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The Mephedrone Thread (4-mmc)

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i call bullshit, YOU CANNOT BE CHARGED IF YOU ARE NOT CAUGHT IN POSSESSION YOU FUCKING IDIOTS - UNLESS YOU ADMIT.

moreover WHAT KIND OF RETARD SENDS THIS TO THEIR OWN ADDRESS WITH THEIR OWN NAME.

fuck what do you expect you fucking idiots. anyone with any brains would know how to get around the system at least so far as to not expose yourself directly in relation to any of this shit.
 
MrIbis said:
i call bullshit, YOU CANNOT BE CHARGED IF YOU ARE NOT CAUGHT IN POSSESSION YOU FUCKING IDIOTS - UNLESS YOU ADMIT.

moreover WHAT KIND OF RETARD SENDS THIS TO THEIR OWN ADDRESS WITH THEIR OWN NAME.

fuck what do you expect you fucking idiots. anyone with any brains would know how to get around the system at least so far as to not expose yourself directly in relation to any of this shit.
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Ha.
Sorry for trying to help.
The problem was - I didnt think I NEEDED to get around the fucking system you twat. I was under the impression that the substance was not illegal in any way - however - I was very wrong.
Due to the fact that its an analogue of methcathinone, it is illegal to import.

Im not getting fucking charged with posession or trafficking you dropkick, I'm being charged for attempting to import a border control substance.
And for your information, saying "I CANT BE CHARGED BECAUSE OF THIS THAT FUCK THE PO-LEECE" is a lot harder when your staring at 14 cunts with guns outside your fucking door.

Believe whatever you fucking want bro. In fact - order 10 kilos of the shit now, if its such bullshit. Ill see you in the clink.
 
I would be a bit paranoid about now if i was a person who received this in the mail anytime in the past .
 
I have to say I think it's a little fucked up to be throwing people in jail for something that was such a grey area just months ago. I mean we've gone from not charging people for importation to throwing people in jail? Shouldn't there be some kind of public service announcement, some kind of amnesty period? You know 'yeah guys we actually don't like this shit, cut it out or we'll start punishing you?' Lives are being ruined for what, some bullshit technicality? Some absurd moralism? This isn't a new crack wave, lives aren't being ruined here, mostly it's just some kids having fun. Sure, you have to keep a standardized approach to drugs, I get that, and sure, people should have known that there would be a crack down eventually, but I just feel disgusted when I see people have their lives destroyed over something like this.

This shit is legal in most of europe, and they don't have people dying left right and centre. Mostly, life over there just goes on like normal. So what is it that justifies throwing people into jail over here? The whole basis for the drug war is that drugs are dangerous and ruin lives, but where are these lives. Where are the studies, the reports, showing how much harm this drug is doing? That justify throwing people into jail for years and putting a permanant black mark against their name that inhibits their chance at a decent future?
 
Lets try and keep it civil guys......

One thing we know is people are getting done for importing this substance in both small and large quantities. The federal police are going to make examples of numerous people in the hope that it lessens the flow into the country before it really takes off in popularity. They will be aware of the main suppliers, as well as their country of origin, and will be monitoring the mail closely. If you're willing to take the risk, now that it's out in the open, then you can't say you haven't been warned about the consequences - story or not.
 
I have to say I think it's a little fucked up to be throwing people in jail for something that was such a grey area just months ago. I mean we've gone from not charging people for importation to throwing people in jail? Shouldn't there be some kind of public service announcement, some kind of amnesty period?
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I agree it would have been nice of authorities, but it's normally not the way the law works - ignorance being no excuse, and in this case there's possibly even less reason for LE to want to announce anything - see below *. Anyway, it's up to the person/company importing to make sure local laws aren't breached, isn't it? And for anyone who thinks there should have been warnings on it's legality - there were! Right here :\ And if those didn't do it, the moment it appeared in the news the writing was on the wall.

4-methylmethcathinone was described as a controlled substance analogue here over two years ago. We had at least one qualified legal person state it was definitely covered by analogue legislation in all states (neodoves II thread). As for the poster who is now facing that charge mentioned above, it's just a pity he/she couldn't have seen those posts where this was discussed in detail.


