The Mephedrone Thread (4-mmc)
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I honestly find this all Mephedrone subject bit off-ish.... not my piece of cake, never tired it, not intrested, I found these short clips on the net of people gone with fairies on this "plant food" far more freaky than people on LSD, Shrooms, or MDMA/MDA etc...
I must becoming a old fart.
I must becoming a old fart.
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^ MrIbis
you would be the perfect man for this job, as you don't fit into the cliche' drug user and have plenty of information, and overall seem level headed and balanced. Take the interview Mr. Steve Cannane.
you would be the perfect man for this job, as you don't fit into the cliche' drug user and have plenty of information, and overall seem level headed and balanced. Take the interview Mr. Steve Cannane.
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MrIbis has my vote too. I'm sure phase_dancer could also contribute some helpful technical information provided he is willing to do so
Best of luck with it Steve. I'm not familiar with your past work but hopefully you'll present a balanced story - a rarity when it comes to Australian media reporting on drugs.
Legal drug mephadrone - known as meow meow or M-Cat - claims another victim, Lois Waters in North Yorkshire
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/wo...-north-yorkshire/story-e6frf7lf-1225844556337
More bad coverage
"The news of the latest death comes as Liverpool John Moores University announced it is to test effects mephedrone has on the human body using 50 volunteers.
The public health department of the university is appealing to those who already use the drug to come forward to be tested but it stressed it will not be providing the drug to volunteers."
at least we may have some more scientific evidence about this substance and its affects on people...
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I have a feeling the results of something like that would be quite enlightening.
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Hey Steve,
Firstly I would like to think you have read all the information posted in this thread, and considered all the HR out there about this drug.
Secondly I would hope, and seeing your from the ABC, that you take your time and ask yourself, why is this drug popular now? Whilst you think about that, you should consider people selling this as MDMA, the drop in MDMA quality, the mindset that if it's legal it's safe.
These are all interesting takes on this drug, and I hope you can deliver something more than 4mmc is killing our children.
Seeing that your hear on BL gives me some hope. Feel free to PM me if you would like some more insight into 4mmc, and my opinion on Australia's drug landscape and the forces that shape it.
Sykik
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He'll present a balanced informed picture guys. Steve Cannane is an amazing Australian journalist who has a history of presenting issues affecting our culture in a fair and unbiased way.
I have spoken to him over the phone, and been offered a TV interview as a result - Sykik if you'd like to do this with me, from the other side of the coin, i welcome that, as we see two different perspectives.
I'm quite happy to do media liason for bluelight in the absense of johnboy.
I'm quite happy to do media liason for bluelight in the absense of johnboy.
Also, Sykik in response, my chat with steve was quite alot more about the decline in MDMA quality and hence rise in mephedrone abuse as a result, also about the lack of precursors being an issue, and drug legislation that could be changed for the better of our community.
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Fears of new ecstasy on streets
March 27, 2010
A new drug has hit our shores and little is known of its dangers, writes Nick Ralston.
Doug had never heard of "meow meow" the first time he took up an offer from his housemate and swallowed two capsules of the drug on a Friday night last November.
An occasional ecstasy user, Doug, who declined to give his full name, took the new drug because it promised to be just as ''good and strong'' as the ''decent [ecstasy] pills'' at a fraction of the price.
The twentysomething professional who lives in Sydney's inner west said he barely slept until the Monday.
''My mate had had it a couple of times and he loved the stuff.
I was keen to put my hand up for it,'' Doug said. ''The feeling was very similar to strong [ecstasy] pills. I was flushed. I was excited. I was hyper.
"You get a bit thirsty and keen for a dance … then it gets to 11am and you're still awake.''
In the months since, Doug has taken meow meow once more but he said his friends' interest in and knowledge of the drug has grown tenfold.
Meow meow - a street name for mephedrone - was practically unheard of just 12 months ago, but its use is on the rise.
The name meow meow originates from m-Cat, an abbreviation of the substance's full chemical name 4-Methylmethcathinone. It is a synthetic substance mainly produced in China and based on cathinone compounds found in khat, the east African plant that is chewed for an amphetamine-like stimulant effect.
