Ethnobotanicals Kava extract (wow)

[Snafu in the Void]

maybe I should snort or smoke some of this?

... for science ?

I'll have to wait until tomorrow, already took some and a few beers

 

[plumbus-nine]

Weird that smoking of heat-unstable ingredients works. Possible that they evaporate rather than being destroyed?

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

Hmmm.

I use to get fiji kava powder back in the day and it did have a good buzz.

You had to mix it with something fat soluble and cold (milk).

Not letting the kavalactones or whatever they're called attach to something with fat in it can give you a really weak experience, if any at all.

It had a very soapy/peppery taste.

I'd compare to a very light opioid feeling, mixed with an intoxicated/alcohol/benzo like stupor.

I believe I've read that kava can have a reverse tolerance effect, as in, it gets stronger the more you do it.

But it never lasted no 8 hours like OP is saying these do. At least not for me.

Some times the experience was mostly just a sedated feeling. Like taking valerian root x10 or something.

Which makes me curious too if they are really just kava then.

A kava experience for me generally lasted about 30 mins of euphoria and sociability but then you get tired & if you try to redose too much, you eventually get nauseous.
Never really notice it once you sleep it off though. No sort of 'hang over' effect for me.

If I see these, maybe I'll try them out.

I've also read that the kavalactones are destroyed by heat.

Just sharing my observations and experience tho. If that Fiji kava had kept me going for 8hrs, that would have been nice!

 

[AutoTripper]

Read a report of extraction with acetone, the resulting product was smoked and seemingly gave a similar effect to a normal kava drink so must be pretty potent. But is acetone extract any different from using ethanol? Other extraction method is with CO2 - that one which comes out of combustion processes? Then it's out of reach for private people I guess.

Boiling doesn't work, besides creating a thick paste which I wouldn't want to ingest, read that the lactones get destroyed by heat, and that they are fat soluble. How do you extract fat soluble stuff? Reverse extraction, use water/alc/acetone and throw away to use the residues? Doesn't sound right.

You know. I see exactly where you hope to take this now I think.

I'm pretty high on weed and just remains of 100 grams too kavas since...well, way less than a "day" ago anyway, I realised then I'm so time dilated, and it's an enduring time as in, stretching time.

So t really seems an age, since..."earlier".

I stopped kava about 5 hours ago, as needed to stay awake and was spinning verge.

atm it works good. Tolerable, and nothing like starting from scratch. But I had to break, do shit, got very high on fantastic long cured weed vaping, few years passed, new me....

And the kava I just drank confesssedly with 6.5 mg's Etiz, also held off longtime like 10 hours, so it's regular flexible balance, but still together with a good effective dose of kava, the two are 6 together for me.

That is really, my bad lol. I pimp kava. It is worthy. Someone's gotto!

But, I am so restricted by allergies. Only 5 drugs, INCLUDING black tea/coffee, no sugar milk, not without consequence either but minor enough.

So I began kava as you know mate same time as Benzo, 2.3 years ago.

The synergy. Kava is very different on top of heavy benzo, and weed too.

And LSD too. Strong calming kava is joypus on acid.

I fell in love with the combos, synergies.

Forever hacking the switchboard since.


So. I am with you. I don't like drinking kava.

Except...it depends WHAT kava so massively. Like, if I was able, I'd order Savusavu from Kavatime, and try others there....oh man that plus a few other specific cultivars, my life would change.

And I have here "quality" kavas.

But kava is more chalk and cheese than cannabis.


So, I struggle with it. But I have severe anxiety panic etc, pain, on edge of life often too.

Kava saves my mind, eases my pain. It is a trade off.

And unnapetising as it is, it is ultimately harmless. I do also really really believe in it's brain chemistry support, balancing too, vs many other psychoactives we might discuss.

Like, psilocybin is recordly famous there, rightly.

Kava flies under radar for this rare attribute too so I make this point a lot. Because I swear, and I'm very bodily intuitive, kratom nooticeably unbalances my brain chemistry.

