RCs 3F-Phenmetrazine (3-FPM)

[XEM]

Thanks for the info, Ziiirp. Definitely not planning to use it regularly, just a couple times to break up the 2-FA monotony Hell, I may even wait a few more months to let some trip reports pile up before trying it. Just don't want to bother with something that feels jittery like caffeine or makes my heart pound like MDPV. What a nightmare :O

I'm taking from your post here that you consider 2-fa to be significantly less risky for "regular use" (what do you mean by that?)? Is this the general consensus (haven't gotten around to doing the research yet, I'm just curious)? I've read through a few threads and recall some concerns regarding toxicity of halogenated amphetamines which a bit worrisome.

Also, don't mean to get this thread off topic, just meant to make a quick inquiry.

 

[kingqueen1]

I do remember a time when i was doing mxe on a basic from morning to night, quite chill dose though and with my tolerance i could go swimming and do everything even more, at that time when i was taking just a little of eph, it was touching me so bad, like if i took more than 20mg i'll crush right away after the effects, it went like this a for atime, my solution was to take 5mg of eph and was working good at least no much crazy bad side effects, however i did abuse mpa and amp for a while, now it for sure dont hit me as it was, been using mxe this year a little, 1gram of 3-meo-pcp, and methoxphenidine these time when i have no other dissoc, start to like that one though weirdly compare to what i thought at first, anyways not the topic here for that. Welcome to heard about people who used dissoc or ndma drug related and amph. I wonder is there people used 3-fpm regularly since some time and how you are feeling now, i kind a took a break of it this week did a couple of time, was nice cannot say much didnt do more than 30mg, and didthis morning a little line with my cofee after an acid yesterday, a couple of hour of sleep, it feel top of the world :=) Have a blasting inbetween Christmas and new Eve :*

 

[LeeviON]

I'm taking from your post here that you consider 2-fa to be significantly less risky for "regular use" (what do you mean by that?)? Is this the general consensus (haven't gotten around to doing the research yet, I'm just curious)? I've read through a few threads and recall some concerns regarding toxicity of halogenated amphetamines which a bit worrisome.

Also, don't mean to get this thread off topic, just meant to make a quick inquiry.

I'd guess Lady Codone meant that 3-FPM is a decent stimulant to take a break from 2-FA with.
If I'm not mistaken, you are correct in that many halogenated amphetamines (especially para-fluoroamphetamine) are cardiotoxic and/or neurotoxic. While 3-FPM is technically an amphetamine, its metabolism etc. is so different from the simple halogenated amps that it doesn't necessarily have those adverse effects. Don't take my word for it, though.
There is absolutely no information available on the substance's effects on the human body, so there is no way to know.

 

[XEM]

I'd guess Lady Codone meant that 3-FPM is a decent stimulant to take a break from 2-FA with.
If I'm not mistaken, you are correct in that many halogenated amphetamines (especially para-fluoroamphetamine) are cardiotoxic and/or neurotoxic. While 3-FPM is technically an amphetamine, its metabolism etc. is so different from the simple halogenated amps that it doesn't necessarily have those adverse effects. Don't take my word for it, though.
There is absolutely no information available on the substance's effects on the human body, so there is no way to know.

Well, he implied that he uses 2-FA regularly, and was saying "don't worry", I'm not going to use this one regularly. So I'm wondering what it is about 2-FA that makes it less risky than 3-FP, that's all.

 

[Ziiirp]

Wow. How anyone on earth could deny the simple fact, that a history of >3.5 years of (ab)use without fatalities or alarming reports vs. a history of ~2 months of ab(use) makes taking a compound less risky vs. the other goes well beyond my comprehension. Both substances are halogenated btw. so what is the point, anyway ?

And how anyone could assume, that a user, that calls herself "Lady Codone" should be male ... okay enough of that.

 

[XEM]

A history of >3.5 years of (ab)use without fatalities or alarming reports vs. a history of ~2 months of ab(use) makes taking a compound less risky vs. the other. Both substances are halogenated btw.

I guess that answers my question. I'll ignore the rest. Thanks

EDIT: Though, maybe I wasn't completely clear. I'm thinking in terms of toxicity (neurotoxicity, cardiotoxicity, etc.) and long-term damage being done, and not in terms of freak accidents and fatalities, though these I guess are their own set of risks. Unless there is evidence to suggest that 2-FA is not significantly toxic (maybe there is, I don't know, I at least came across something suggesting that 4-FA is relatively non-toxic compared to MDMA), then it's no more or less risky (from this limited point of view) than 3-FPM.

And I have no idea whether or not a few years of "ab(use)" suggests anything about neurotoxicity, or how and when something like this would become evident if not through formal study.

 

[Ziiirp]

You are correct. There weren't any empirical studies involving in vivo tests with humans for neither of the mentioned compounds. There were studies, where they tested halogenated amphetamines on primates, though, with no acute toxicity being observed. It would be mischievous to assume, that taking 2-FA daily is completely safe. Nevertheless the empirical evidence (if you can call anecdotal reports that) implies, that taking 2-FA at that point of spacetime is safer than taking 3-FPM. Pharmacological hypotheses concerning the neuro/cardiotoxicity of a compound mean nothing without empiric evidence (in my view).