Users of the drug, a white powder which is usually swallowed in capsules or snorted, have likened its effect to the euphoria experienced on ecstasy combined with ''the more-ish qualities of cocaine''.
Its popularity stems from the British dance music scene where in the past 12 months it has progressed from a fringe substance to the drug of choice.
In Britain, mephedrone is cheap, legal and can be bought online and delivered to an address only hours later.
Online retailers of the drug avoid legal issues by marketing it as ''plant food'' and stating that it is ''not for human consumption''. Many of the websites, however, carry suggestive names like ''discofood'', accompanied by images of the rave scene.
But the legality of the drug there is under review. The British media have linked the deaths of four people, including two teenage boys, in the past month to the drug.
In Australia it is illegal, but both police and the National Drug and Alcohol Research Centre said they were aware of its presence and were monitoring its availability. Just last month, the Australian Federal Police and Customs seized 20 kilograms of the drug hidden in children's toys.
Users of the drug told the Herald that demand for mephedrone in Australia surged in November for the summer party and music festival seasons.
It was coupled with what regular ecstasy users described as an ''MDMA drought''.
NDARC's drug monitoring system said users had also noted a steady decline in the purity of ecstasy since 2006.
One user of mephedrone, who did not wish to be identified, said when reports of the drug filtered in from Britain, people were keen to try it.
''MDMA has become a lot less common and a lot harder to find,'' the user said. ''People are always trying to find things that have similar effects.''
Gideon Warhaft, who edits User's News for the NSW Users and Aids Association, said: ''It's inevitable that when drugs are made illegal you are going to have a situation where new drugs are invented.''
NDARC's Dr Lucy Burns said she had yet to see any indication of widespread use of mephedrone. But users have told the Herald that dealers regularly try to pass off the new, cheaper drug as ecstasy to sell it for a higher price. A gram of mephedrone costs about $100 here compared with $300 for a gram of MDMA.
This deception is worrying visitors to the drug information and harm minimisation website Blue Light. Sykik, a regular user of the forums, said he'd tried the drug and the big difference was the need for a higher dosage of mephedrone to achieve the same feeling as ecstasy.
The euphoric feeling, which he described as ''the magic'', does not last as long from the newcomer. He said those who believed they were taking ecstasy then may believe it fine to keep ''re-dosing''.
Little research has been done on the drug and there are concerns about the effect quantities of more than 500mg can have on the body, in particular the heart.
Australian users have reported palpations, along with nose bleeds, muscle tension in the face, paranoia and insomnia
http://www.smh.com.au/national/fears-of-new-ecstasy-on-streets-20100326-r31v.html
March 27, 2010
A new drug has hit our shores and little is known of its dangers, writes Nick Ralston.
Doug had never heard of "meow meow" the first time he took up an offer from his housemate and swallowed two capsules of the drug on a Friday night last November.
An occasional ecstasy user, Doug, who declined to give his full name, took the new drug because it promised to be just as ''good and strong'' as the ''decent [ecstasy] pills'' at a fraction of the price.
The twentysomething professional who lives in Sydney's inner west said he barely slept until the Monday.
''My mate had had it a couple of times and he loved the stuff.
I was keen to put my hand up for it,'' Doug said. ''The feeling was very similar to strong [ecstasy] pills. I was flushed. I was excited. I was hyper.
"You get a bit thirsty and keen for a dance … then it gets to 11am and you're still awake.''
In the months since, Doug has taken meow meow once more but he said his friends' interest in and knowledge of the drug has grown tenfold.
Meow meow - a street name for mephedrone - was practically unheard of just 12 months ago, but its use is on the rise.
The name meow meow originates from m-Cat, an abbreviation of the substance's full chemical name 4-Methylmethcathinone. It is a synthetic substance mainly produced in China and based on cathinone compounds found in khat, the east African plant that is chewed for an amphetamine-like stimulant effect.
Users of the drug, a white powder which is usually swallowed in capsules or snorted, have likened its effect to the euphoria experienced on ecstasy combined with ''the more-ish qualities of cocaine''.
