or care about moving... until he sat up to smoke pot with two pretty girls who came over.....
So my final words on all this are that I seriously with all my heart believe that it's impossible to die by smoking jwh018 for several reasons, the simplest of which is that smoking it would get you too high to keep smoking enough to die... SWIM pretty much tried. But in all honesty, I can't actually prove this.
Also, all of the Overdose reports involve things like racing heart rate while the theoretical way a person would die from this would be from respiratory or cardiac suppression.... which seems to be the opposite of the perceived effects... taking this into account, all of the reports where people end up in the hospital sound almost exactly like your run of the mill pot freak out, only more intense...more like someone who ate too much ganja-food
The source of most peoples paranoia on these trips, including SWIM, seems to be the untested nature of the drug, a feeling that it could kill them or have some untold effect, all of which are generally really legit concerns when dealing with RCs. It would be great to have some more actual tests on this stuffs effects so people wont be so in the dark. If people knew this was something like THC or LSD where overdose was not a concern, only mental discomfort, then people like SWIM could drink a few beers, or pop a benzo, smoke a big ole pile of JWH, and trip face worry free (the way a trip should be).
A final word on eyeballing: I seriously feel like it's ok as long as you start ludicrously small for everyone's first dose... its not like its crystalline LSD, the threshold dose is definitely visible to the human eye, and in fact it's possible to eyeball too little, so by starting small, the worst thing you risk is getting a little too high the first time you try it, once you learn your dose, experimentation with raising it within reason seems for the most part safe, with the worst possible effects being a panic attack (at least until you start to get into the really high doses that swim took...) In the case of these super-high psychedelic doses... I would really love to see some data on just how much is safe, or at least some reports of fellow JWH users pushing the limits and enjoying it.
Remember- like all drugs (especially psychedelic ones) dose varies from person to person, and this seems to be especially true with this substance so always start small.
P.S.
Does anybody else thinks that the texture/feel of the smoke is reminiscent of butane thc extractions..... even noticed that it can leave a stain on peoples teeth if they vape too much pure in one hit just like honey-oil