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Frumious Bandersnatch
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Definitely horrible what they are doing to chronic pain patients its inhumane. Kratom I don’t feel it. But my opiod tolerance is very high. Switching back and forth between the two is easy and it gives me peace of mind. I find I have to take the kratom every three hours though or I start to get the aches. I got a bunch of red and green powdered strains and one blend that was specifically for trigmeinal neuralgia which is the chronic pain I suffer from. I think getting comfortable with kratom is good for any pain patient becuase of the way they jerk us around. it’s like a safety net.
but obviously not worth doing if I'd be in the same dose or worse. Cos its just as bad for them to give u the painkiller u need, but not give u a high enough dose which can actually make pain worse. So is maybe worse than not having it at all or just as bad cos its a tease. My nan got the same problem as u with diazepam. She was on lorazepam for like 50 years, then they without warning took her off n replaced her with 10mg of diazepam. Even though she was only on 1 mg of lorazepam which is meant to be the equivalent of 10mg of diazepam, but yeah ur right it's not the same is it. And with the length of her lorazepam use, n then taking her off at almost 80 years old, just cos the government did some new law on benzos, but 10mg diaze wasn't doing it so they upped her to 15 then 20mg n she was still having withdrawal. So my mum kicked off n they put her back on the 1mg of lorazepam. But they got her off eventually a few months ago, almost like they'd been waiting for an opportunity. She got pancreatitis n had to go into hostital for it n they were only giving her something stupid like 6mg of diazepam a day for alcohol wds cos of her age n dementia. N when they released her she was still going through the shakes n stuff, n she fell n broke her hip. Then when in hospital for the hip surgery, they took her off them cos they said she couldn't do her physiotherapy if she was on them, witch I knows a lie cos how can u do physio when ur in withdrawal?!! But they released her n she carried on getting prescribed them but my mums too scared to give em to her cos my mum doesn't understand addiction even though she is sort of an alcoholic she was more a binge drinker so she think most addiction is psychological. When I last saw my nan she was asking me for some of my beer cos she's literally saying she's so bored n she doesn't get anything anymore. I feel so bad, cos she probs only has a few years left so why not just give em to her. But my mum doesn't understand cos she's never been physically addicted to anything, just psychological addictions, so her view is she's off em now so why go back on them. Yeah, people who don't fully understand, especially the doctors who are meant to, they should just leave stuff how it is, unless the person wants to get off or reduce it on their own decision. If its forced, then it's just gonna push people into worse addictions. Seriously, I know it's horrible, n I feel terrible for u cos I know what it's like wding n not being able to do anything about it. I can get heroin easy enough, my dad's got a few numbers or on the occasions he can't get through to anyone, he just knocks on the neighbours or calls a mate n they drive him a couple towns closer to London n then he can get something. Its just the fact of digging to get a vein n having to be careful not to miss, which when I do means giving it a couple weeks rest to heal, just to keep the vein. Cos I'm fed up of not being able to get properly high 19 times out of 20 n only get high that one time outta 20 when I go all day on a fraction of my usual dose of methadone, so have to feel terrible all day n then use a ridiculous amount of gear just to get mildly high n mild pain relief. I'd rather try n wait till I can switch to buprenorphine n let my veins rest for it but it's gonna take months to get down low enough to transition, n Im not sure I'll be able to hold out that long. Yeah not good. I feel bad for u tho, not being able to scores so frustrating. I heard its like between 100 and 200 dollars for one 80 oxy or like 50 for a 30 or 50 mg perc. N the blue n yellow percs, most aren't even real percs. They're actually made in illegal labs and are actually fentanyl which is 100 times stronger than morphine, n methamphetamine to stop u oding. Yeah so be careful if u get cheap percs offered to u, especially the blue n yellows. I can't believe the price in the US for oxy tho. That's terrible. I've only ever bought them twice in my life, n didn't get too much off them cos was drunk, n used earlier that day, n had my meth script too as I was on daily supervised at time. But I swear I didn't pay that much for them, yeah cos the first time I was wasted but I remember saying to the guy I could buy a gram for the same price so could have only been 40 or 50£. If I'd thought about it I would not taken them the days I bought them, I would have saved them for a day when I'd had nothing. U probably could by gear, but there's the usual risk, going to dodgy n dangerous areas, dealing with dodgy people, making sure yoy don't get ripped off, having to sort someone money or some drugs if u get a user to score for u, and then standing there wondering if theyre coming back, n then getting somewhere or home to use without being stopped by police n searched. And then if u haven't injected in a few years, u might have problems or miss the first time or two, especially if you're nervous or anxiety makes ur hands shake. I know u can always snort, or smoke it if its the right type, or even go in a muscle, but I know what it's like, u want the instant gratification u know. Amphetamines can help. Like, don't get crystal meth. That's just a labotomy in drug form lolz. But if u can get, like speed, sulfate, or adderall, even ritalin n Concerta can help with muscle pain n lack of energy. The only other thing is buying buprenorphine off the street. Methadone off the streets not worth it, cos people can water down the liquid to make more money, but it does work well for a month or two but then the dose needs to up, that's why it's bad as a pain killer. Few months relief then gone n u gotta increase dose n make the habit worse. But buprenorphine works well. At low doses u can use on top and it won't block oxy or heroin, but never start taking it until ur in full withdrawal or u can go into very bad instant withdrawal cos if there's any opiate in your brain or blood, it strips it out of u so quick u go intothe worse wds ever n can't get any relief for about 24 hours. The best way to take it is snort it, very rushy n strong euphoria if never done it before, but I heard some states stopped doing the tablets like we get here, cos people were injecting n snorting crushed tabs so they made it into a paper tab/wafer thing, but it can be cut into smaller doses. Oh n if u were to find some, u can't swallow them. If u did take by mouth it doesn't dissolve by stomach. So u can't swallow u have to let it dissolve under your tongue. Oh n I heard the fda banned subutex, which is just buprenorphine on its own, n now in most states its just suboxone, buprenorphine n naloxone or naltrexone. Made so u can't inject or snort it, have to take by mouth, n u have to take only one dose a day, cos the naloxone or trexone sits in system all day n if u try n take other opiates or extra dose, then if ur lucky it will just block it n maybe make u feel funny. But there's a good chance of instant withdrawal. Oh, that reminds me, are u able to get prescribed the extended release oxy? I know they're meant to be rubbish compared to instant but u can just crunch through the coating with teeth or crush it with something before u eat to kick it in quicker. Or, n I know u probs won't want these cos I don't think I would, but the oxys with naloxone or naltrexone, just like suboxone so u can't snort or inject u can only take one lot a day, like extended release. So u have to take more than ur dose at the same time cos its made so u can't take more than one dose a day, n can't use anything else on top. Crap I know but, you got more chance of getting prescribed cos it looks like u don't wanna misuse em