Like, heavy heavy kava use, loads weed, acid etc. i feel fucked, stuff..but every time I've used kratom, I feel unbalanced, kinda schizophrenic strange to say as I can't know that.

But kava is just gross! NOT choccy milk. And it's pinning down that exact effect you reach, on tap, no deterrence.

I do struggle!

Kavatime would cheer me up though. If only.

I make kava strong, like 50-60 grams in 500 ml, 2 good washes.

Without cannabis vaporization, I struggle to continually palate kava.

I alternate. Each time I vaporize, high, relax, I'm mooded for fresh kava anaesthesation. Like atm.

That weed session set up the kava kick up tonight.

But 100 grams tho lol.


So, sorry, my point.

Extraction?

Yes CO2 is favored I think in industry?

Kavadepot 33% one must me. Would prob work.

But nothing being done is ample.

I wonder...kava is a cannabis Rosin press? Lowish temp.

Just thought.

If the world continues to stand and I have time I could arrange a trial of that to see if I could somehow produce some sort of extract that way. I don't know.

But yeah, must be a way to get Kava's goodness "out" of it.

I am wasted. Kava really doubles benzos for me. Catches me badly lol. No OD's tho all secured now.

 

[G_Chem]

Yeah, I never got my head around that.

Kava disables liver alcohol processing enzymes.

So let's make kava stronger. By extracting it into and consuming it with pure alcohol.

No alcohol, it's the amount of Kavalactones ingested. It shouldn't be any harder on a liver, if pure and clean, as Kava isn't "hard" on the liver anyway.

So 150 grams of root, or equal KL's from an extract, shouldn't make a difference, there.

But I can't see how the alcohol somehow doesn't matter personally even in small amounts.

The reason tinctures are worse is because compared to traditional methods contain far less glutathione which is why kava in water preparation is much safer for the liver. The kava plant has its own substances built in to help protect the user if extracted right.

Also I’ve heard they make them using non-noble varieties and/or other less desirable things I can’t recall at the moment.

I really want to buy some good Noble lateral roots here soon in traditional form to see the real deal.

-GC

 

[AutoTripper]

Weird that smoking of heat-unstable ingredients works. Possible that they evaporate rather than being destroyed?

You had to mix it with something fat soluble and cold (milk).

plumbus I meant to say this. Some mix kava with milk. Potentiates and masks.

I'm v allergic to milk.

 

[AutoTripper]

The reason tinctures are worse is because compared to traditional methods contain far less glutathione which is why kava in water preparation is much safer for the liver. The kava plant has its own substances built in to help protect the user if extracted right.

Also I’ve heard they make them using non-noble varieties and/or other less desirable things I can’t recall at the moment.

I really want to buy some good Noble lateral roots here soon in traditional form to see the real deal.

-GC

Thank you for adding that little clear perspective there and as always really hoping you are okay yourself man.

 

[anti_MK]

Is that because some people in Germany damaged their liver by taking too much of it?

I have had Kava before both in extracted sweets, and the capsules that were easily bought in pharmacies and health food stores. It is relaxing on its own, went very well with pot, and with Psilocybin mushrooms. I never had the actual fresh Kava from the plant or root.

I have never taken any benzo drugs to get high or as downer pills.

German Kava Ban Lifted by Court: The Alleged Hepatotoxicity of Kava (Piper methysticum) as a Case of Ill-Defined Herbal Drug Identity, Lacking Quality Control, and Misguided Regulatory Politics - PubMed

Kava, the rhizome and roots of Piper methysticum, are one of the most important social pillars of Melanesian societies. They have been used for more than 1000 years in social gatherings for the preparation of beverages with relaxing effects. During the colonial period, extract preparations found...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The basic study that incriminated kava (hepatotoxicity, etc.) was later questioned.