I can't begin to count how often I've had to explain how 4-MMC is regarded as a derivative of methcathinone. Even some of who I would term our more intelligent posters refused to accept this fact - In the end I started cutting and pasting the same responses, it got that ridiculous. I guess it's another case of clouded judgment - not wanting to hear (or accept) the truth about a favourite substance. I suppose it should come as no surprise because in many instances the same responses were seen in regards to the medical warnings, even with the anecdotal accounts and discussions that followed :(


To again state the obvious, as far as analogue legislation is concerned, this is as close as it gets. Compared to methcathinone, 4-MMC only differs by a single methyl group - ring substituted at that - so it's clearly a controlled substance analogue. Interpretation of the substantially similar clause says that 4-MMC is 89% similar to methcathinone (number of similar atoms of C10H13NO compared to C11H15NO).

* So, for LE, I'd suspect in many ways this is something they've been eagerly awaiting, as prosecutors will be super confident in applying the up till now rarely used analogue clauses. These laws have not always been easy to apply, as key experts could, in many cases, argue either way - not the case for 4-MMC though. This means convictions will undoubtedly set a precedent or two which will have major bearings on any future drugs, even those that differ considerably from specifically scheduled substances. It will also likely have impact on OTC products and retailers - a good thing some of you might argue. The downside is it will also likely be a blow to HR efforts, as new drugs won't be as openly discussed and therefore new unknowns could present even greater risks to wellbeing and liberty.

Still, on a slightly brighter note, I'm reminded that there were undoubtedly some people who did heed those warnings and either ceased purchasing or didn't start, and so were saved from the current ordeal.

I've painted a harsh reality with this post, and while it might not seem like it, I don't wish to sound unsympathetic; I'm just pissed off, frustrated that we couldn't do enough or the right stuff to prevent most of this. These matters have been on my mind from the moment I first read these posts, wondering what kind of hell those charged will face. As I'm sure we all do, I only hope the courts will be lenient and accept that ignorance on these laws is widespread.
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krieegs said:
Ha.
Sorry for trying to help.
The problem was - I didnt think I NEEDED to get around the fucking system you twat. I was under the impression that the substance was not illegal in any way - however - I was very wrong.
Due to the fact that its an analogue of methcathinone, it is illegal to import.

Im not getting fucking charged with posession or trafficking you dropkick, I'm being charged for attempting to import a border control substance.
And for your information, saying "I CANT BE CHARGED BECAUSE OF THIS THAT FUCK THE PO-LEECE" is a lot harder when your staring at 14 cunts with guns outside your fucking door.

Believe whatever you fucking want bro. In fact - order 10 kilos of the shit now, if its such bullshit. Ill see you in the clink.
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Umm whats to say i haven't already done so? and got away with it? completely theoretical of course, but proves why you're a fuckwit - assumptions.

I'm well aware of why it's illegal to import, i've known for quite some time, probably alot longer than you have. You're a fool - and thats a fact. Just because cops had guns (which they always do) doesn't mean you can be charged with anything. Had you have had any smarts you'd have played the game smart, and not made any risky attempts, like ordering a kilo of a border controlled substance (or any powdered drug for that matter) to your doorstep ya twit.

Won't be seeing the likes of me in jail with fools. Smart people hire guys like you to do their dirty work ;)

Oh moreover, i clearly stated - you cant be charged for importing something - if you never receive it. And there is no evidence that you, in the flesh - imported it. Whats to stop this from being circumstancial evidence at best? someone trying to frame you? Didn't think did ya? Figured maybe you'd know what this was about if your parents were raided 4 hours previous. And you'd know to DENY DENY DENY. I posted this in another thread - innocent until proven guilty, or until you admit that guilt. Jesus. Isn't it obvious? Glad to know i've got more brains than your average joe around here. Why the hell wouldn't you just say "I don't know what you're talking about"... they reply "we need you to answer some questions"... go in for interview.. "no comment, no comment, no comment". Wow. i'm sure the evidence they picked up there will hold up in court.

