Accidentally Opened My Third Eye While Doing Nitrous and Got Possessed by (Demon?)

[N0 W4RN1NG]

Hey man, I'm not attacking you, just explaining that you are representing some things as the defacto-truth that others may not agree with - for instance, the "third eye" you're talking about is a small bundle of neurons that haven't actually been proven to do anything, and are likely vestigal remains like the appendix or tonsils.

The link between your "3rd eye" and DMT\the pineal gland is 100% entirely made-up phenomenon - and I would love for you or anyone else to show me research saying other wise.

You say you aren't talking about accessing "spiritual powers", but unfortunately, you are; the mere idea that your "3rd eye" is actually something that you can see out of - something that can actually be "opened" - is *highly* unlikely to be true and has never been demonstrated to be anything other than the placebo affect and confirmation bias.

I wish it wasn't! It would be pretty cool if we had some kind of telekinetic camera in our foreheads that released psychedelic drugs lol

I have done DMT, and had crazy experiences too. The fact that you continued to have these experiences when sober is what makes me think you may be now dealing with some latent form of mental illness.

EDIT: late 2018 Addendum, almost 5 years later:

I just wanted to say, for anyone who might be reading this in the future, that I have changed my views. Spirituality is very real, and while "3rd eye" related content is usually mumbojumbo, there is a bunch of evidence connecting endogenous DMT and the Pineal Gland. I still think OP had a psychotic break, but it felt bad to look at this old post and think that maybe my misguided views in 2014 were potentially discouraging younger readers from looking into spirituality. Happy trails friends

 

[lyricabuddy]

I'm not atacking you either, I'm just giving my rebuttal to some of the things you said which I thought needed a bit more clarification. I'm actually not drawing the line from the third eye to spirituality. I really don't know enough about the pysiology or biology involved with "the third eye" to have any authority on this at this point. Whether you call it a third eye or not, regardless of it's capabilities it's there, the peneal gland is real, scientifically proven.

My point is that stimulation of this part of your brain, if you would even call it that, can and will result in the sensations which I felt and are listed above by many others. Also, you may notice that some of the reports claim that these feelings persisted after the actual trip as well. And considering I have not technically been sober (been taking <maintenance doses of kratom, gabapentin, and phenibut, it is quite possible that these things have continued to stimulate activity in this region.

 

[motiv311]

your original story makes you sound like your either a crazy, or a person with a death wish.....

why keep doing hits when you had all the warning signs?

 

[lyricabuddy]

Well I was crazy when I wrote the original story becasue my physiology was definitely not great, but also because the hallucination and feelings in my head kinda got me worked up. I was also a lot more emotionally unstable than I am now, and now that I'e been pretty healthy for 12 days and put most of the ssri w/d behind me I can see that I was overwhelmed by everything and allowing nnegative emotions to control my thoughts.

The reason I kept doing hits is in short because my thought process, but also inhibitions were altered in the middle of doing 3 boxes. I had actually been experincing bubbling sensations in my head from doing PEA which I had just started using, but I thought this was normal (and later came to find out that this was also likely at least partially caused by ssri w/d). So, when I began to experience abnormnal feelings while doing nitrous, I was basically telling myself not to worry about it. I was convinced that trips can manifest hallucinations off of both negative and positive mindframes, and at that session happened to be the most guilty I had felt about doing nitrous in a long time.

So, although I absolutely was not feeling great about what I was doing or what I thought were at least for the most part hallucinations, I viewed them as just that - hallucinations, and took the mindset that I shouldn't be controlled by negativity and "voices" telling me not to do something. I kept telling myself that nitrous will at least not severely harm me, and since this trip was definitley not that enjoyable, it wouldn't be too difficult to just take a break after I was done with my 3 boxes knowing that I would be predisposed to getting the same type of sensations. I wanted to be in control and finish what I had left, and essentilaly not "bitch out" to what i just thought was a bad trip.

 

[lyricabuddy]

I think the issue is, you have a pretty unique point of view about what's going on, and in order for people to comment they have to believe the same things as you.