It appears that most of the intoxications in Germany and elsewhere at the time (around 2002) were often related to combos: drugs consumed at the same time (paracetamol, etc.), history of alcoholism or consumption of alcohol at the same time, etc.

Secondly, they were generally extracts (capsules, concentrates, etc.), which is not the traditional form used and recognized in Polynesia (and for which there does not seem to be any hepatic problems).

Secondly, extracts were often made at the time with non-noble kavas (tudei or wild kava) whereas only the noble varieties are consumed daily in Vanuatu for example. The tudei in particular, would contain 20 times more flavokavaïne B for example and would be toxic for the liver.

Finally, the extracts could also contain other parts of the plant than the roots (leaves, etc.) whereas only the roots are traditionally consumed. The leaves contain toxic molecules that are not found in the roots (a bit like certain parts of food plants - tomatoes, potatoes - can be toxic).

In short, all this can explain the health problems linked to kava at the time. Besides, many countries which had forbidden the plant, have again authorized its commercialization (USA where there are even kava bars, New Zealand, ...), but in Europe, it still seems vague...

Afaik it is pretty sure that these liver problems weren't from the Kava itself but the pharma corp messed a batch up with impurities and didn't want to take the responsability for, so goodbye Kava. Many people use much Kavfa without any problems. surely it's safer than alcohol I'd say... but that taste. This morning I took a glass of Kava again, didn't know whether to add sweetener and milk powder or not and decided against, nothing can mask that pepper taste and when I see numbers like 50g root in one shot (I used a good tablespoon full = ca 5-7.5g, and of course nothing more than placebo stuff. maybe slightly more relaxed but not sure. No way I drink 50g at once. I need find an extraction technique. already ordered some chloro-etizolam and pagoclone but don't want to really mess with them..

Anybody knowing whether Kava degrades at 100*C? If not I could just concentrate the stuff by boiling, this won't remove the taste and inactive things but hopefully reduce the amount to a handleable shot size.

Do not heat kava, the maximum temperature recommended for traditional extraction is 40 degrees Celsius. Beyond that, I think you risk producing more flavokavain B, which we don't want.

plumbus I meant to say this. Some mix kava with milk. Potentiates and masks.

I'm v allergic to milk.

Almond milk (rich in almonds) also works well...
I agree that kava is quite balancing. With kratom in comparison, I have rebound effects after consumption (increased anxiety or dark thoughts) and it is much more addictive!

In general, I really recommend the traditional method with medium grinds, even if it is long and tedious to prepare, the effort is worth it (for me). And of course good cultivars of noble varieties!

 

[Snafu in the Void]

I seem to have developed some level of tolerance to these pills. Not huge tolerance, but noticeable.

Is that weird? I thought kava doesn't have a tolerance gain, if anything it should be reverse?

hmm... I really want to know what's in these

 

[Snafu in the Void]

yeah scratch that, I keep forgetting it takes about 2 hours for the sedative part to kick in, I took 2 pills and it just hit me like a ton of bricks, I'm quite high now... 10-20mg of valium type feeling

I actually LOVE this product...

 

[Las Veghost grower]

Interesting. Looks similar to the opms kratom (both package, name, and vibe (pricey and strong)).

That being said, it could also be some properly dosed out rc spiked in those pills too. That thought did cross my mind...

Exactly what I thought, the OPMS are crazy potent, sounds like these are too, what do they say about things to good to be true

 

[Snafu in the Void]

the OPMS are crazy potent

the kratom shots?

I think their powder kratom is decent but not the best, have some right now

but yeah man these pills are legit

Took 2 of them 5 hours ago and I'm still high, very relaxed and a bit sleepy. Muscle relaxation is present but not nearly as much as a benzo

 

[somnilicious]

Right on.... Kava is legit if you get the right stuff and it is the most benign substance I've ever taken. It has no withdrawal issues and the worst thing that can happen from heavy use is a dry, scaly rash. It is a great alcohol or opiate substitute for those with anxiety or addiction issues.

