furryfreek
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If 3F-PM has a remotely comparable LD50 (I guess, that Phenmetrazine itself is superior as a functional stim by a huge margin compared to the racemic 3F-PM, if the anecdotes are true), then it must have one of the lowest therapeutic indices of all stims. Then it would not only suck in vivo for me, but also on paper :D
Have you tried it, Ziiirp? As a functional stimulant it seems pretty good to me: few side effects, no comedown and it provides a pleasant level of stimulation at a range of doses (It's never made me feel jittery, over-stimulated or paranoid like other stims have a habit of doing to me, though I haven't pushed the dosage that far or used it for long periods). It's just a shame that the residual stimulation lasts so long but then that issue seems to be shared by plenty of other stims and is easily sorted with a little etizolam in any case. It doesn't seem so worthy of abuse as the parent compound, though that's not to say it's any less abusable (i.e. it's pretty morish and despite not being that "fun" some people could easily end up binging on this for weeks without eating or sleeping properly.) So I wouldn't say it's therapeutic index is considerably worse than that of the parent compound, at least not when used as a functional stim, but with regard to recreational (ab)use the risk:reward ratio is certainly worse, IMO.
I've been pushing the dosage a bit more today. I started the day with 40mg and re-dosed 20mg twice, each dose taken orally about 2-3 hours apart. The effects of my initial 40mg dose were about as strong as expected, possibly a bit less, though I only had about 5 hours sleep beforehand. Both of the 20mg re-doses were enough to extend and even slightly boost effects of the initial dose. Side effects were also increased compared to my earlier trials but still pretty insignificant (just felt a bit chilly at times and little sweatier than normal). This could be largely down to set/setting as I've only tried 3-FPM while alone at home in a state of mild boredom, but it seems to provide a less focused sort of stimulation compared to other stimulants I'm well acquainted with (only caffeine and some of the more stimulating kratom strains, really.) Although more alert and motivated to do stuff, I seem to have a lower attention span and get easily distracted while on 3-FPM, but like I say, maybe if I was at work and actually had a shit load of stuff to do or was in a more social setting that might not be an issue.
Although 3-FPM doesn't seem to do anything for music appreciation, I had a great time jamming and playing music while on it today. I can sort of see why the Beatles allegedly used the parent compound now as 3-F definitely seems to help get the creative juices flowing in a subtle sort of way.. It just seems to be the right sort of head-space to get properly into the music in a focused and attentive way, but without having to actually concentrate on any one thing in particular. For those of you who don't play much music or improvise, the ability to sort of zone out and not really think about anything while playing is pretty essential for improvising well or composing new music. Now, there are plenty of drugs (namely weed and psychedelics) that help one get into that sort of meditative state when playing music but they all lack the attentiveness that 3-FPM brings with it and/or have other disadvantages. I mean, although psychedelics can be the best source of inspiration any musician could want, the majority of the time they're more of a hindrance than anything when it comes to actually playing music, even if music appreciation is greatly enhanced. If you haven't got too much of a tolerance weed's great too but the problem with improvising while stoned is that, yeah, you can come out with a load of new cool riffs and stuff.. but by the time you've finished a tune you only remember like 1% of what you played. So basically, all of the drugs that normally help me play music are only really good for spur-of-the-moment jamming and don't really do much benefit in the long term; whereas I could really see 3-FPM helping to learn and create new material and actually retain it. I'm not too sure whether there's anything particularly special about 3-FPM itself when it comes to musical creativity, though. I reckon other stims, particularly those that also have an appreciable affect on serotonin, could be just as good or even better help for playing music. I don't really know though because until recently, I've been pretty wary of amphetamines, phenethylamines and stimulants in general, mostly because my first experiences with such chemicals were with dirty base amphetamine, ecstasy pills and coke which were cut with fuck knows what and all of which, except a few of the pills, made me feel rough as a dog and put me off stimulants for ages. Now that I've regained some confidence thanks to 3-FPM (along with a few stimulating psychedelics) and know that not all stimulants will necessarily turn me into a jittery, paranoid wreck I'll probably start experimenting with them a bit more.
EDIT: Now, at T+16, at least 10 since my last re-dose and after a beer, a shot or two of scotch and 1.5mg etizolam about two hours ago in preparation for sleepy time, I'm still pretty awake. It seems that benzo's aren't nearly as effective at clearing 3-FMA's residual stimulation when taken in larger doses and/or later in the day. Just .5mg of etizolam was plenty to get me a decent nights sleep after taking up to 30mg 3-FPM soon after waking with no more re-dosing throughout the day but this time, even after taking thrice that amount of etizolam to compensate for the higher 3-FPM usage today, I'm definitely still not ready for sleep. I won't deny that I'm having a pretty good time, though. Normally unless I take it while tripping, etizolam knocks me out pretty quickly, so I don't often get the chance to stay awake and fully appreciate its effects for long and because I rarely drink, that one beer has got me nicely tipsy. There also seems to be a bit of synergy between the lingering effects of the 3-FMA, etizolam and alcohol. It's like having all the effects of the alcohol and etizolam, minus any sedation, combined with what's remaining of the the elevated mood and creativity from the 3-FPM. I wouldn't say there's any sort of potentiation going on, but the combined effects do seem to go very well together, sort of reinforcing one another.
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