For instance, I think it's all a bunch of mumbo jumbo and you are potentially experiencing the prodromal phrase of schizophrenia - I'm quite certain, for me, there is no such thing as a third eye. I also don't believe in spirits or souls. In my opinion, you are experiencing the results of cell death, damaged pathways, and a jumpy temporal lobe - and this is your way of stringing your experiences together into making sense.

Does that mean I'm right and you're wrong? Of course not! But that's my opinion, and probably quite a few others' too, and that's why you're not getting too much more feedback, probably.

Yeah, but your speculations are wedded to the fact that you dont believe in anything involving the third eye. The fact that you aren't even aknowledging the dozen or so reports I found, and the possibility that my symptoms are actually described perfectly in their reports, and the possibility that nitrous could also cause this to occur with my individual physiology, shows me that you care more about disproving third eye claims than being objective.

IMO, when someone finds a dozen reports that mirror his symptoms, this is cause for consideration as a strong possibility as to what is going on. Unfortunately, you would rather tell me I have brain damage, wishful thinking, and developing schizophrenia in order to have it stay consistent with your third eye beliefs. Without hopefully sounding like too much of a dick, THIS is why I got a bit snappy with my initial response to you.

Also, just because something isn't scientifically proven doesn't mean it doesn't exist... There's a point where you have to give anecdotal reports some credence when they occur over a large sample of people who all have similar experiences.

You should look into near death experiences and experiences of people who have died and come back to life. Although we can't scientifically prove that there is an afterlife, we can't prove there isn't one either. And when you read the hundreds, if not thousands of nearly identical afterlife experiences which are documented (and I'm sure there would be more if they thought it was "necessary") , this is enough for me to actually believe that there is a higher probability that there is an afterlife and that we have conciousness that exists seperate in space and time from the physical world. I think this actually gives ME a better argument than people who think otherwise. So although you might disagree with me, hopefully you can see that I'm actually pragmatic about my beliefs and not just making stuff up out of wishfull thinking or naivete.

Sorry to go off topic, but this is a perfect example to address you when you infer that I am the crazy one for considering this, because it is not scientifically proven. Let's be real, when tell someone you have virtually no experience with in daily life from behind a computer screen that they are probably in the early stages of schizophrenia, (based on incident involving multiple drugs) simply because it fits with their view of what is or isn't possible to experience without it being the case, it wasn't very well recieved.

 

[Zilpe]

I agree that a neurologist is probably your first stop. It honestly doesn't sound like psychosis to me. Many sane people have spiritual beliefs and it's not really surprising that some of them will seek out a metaphysical explanation for an intense hallucinogenic experience. This isn't necessarily indicitive of a psychological disorder even if the conclusions they come to seem far fetched to us. At any rate it's clear that at the very least you should stop taking drugs.

 

[Mycophile]

Go see another better neurologist than that last one.

Your description of him made him sound like he wasn't very legit and wasn't taking you seriously.

And get an MRI done.

 

[jason7]

Sure it could hurt. You can't just take random crap when you've got a compromised system.

B12 is not "random shit", it's known as a vitamin. It's a fact that Nitrous depletes your B12 and then that causes a bunch of problems. B12 is not dangerous, as this quote says;

Even at high doses, vitamin B-12 seems fairly safe. Experts have not found a specific dose of vitamin B-12 that's dangerous. No tolerable upper intake levels have been set.
http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-and-supplements/lifestyle-guide-11/supplement-guide-vitamin-b12

Therefore, my statement "Can't hurt, right?" appears to be valid. It might not be the source of the problem in this particular instance but no harm in taking it anyway just in case. I'm guessing that if he just stops with the nitrous and the amphetamines or methoxetamine or whatever else he was taking that his problem will clear up over time by itself. He should probably take a good mutivitamin/mineral tablet though just so his body has the resources it needs to heal as quickly as possible.

 

[N0 W4RN1NG]

^ Jason7 is correct - I also advise against "random crap" but B12 is a great idea.