Don't combine alcohol and kava as it is extremely hard on the liver.

I'm going to pick up some kava. Thanks for reminding me, as I've been drinking lately and either had a massive hangover that lasted 3 days or I was in withdrawal because the anxiety and insomnia was unreal, which was strange because I had only been drinking for a little over a week on and off and don't do it that often because I tend to somewhat binge. I think that alcohol depletes methadone in the body and perhaps my drinking washed out my methadone levels. I've read that somewhere.

Anyways.... Yay kava!! The guilt free relaxant.

 

[somnilicious]

You know. I see exactly where you hope to take this now I think.

I'm pretty high on weed and just remains of 100 grams too kavas since...well, way less than a "day" ago anyway, I realised then I'm so time dilated, and it's an enduring time as in, stretching time.

So t really seems an age, since..."earlier".

I stopped kava about 5 hours ago, as needed to stay awake and was spinning verge.

atm it works good. Tolerable, and nothing like starting from scratch. But I had to break, do shit, got very high on fantastic long cured weed vaping, few years passed, new me....

And the kava I just drank confesssedly with 6.5 mg's Etiz, also held off longtime like 10 hours, so it's regular flexible balance, but still together with a good effective dose of kava, the two are 6 together for me.

That is really, my bad lol. I pimp kava. It is worthy. Someone's gotto!

But, I am so restricted by allergies. Only 5 drugs, INCLUDING black tea/coffee, no sugar milk, not without consequence either but minor enough.

So I began kava as you know mate same time as Benzo, 2.3 years ago.

The synergy. Kava is very different on top of heavy benzo, and weed too.

And LSD too. Strong calming kava is joypus on acid.

I fell in love with the combos, synergies.

Forever hacking the switchboard since.


So. I am with you. I don't like drinking kava.

Except...it depends WHAT kava so massively. Like, if I was able, I'd order Savusavu from Kavatime, and try others there....oh man that plus a few other specific cultivars, my life would change.

And I have here "quality" kavas.

But kava is more chalk and cheese than cannabis.


So, I struggle with it. But I have severe anxiety panic etc, pain, on edge of life often too.

Kava saves my mind, eases my pain. It is a trade off.

And unnapetising as it is, it is ultimately harmless. I do also really really believe in it's brain chemistry support, balancing too, vs many other psychoactives we might discuss.

Like, psilocybin is recordly famous there, rightly.

Kava flies under radar for this rare attribute too so I make this point a lot. Because I swear, and I'm very bodily intuitive, kratom nooticeably unbalances my brain chemistry.

Like, heavy heavy kava use, loads weed, acid etc. i feel fucked, stuff..but every time I've used kratom, I feel unbalanced, kinda schizophrenic strange to say as I can't know that.

But kava is just gross! NOT choccy milk. And it's pinning down that exact effect you reach, on tap, no deterrence.

I do struggle!

Kavatime would cheer me up though. If only.

I make kava strong, like 50-60 grams in 500 ml, 2 good washes.

Without cannabis vaporization, I struggle to continually palate kava.

I alternate. Each time I vaporize, high, relax, I'm mooded for fresh kava anaesthesation. Like atm.

That weed session set up the kava kick up tonight.

But 100 grams tho lol.


So, sorry, my point.

Extraction?

Yes CO2 is favored I think in industry?

Kavadepot 33% one must me. Would prob work.

But nothing being done is ample.

I wonder...kava is a cannabis Rosin press? Lowish temp.

Just thought.

If the world continues to stand and I have time I could arrange a trial of that to see if I could somehow produce some sort of extract that way. I don't know.

But yeah, must be a way to get Kava's goodness "out" of it.

I am wasted. Kava really doubles benzos for me. Catches me badly lol. No OD's tho all secured now.

Kava and LSD do have great synergy. I can attest to this.

 

[AutoTripper]

Kava and LSD do have great synergy. I can attest to this.

