RCs 3F-Phenmetrazine (3-FPM)

[Sprout]

Human beings and their subjective interpretations of a psychotropic's MOA at specific receptors based upon how they 'feel' is hardly scientifically valid, though.

Would be interesting to see more studies, either way.

 

[nickfurry]

(because if it was doctor-diagnosed you would have a legitimate Adderall prescription.)

That varies very much depending on where you live...

I would go to the doctor and tell them the truth regarding your possible ADD/concentration issues. You literally have nothing to lose right?

You could lose the possibility of ever being taken seriously again if you seek treatment for anything, as you've been labeled a drug seeking junkie. Besides, they could always tip off the police.

 

[LeeviON]

Okay.. this will get very more-ish and even addictive in the long run. Symptoms mainly include craving & chills among others.

 

[Ziiirp]

Perhaps the chills belong to the after effects ?

 

[Lady Codone]

People who are getting nasty side effects: what doses and ROA are you using? Are you combining 3f-phen with other substances? Just trying to nail down which symptoms are caused by the drug vs. other factors.

Low oral doses of 25-30 mg per day have done me right so far.

 

[bjznoviskey]

Not too thrilled considering all the hype. Average stimulant lacking anorectic properties is nice but I have enough energy on my own. If I do a stimulant I wanna be kicked in the face with euphoria.... Or at least get something resembling a rush. It'd be good if your dragging ass at work or feeling sluggish but not much more.

My doses got up 70mg insufflated. No problems falling asleep, no after effects felt the next day, currently with a minimal stim tolerance if any.

 

[furryfreek]

Doses upwards of 100mg over the course of a day (probably little more than 70mg actually in my body at any given time) are enough to give me very mild rebound effects about 24 hours later. Nothing major, just a bit of the chills and a slightly depressed mood. In terms of side effects, I get excessively sweaty and notice the cold less, even at low (20-40mg) doses. Higher doses increase those side effects pretty much linearly and also result in a bit of a "pilly willy" and a slight laxative effect.

 

[Sir Ron Pib]

So I am confused, where are people putting the oral dose range at? I have read the whole thread and others - seems everyone is desperate to stuff it up their noses for some reason - a couple of post say inactive at 100mg oral and then it seems other are claiming it orally active at 30/40/50mg. is there any consensus at all? Or are the high dosers stim freaks? Generally I don't use stims a lot and don't require especially high dose but after all this I feel none the wiser. Where roughly would most start off?

 

[furryfreek]

I don't know why everyone's so keen on putting the stuff up their nostrils; oral is a perfectly adequate ROA as far as I can tell. 20mg is noticeable but not very strong (like a weak-average cup of coffee). For me, 40-50mg seems to be a good starting point for functional stimulation. This is coming from someone with no tolerance and if anything a greater than average sensitivity to stimulating effects. I think the reports of considerably higher doses must be people with higher tolerance and/or trying to push the dose in an attempt to elicit euphoric effects.

EDIT: on some other forums I've been keeping an eye on, the over-all consensus seems to point to a higher average dosage (~100mg) than here, but there also seem to be a greater proportion reports mentioning adverse effects, so it's probably best not to push the dosage/frequency of use too far, at least not until we know a lot more about the long-term consequences.

 

[ex[ALT]]

definitely the best RC stim out there, one of my fave stims all round. the effects are quite minimal (slight euphoria, nice stimulation) but so are the side effects, even on bigger doses i felt no change in HR, basically no comedown, doesnt turn you in to a fiend unlike ethylphenidate.


i have tried it at party in combo with MDMA, MXE, ketamine, 2cb, alcohol, weed and Valium with no negative effects.

everyone i have given it to has really enjoyed it.

will certainly be experimenting more with this...

 

[Lady Codone]

So I am confused, where are people putting the oral dose range at? I have read the whole thread and others - seems everyone is desperate to stuff it up their noses for some reason - a couple of post say inactive at 100mg oral and then it seems other are claiming it orally active at 30/40/50mg. is there any consensus at all? Or are the high dosers stim freaks? Generally I don't use stims a lot and don't require especially high dose but after all this I feel none the wiser. Where roughly would most start off?

I've seen more nasal/IV reports than oral, but oral admin definitely works. Start in the 25-35 mg dose range if you have no stim tolerance. You can always take more but you can't take less. I've been using 30-35 mg total per day in divided doses. Gets me more tweaked than an equivalent dose of 2-FA.

People really dove headfirst into abusing this chem...you're not imagining it. It definitely has some more-ish qualities.

 

[crOOk]

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...ore-like-Stone-ulant!?p=12841976#post12841976

IV report.

 

[uncle_bud]

3F-Phenmetrazine (waiting GC/MS confirmation, but effects matched online reports)

Marquis:

Mandelin:

Mecke:

 

[crOOk]

Ok I really watched osmolarity when injecting this and it went in very slowly each time. i hit every vein with my first try and put enough pressure on them afterwards. still, not only the injection site is hurting like a motherfucker, but the pain creeps up those veins for ~5cm. I honestly dont think its a good idea to put this caustic shit up your veins. it might just be thrombophlebitis, since one vessel in particular feels really hard and swollen, but the pain along the veins' path during injection was remarkable to say the least, so id assume they have simply been damaged by the chemical.
then again, i suppose injecting doses of 250mg per shot could play a part. my tolerance is just so damn high due to the bupropion. i can slam over a gram of pure amphetamine phosphate within a single session (round bout 24h), its fucking awful.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

The gf and I have been vaping 3fpm every other weekend since November and my biggest complaint is that although it makes me insatiably horny, I find it impossible to get or sustain an erection. So last night I decided to try some Viagra with the 3fpm. I know it's not generally advised to mix stims and Viagra, so I only took a quarter of a 100mg tablet. It kicked in within half an hour and I was a stiff as a board for about 3 hours. When it wore off i redosed another quarter, which set us up for another 3 hours. No negative effects noted from the combo.