It's not like they were going to shoot you with those big scary firearms... If you've never been through a police raid before, i suggest you get to know the protocol around how these things occur, and brace up if you might be expecting something like this to occur. The amount you can cushion your fall from grace depends completely on how clued up you are in the first place (thats info for anyone considering doing this). If you were importing a kilo, theres no doubt in my mind that you intended to sell the substance, further showing your stupidity (because you probably intended to sell it as MDMA, which would be another criminal offense). And, just incase you think i am full of shit, and have no clue what you're going through, I've been through several drug related police raids, and been extremely close to some federal raids involving just what you have here - and through my advice, these people got off without any charges - yes, kilo's of 4mmc. Because they didn't break under the small amount of pressure.

Kudos to you, brainstrust 2010
 
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Interesting if fortehlolz referes to mribis's query in the LE thread.

Has anybody been chased for 1g, given that it it falls under the trafficable quantity (in most states anyway) ??
 
krieegs said:
Keep in mind - the police have a forensic technology analysis department. If there is shit on your phones or computer - regardless of whether you just formatted either or both of them 15 times because you are paranoid
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This is not really true. If you write zeros followed by 1s follows by 0s a few hundred times to the blank space on your hard drive they will not be able to recover any information on them.

Here is an example of a program that can do exactly that:
http://www.somacon.com/p253.php

Hell even if you just do a single pass to the entire drive their conventional software wont work. They will have to use one of those crazy magnetic microscopes and unless you are talking about a murder trial they would not bother to do this, its horribly slow and expensive to do.

Regarding your phone the best way to make sure that no information can be recovered off that is to fill the memory all the way up, delete everything then once again fill it up. I highly doubt they are going to open your phone up and hack the flash chips to try and recovery deleted information. However if they do, this will make it impossible to recovery anything.
 
fortehlulz hasn't replied in a long time... and from what i/we know, he is a crooked lawyer who was attempting to sway bluelighters toward his legal service - and charge them stupidly high rates. (as was the case with me). Most people assumed he was a cop, but somehow he had all the information i had provided to the lawyer he referred me to. That being a breach of privacy, it could only mean that he himself was the lawyer.
 
RE: Importing

So say the advice/warnings weren't heeded and a shipment of five grams hasn't come in for an extended period of time, the reference number has been quoted to the post and it's been caught in "processing". No letter has come and one starts shitting bricks. To compound things, the non-advice follower was getting it delivered to their workplace under their name.

What would be the advisable course of action given how things are unfolding?
 
FarQuad said:
So say the advice/warnings weren't heeded and a shipment of five grams hasn't come in for an extended period of time, the reference number has been quoted to the post and it's been caught in "processing". No letter has come and one starts shitting bricks. To compound things, the non-advice follower was getting it delivered to their workplace under their name.

What would be the advisable course of action given how things are unfolding?
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Remove all evidence and deny everything. A name and your work place isn't enough to convict you. If they find history on your computer of the order however, this is probably enough to do so.

So get cracking and clean your house.

I don't really know if this is harm prevention though, are there any repercussions to this sort of thing being posted on BL admins?
 
Also, expect the feds to rock up to either your workplace or your house. With no letter and it being held that long basically means they're coming at some stage.

I'm sure they'll find it much more enjoyable to visit your workplace than your house though.
 
@krieegs. Tough break

@mribis. Gold, glad to see some brains around melbourne :p

I just have a quick question being back on the topic of meph itself.
I had what was sold to me as a md cap on the weekend, which i assumed would be meph but that didn't bother me. I found that whilst it did exhibit md affects it also made me yawn an awful lot and at times i'd feel very ill in the stomach but then it would go away and I'd feel great, the whole thing seemed to be a cycle that spread across a few hours. My mate who I took them with thought they might have been MD and speed, but to me it didn't feel speedy just different.

Just wondering if you guys have found Meph to be consistent with feeling sick for a few minutes, then awesome, then tired, then sick again and repeated.

Let me know =D

Party safe.
 
thestudent14 said:
Just wondering if you guys have found Meph to be consistent with feeling sick for a few minutes, then awesome, then tired, then sick again and repeated.
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Sounds like pipz or some other shitty drug, def not meph, never heard of it causing nausea.
 
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