 

[lyricabuddy]

I agree that a neurologist is probably your first stop. It honestly doesn't sound like psychosis to me. Many sane people have spiritual beliefs and it's not really surprising that some of them will seek out a metaphysical explanation for an intense hallucinogenic experience. This isn't necessarily indicitive of a psychological disorder even if the conclusions they come to seem far fetched to us. At any rate it's clear that at the very least you should stop taking drugs.

Correct, and thank you. I wasn't necessarily thinking I might have gotten possessed by a religious demon, but possibly "affected" by another dimension. Much like how many people claim to reach other dimensions on things like high dose dxm, ketamine, or dmt, and feeling as if their brain gets "rewired". And you're right to say that these thoughts were influenced by my spiritual beliefs, because I believe that we exists as souls or "conciousness" amongst other dimensions, so based on the nature of my hallucination, it actually wasn't that far fetched to me to consider that I might have gotten iinfluenced by another dimension. The only reason I brought religion into the picture is because I was trying to use it as a tool for hypnotic suggestion, partly because I was crazed at the time, and partly because I thought it might work and I was desperate.

Been taking plenty of vitamins including b12 and nutrition ever since, havent touched nitrous and amphetamines, and will get results from MRI this wednesday

 

[motiv311]

Hey I used to use nitrous, and got pretty compromised for a bit, b12 is not going to pass your blood brain barrier unless you get injections in your muscle... You can do this yourself or pay a doctor to do it for you, at about 10 dollars a pop, you WILL feel a bit different once it gets into your system since Nitrous rapes your nervous system of all b12 causing damage

 

[jason7]

Been taking plenty of vitamins including b12 and nutrition ever since, havent touched nitrous and amphetamines, and will get results from MRI this wednesday

I'll be interested to hear how the MRI turns out. I hope there's no serious problems discovered. Re the demon possession, it wasn't a silly thing to suggest. There's evil demons around alright, no doubt about that. They don't usually get to you through drug use though. It's usually through people using Ouija boards or moving into houses with a demon portal from devil worshipers doing weird stuff in it. I do sometimes sense an evil presence when doing psychs but it's probably just from the drug effects.

 

[Mycophile]

Hey I used to use nitrous, and got pretty compromised for a bit, b12 is not going to pass your blood brain barrier unless you get injections in your muscle... You can do this yourself or pay a doctor to do it for you, at about 10 dollars a pop, you WILL feel a bit different once it gets into your system since Nitrous rapes your nervous system of all b12 causing damage

How much nitrous do you really have to do though before it starts negatively effecting your B12 levels to a dramatic extent?

I was using about 30 chargers a week give or take for 2 months....not really that much, but there were a couple days where I did like a box and 1/2 in a day.

NOTHING like the OP or many people, fairly moderate use, I'd say I only did balloons every 4 days or so, most days I never did any.

I regularly take B12 but orally, not as injection.

How would I notice if my B12 levels were low?

Lack of energy?

I don't have any less energy than usual.

And what causes the B12 damage?

Lack of Oxygen or the nitrous itself?

I tend to doubt that I did enough for real noticeable B12 deficiency.

 

[Mycophile]

I'll be interested to hear how the MRI turns out. I hope there's no serious problems discovered. Re the demon possession, it wasn't a silly thing to suggest. There's evil demons around alright, no doubt about that. They don't usually get to you through drug use though. It's usually through people using Ouija boards or moving into houses with a demon portal from devil worshipers doing weird stuff in it. I do sometimes sense an evil presence when doing psychs but it's probably just from the drug effects.

It's cool for YOU to believe this, just as long as you realize that these things haven't been proven by a LONG shot and that most people do not believe in them.

Then again, most people believe in God and I see no real proof of that either.

 

[motiv311]

^ I'd say 90 percent of the world believes in a God Deity and a Devil Deity, you cannot prove many things but that doesn't mean their not real. I think the fact that people with way more life experience than either of us have had intimate experiences / life after death/ dreams/ literal with the devil and god means there is something to it whether built into our DNA or otherwise

 

[motiv311]

How much nitrous do you really have to do though before it starts negatively effecting your B12 levels to a dramatic extent?

I was using about 30 chargers a week give or take for 2 months....not really that much, but there were a couple days where I did like a box and 1/2 in a day.