Its popularity stems from the British dance music scene where in the past 12 months it has progressed from a fringe substance to the drug of choice.
In Britain, mephedrone is cheap, legal and can be bought online and delivered to an address only hours later.
Online retailers of the drug avoid legal issues by marketing it as ''plant food'' and stating that it is ''not for human consumption''. Many of the websites, however, carry suggestive names like ''discofood'', accompanied by images of the rave scene.
But the legality of the drug there is under review. The British media have linked the deaths of four people, including two teenage boys, in the past month to the drug.
In Australia it is illegal, but both police and the National Drug and Alcohol Research Centre said they were aware of its presence and were monitoring its availability. Just last month, the Australian Federal Police and Customs seized 20 kilograms of the drug hidden in children's toys.
Users of the drug told the Herald that demand for mephedrone in Australia surged in November for the summer party and music festival seasons.
It was coupled with what regular ecstasy users described as an ''MDMA drought''.
NDARC's drug monitoring system said users had also noted a steady decline in the purity of ecstasy since 2006.
One user of mephedrone, who did not wish to be identified, said when reports of the drug filtered in from Britain, people were keen to try it.
''MDMA has become a lot less common and a lot harder to find,'' the user said. ''People are always trying to find things that have similar effects.''
Gideon Warhaft, who edits User's News for the NSW Users and Aids Association, said: ''It's inevitable that when drugs are made illegal you are going to have a situation where new drugs are invented.''
NDARC's Dr Lucy Burns said she had yet to see any indication of widespread use of mephedrone. But users have told the Herald that dealers regularly try to pass off the new, cheaper drug as ecstasy to sell it for a higher price. A gram of mephedrone costs about $100 here compared with $300 for a gram of MDMA.
This deception is worrying visitors to the drug information and harm minimisation website Blue Light. Sykik, a regular user of the forums, said he'd tried the drug and the big difference was the need for a higher dosage of mephedrone to achieve the same feeling as ecstasy.
The euphoric feeling, which he described as ''the magic'', does not last as long from the newcomer. He said those who believed they were taking ecstasy then may believe it fine to keep ''re-dosing''.
Little research has been done on the drug and there are concerns about the effect quantities of more than 500mg can have on the body, in particular the heart.
Australian users have reported palpations, along with nose bleeds, muscle tension in the face, paranoia and insomnia
http://www.smh.com.au/national/fears-of-new-ecstasy-on-streets-20100326-r31v.html
Sameria
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Something you'ed expect from SMH. They're all about scare tactics and mis-information in order to shock (and consequently make money).
On the positive side, it's good to see a little more substance than the usual "KILLER DRUG" articles. At least the put some semi-helpful HR info in there for once 8)
Let's just wait for Steve's piece
The ACA story will air tonight on nine. From the promos I saw last night whilst watching V, it looks to be typical sensationalist drivel.
"It's cheap, it's deadly and it's here".
A few screen shots of munted looking young men who look too stupid to be allowed near any psychoactive substances and the token mother who looked distressed about something. Only time will tell. *Sigh*
"It's cheap, it's deadly and it's here".
A few screen shots of munted looking young men who look too stupid to be allowed near any psychoactive substances and the token mother who looked distressed about something. Only time will tell. *Sigh*
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"It's cheap, it's deadly and it's here".
I agree with all of those statements with one correction.
"It's cheap, it can be deadly, and it's here" ACA, a well researched non-bias programming
Waits for the lateline issue of it latter this week.
I agree with all of those statements with one correction.
"It's cheap, it can be deadly, and it's here" ACA, a well researched non-bias programming
Waits for the lateline issue of it latter this week.
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"It's cheap, it's deadly and it's here".
I agree with all of those statements with one correction.
"It's cheap, it can be deadly, and it's here" ACA, a well researched non-bias programming
Waits for the lateline issue of it latter this week.
TBH I kind of agree with the line they came out with, otherwise it implies that theres some level of safety. I really don't think there is since the majority of users binge and become addicted.
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This thread is closed. It's at post 961. And that seems like enough.
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=495874 <--- V2.0
Thanks for your time here people.
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=495874 <--- V2.0
Thanks for your time here people.
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