End of story : You should not take either of them, if you have access to researched stimulants. If only because they suck in comparison (imho)

 

[InterestingFACT]

I guess that answers my question. I'll ignore the rest. Thanks

EDIT: Though, maybe I wasn't completely clear. I'm thinking in terms of toxicity (neurotoxicity, cardiotoxicity, etc.) and long-term damage being done, and not in terms of freak accidents and fatalities, though these I guess are their own set of risks. Unless there is evidence to suggest that 2-FA is not significantly toxic (maybe there is, I don't know, I at least came across something suggesting that 4-FA is relatively non-toxic compared to MDMA), then it's no more or less risky (from this limited point of view) than 3-FPM.

And I have no idea whether or not a few years of "ab(use)" suggests anything about neurotoxicity, or how and when something like this would become evident if not through formal study.

We have (limited and anecdotal) evidence that 2-fma is significantly cardiotoxic. Suggested mechanisms of this cardiotoxicity include 5ht2b agonism and high-lipophilicity (read: enduring) metabolites. I would not assume that the absence of a simple methyl moiety saves 2-fa from sharing this risk.

That being said, in my experience, 2-fa feels less toxic than 2fma (ie. No lingering vasoconstriction or residual stimulation) which may explain why people never seem to question its safety profile.

All this is fairly moot, however, because 3fpm probably has just as great a likelihood of causing issues as 2-fma. And for the very same reasons. We already have reports of lingering stimulation which seems qualitatively different from initial effects, which could be indicative of enduring metabolites. It also contains a fluoro group, probably increasing lipophilicity of the chemical and it's metabolites. And it looks even more similar to fenfluramine than do 2-fma or 3-fa.

 

[Ziiirp]

Word is born. Now we roll.

 

[Dbcjsh25]

I ordered 1 gram of 3f phenmetrazine. It was split between 3 of us. This is my new favorite stim. I prefer it to coke, amphetamines, ANYTHING! It gives euphoria, energy, and motivation without ANY anxiety, jitters, or paranoia. It is the smoothest, cleanest, easiest high I have ever experienced. This will be my #1 fave functional and recreational stim as long as it's available. Oh, there is absolutely NO feinding or compulsion at all. You can do a line and not even think of another one until you're ready for one. It's like coke without the fiend! What more could you ask for? I have found my new favorite stim. This shit is amazing.

 

[Sprout]

Snorting 3-FPM puts dry EPD to shame!
I don't know how you guys do it, oral was much better, as was vaped but that's to be expected.

 

[LeeviON]

Is there danger in combining this with methoxphenidine (MXP, 2-MeO-diphenidine)?

 

[Ziiirp]

I wouldn't try it, as I find the after effects of MXP very stimulating. Even moreso than the main effects of 3-FPM itself

This thread is ridiculous. 50% of the people praise it, the other 50% say it sucks. The question is, which group has consumed the actual compound.

 

[LeeviON]

Thanks for the reply!

This is a curious substance to say the least. It can give you great dopaminergic euphoria, but after a few days of using it I lose interest in it, and I have no idea why. I just don't feel like doing it. Has anyone else experienced this? IMO it could be the reason for the 'fluctuating' opinions regarding this substance.

Sorry if that doesn't make any sense, the MXP is (almost 4 hours after dosing) finally starting to work, which is the reason I don't know if what I'm saying makes any sense.

I measured 22mg of 3-FPM, haven't taken it yet though (if I do, I'm gonna vape it and report later). The reason I asked was because I wanted to make sure there's no acute toxicity when combining dissociatives with stimulants.

Edit1: Decided to take the FPM (vaped), so we'll see

Edit2: Feeling great, this COULD be quite a nice combo, but way too early to tell You guys are awesome!

Edit3: Back to baseline. IME this combo was great; it gave me great euphoria, I was happy as a kid in a candy store. It did, however, take away the dissociation from the MXP.

 

[veodo]

soo what's a good initial dose for this? insulfated roa

 

[LeeviON]

@veodo:
You should insufflate one milligram as an allergy test and wait for at least an hour. After that I'd suggest starting with 15-25 milligrams, and work your way up from there.

 

[benzo_rabbit]

Has anybody had the opportunity to try 3F-Phenmetrazine as well as 4-Methyl-Phenmetrazine? I'd like to know how they compare before ordering myself one of these Phenmetrazine analogues.

 

[Sprout]

I'm sure there's a rather old ADD/NPD thread regarding relative efficiencies of most/all PM analogues.
AFAIK, 3F>4M, unlike in the FA series (3-FA vs. 4-FA).

 

[t6apb]

ive been trying the 3FPM blend "Phenzacaine" today and have to say its good, especially if your into insuffullating your stims.

the lidocaine really takes away the burn and just numbs it all up so you can do bigger doses without crying your eyes out.

not sure what the 2AI does to the equation as i never tried it on its own so cant comment on that.

i think if they just got rid of the 2ai and put more 3FPM in there it would be more substantial, ive nearly flew through a half gram in a few hours..

but overall loving 3FPM, yet to try a large oral dose, which i will try when i buy some pure again.

 

[spikeycloud]

Would it be ok if you combine 3-FPM with a lot of alcohol? We're probably going out tomorrow and I want some energy to stay up long enough. Caffeine does not do it for me. I was planning to take 50 MG oral in a gelcap and maybe a 30 MG redose. I was really doubting of talking l-Tyrsosine B6 instead but I think it won't give me enough energy. I don't Want to take 4-FA or any amphetamine because I'm on a tolerance break. Not sure how much cross tolerance 3-FPM has though.

Can anyone comment from experience?