Definitely. Particularly for mitigating cannabis anxiety, but leaving blissful colourful high and depth of experience.

But I'll tell you what though as you can relate here.

I tried the long reknowned Shilajit supplement months ago.

I'm allergic to almost everything, ratio wise. Including that.

But I took it first, on 1 mg of LSD and with so much weed.

Instantly, I felt like I had dropped MDA on acid. I noticed it a lot.

I came up more on the acid and weed, which I didn't need so much, that time.

But I had rarely abstained from kava for 24 hours.

I was on a cracking trip. I was in the mood.

As soon as I drank some kava, I had never felt kava anything like that before.

It massively multiplied the way Kavalactones alter and soothe the LSD.

It was like total total displacement. No walls. NOT my room! All sorts places. So fresh, new, magical.

My head was there, so was strange and bit intense with my mum convo shush for half hour AutoTripper lol.

Was like ketamine on acid.

That I like a lot.

But Shilajit really makes Kava feel very different. Much better, right away.

 

[somnilicious]

Definitely. Particularly for mitigating cannabis anxiety, but leaving blissful colourful high and depth of experience.

But I'll tell you what though as you can relate here.

I tried the long reknowned Shilajit supplement months ago.

I'm allergic to almost everything, ratio wise. Including that.

But I took it first, on 1 mg of LSD and with so much weed.

Instantly, I felt like I had dropped MDA on acid. I noticed it a lot.

I came up more on the acid and weed, which I didn't need so much, that time.

But I had rarely abstained from kava for 24 hours.

I was on a cracking trip. I was in the mood.

As soon as I drank some kava, I had never felt kava anything like that before.

It massively multiplied the way Kavalactones alter and soothe the LSD.

It was like total total displacement. No walls. NOT my room! All sorts places. So fresh, new, magical.

My head was there, so was strange and bit intense with my mum convo shush for half hour AutoTripper lol.

Was like ketamine on acid.

That I like a lot.

But Shilajit really makes Kava feel very different. Much better, right away.

What you say? Kava and shilajit synergize? Never heard of it could you elaborate on the effect, minus LSD?

 

[Burnt Offerings]

the kratom shots?

I think their powder kratom is decent but not the best, have some right now

but yeah man these pills are legit

Took 2 of them 5 hours ago and I'm still high, very relaxed and a bit sleepy. Muscle relaxation is present but not nearly as much as a benzo

Dang I really want to try this now! I like the idea of a relaxant but I don't really like benzodiazepines or alcohol...they make me depressed. Just like kratom became my "diet opioid", maybe kava can become my "diet benzo", lol

 

[sewerslide.666mg]

I found this brand called O.P.K. it's very potent. The first time I've ever actually had an effect from kava. 500mg of this powder feels equivalent to 15-20mg of diazepam! I think this is purified kavain?

@AutoTripper have you tried any extract? This stuff surprised me

It is a bit expensive though, but wow, I LOVE IT!!!

amazing alcohol replacement!

I finally found kava that works, all this time I thought it was kinda crap

Sick, I've had similar but I bought it from a herb shop he had tons of plants in big Mason jars he had kave power it was yellow almost looks like Coke from back in the day the kava was so good I've been looking for it ever scene

 

[AutoTripper]

What you say? Kava and shilajit synergize? Never heard of it could you elaborate on the effect, minus LSD?

Yes, definitely of all those drugs I was on that day, fully accustomed to, it was the kava which really got my attention as the most extraordinary injection of magic.

There is I feel a strong potentiation of kava with shilajit.

And shilajit potentiates other psychoactives too. If I was not allergic to shilajit, I would be taking it anyway, but in particular to make kava a lot better.

 

[AutoTripper]

What you say? Kava and shilajit synergize? Never heard of it could you elaborate on the effect, minus LSD?

And yes soz wasn't clear on that. I experienced all together, but I'm speaking of kava & shilajit independant interaction.