 

[crOOk]

By the way this stuff is so harsh to our tissue that I don't even know what to do with it other than shooting it. When my last needle was gone I had it lying before me, unwilling to eat it on an empty stomach, snort it due to the plan nastiness of it and the associated pain and my colon started bleeding after rectal use. It might not be apparent now with people doing 20-50mg, but once they have developed a tolerance I am afraid they will be doing north of 200mg in a single dose. I used 300 orally and it wasn't worth writing home about... I don't even want to know what it does to the lungs and would strongly disadvice anyone to smoke it. Depending on how regularly one is planning to use it, intranasal use sounds like a really bad idea too, unless you can live without a sense of smell, a perma-dry nose and a hole in your septum (I've seen several of those, they exist).

Btw my motor skills were completely fucked the days after, losing balance all the time if I didn't watch out. That was a bit concerning.

 

[cousinskeeter]

The gf and I have been vaping 3fpm every other weekend since November and my biggest complaint is that although it makes me insatiably horny, I find it impossible to get or sustain an erection. So last night I decided to try some Viagra with the 3fpm. I know it's not generally advised to mix stims and Viagra, so I only took a quarter of a 100mg tablet. It kicked in within half an hour and I was a stiff as a board for about 3 hours. When it wore off i redosed another quarter, which set us up for another 3 hours. No negative effects noted from the combo.

First let me say: that sounds epic. Like crazy epic. How was the orgasm compared to orgasms on other stims?

Now.. Im not judging, just lookin' out for you here.
Just because I care about you that may end up badly. So this is from the contraindications section of wiki for Viagra (sildenafil):

• n men for whom sexual intercourse is inadvisable due to cardiovascular risk factors
• Severe hepatic impairment (decreased liver function)
• Severe impairment in renal function
• Hypotension (low blood pressure)
• Recent stroke or heart attack

A few don't apply, but even the heart related one definitely apply. Your blood pressure obviously isn't going to be low while you're ON the 3F-P, but if you withdraw from it, while the viagra is still in your system, that [may] be an issue. Drugs' affect on the kidneys varies from chem to chem, but most kidney-related chems I have done were stimulants.

inadvisable due to cardiovascular risk factors

Thats probably the biggest worry.

Honestly, Im jealous about your sex session. I needed a good one of those recently and it fell through. And I hate it as much as the next guy when a stim turns out NOT to get your erect.

Just try not to make a habit of Viagra + 3F-P. It would probably be safer to just go with a different chem, 2FA, 2FMA etc... hell if you guys are going at it like that, might as well get a little aPVP or aPHP doesn't seem like it would make the situation worse, then you wouldn't be worrying about the Penis version of a speedball.

Not saying dont do it again, not at all. But try not to make a habit out of it. 3f-P has no scientific data on it really, so who knows exactly what it's doing. But we all like to get FUBAR, so I'm not judging in the least. I would have probably done the same...... and not stopped. Hopefully someone smarter than me can correct me, show me Im wrong, agree with me, tell me I'm a dumbass, send me pictures of osama bin laden. By no means am I a doctor.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Thanks for the concern man. I realise it's risky behaviour (especially as I'm 50 with a long history of stim and opiate use - as well as a smoker and drinker - that's why I dosed low. Bit it was well worth the risk ;-). 3fpm vaped instantly turns us into raging sex beasts - which is bloody frustrating if you can't get it up. But to answer your question, my first orgasm was incredible - not shot so far or so much since my 20s. My second one of the night was not as intense, but still loads better than my usual standard.

Edit: just realised you asked how the orgasm compared to other stims. It wad significantly better, but this was the first time I've thrown Viagra into the mix. Incidentally, it also served to minimise the awful vasoconstriction 3fpm causes.

 

[crOOk]

Drugs shich contain a fluoRINE molecule are not a concern, excessive amounts of fluorides are a health concern, albeit an almost neglible one since fluorine toxicity is very rare. We won't die when we don't take any Fluorides, but they are still beneficial to our health.

FluoriDEs are salts of Fluorine. Salts have a positively and a negatively charged molecule which are not (covalently) bound to each other, they are just attracted to each other. However they're unleashed onto the body when they are consumed.

But even those fluorides, like I said, are NOT of any concern in the amounts we consume them. You are not supposed to eat your tooth paste. People who are telling you tooth paste is poison are ignorant fucking morons, paranoid conspiracy theorists who want to believe we are being fucked from behind by the gouvernment and the industry. That might even be true in some cases, but Fluoride salts are not one of them.

 

[crOOk]

Btw I should mention that I have acquired a big fat blood clot after a single injection into a major vein. 200nm filtered, fresh sterile 27G needle, hit it with the first attempt and did not have any drug end up in the extravasal connective tissue.