NOTHING like the OP or many people, fairly moderate use, I'd say I only did balloons every 4 days or so, most days I never did any.

I regularly take B12 but orally, not as injection.

How would I notice if my B12 levels were low?

Lack of energy?

I don't have any less energy than usual.

And what causes the B12 damage?

Lack of Oxygen or the nitrous itself?

I tend to doubt that I did enough for real noticeable B12 deficiency.

Its pretty immediate if you do anything like a box or more, b12 is gone pretty quick.. .. you would notice b12 deficiency if you have trembly hands, a facial tick, a nerve that's in spasms, lack of energy, but usually if you hands have a tremor is the first sign.

Most vitamins are totally ineffective when taken orally , especially b12, literally does nothing. You can buy Beplex-Forte and other B-12 vials off the internet easily, and you take the vial to the pharmacist and ask for an Intra-Muscular Syringe, pick out the fatest part of your ass, stick the needle all the way in til it hurts like hell (the more the better) and then slowly inject, you'll soon taste the vitamin on your lips, and if your deficient you'll feel a pleasant fullness , and should see the tremors subside

 

[weirdling]

Its pretty immediate if you do anything like a box or more, b12 is gone pretty quick.. .. you would notice b12 deficiency if you have trembly hands, a facial tick, a nerve that's in spasms, lack of energy, but usually if you hands have a tremor is the first sign.

Most vitamins are totally ineffective when taken orally , especially b12, literally does nothing. You can buy Beplex-Forte and other B-12 vials off the internet easily, and you take the vial to the pharmacist and ask for an Intra-Muscular Syringe, pick out the fatest part of your ass, stick the needle all the way in til it hurts like hell (the more the better) and then slowly inject, you'll soon taste the vitamin on your lips, and if your deficient you'll feel a pleasant fullness , and should see the tremors subside

Whoa whoa whoa buddy, do we have a big bunch of misinformation right here. The aforequoted alarmist post either needs to be properly backed by sources, or readers would be well advised to ignore it for the large load of goofiness that it is.

The liver stores a respectable amount of B12, which generally lasts for years before it is depleted. Now, it might be that the damn nitrous sucks the B12 right outta the liver, I wouldn't know nothing 'bout that, but, generally speaking, it takes a damn sight longer than two frigging months to get your body rid of the precious cobalamin.

Oral supplementation of B12, namely the methylcobalamin vitamer, is considered a reasonably efficient ROA for long-term B12 supplementation. Treatment of cases of acute deficiency usually consists of IV B12 attack dose regimen followed by oral (sublingual) supplementation.

B12 deficiency also doesn't manifest via hand tremors first. Unfortunately, being the low-laying, slowly-creeping beast that it is, B12 deficiency can go undetected for years, before it starts fucking with your CNS proper in a way that is impossible to ignore. The good news is that for the small expense of a couple of bucks, you can get a blood test and all the peace of mind that you need. If you have money for drugs, you have money for this. Do it, and don't forget to eat your cow livers/methylcobalamin supplements regularly. Thanks for reading.

 

[motiv311]

well guess what ^ it is you whos in need of some informing. I have anemia and low b vitamins in my body as a condition, I found out when I was in 7th grade and got a bruise so bad I almost got pulmonary embolism.... I was put on injections , which the doctor would administer.... Years later I got into drugs and stimulants and nitrous... and to protect my nerves from overstimulation and because of my condition , would inject b-12 about every other day.

No it doesn't suck it out of your liver , rather nitrous depletes b-12 through the nerves/nervous system itself, every time you get the high from nitrous b-12 is involved, every time you have an orgasm b-12 is firing off in the nerves. You are a f==king greenlighter, what the hell do you know?

 

[Mycophile]

^ I'd say 90 percent of the world believes in a God Deity and a Devil Deity, you cannot prove many things but that doesn't mean their not real. I think the fact that people with way more life experience than either of us have had intimate experiences / life after death/ dreams/ literal with the devil and god means there is something to it whether built into our DNA or otherwise

I'm not saying there couldn't be a god, devil or any of these things, that's why I am agnostic.

I don't believe they DON'T exist and I don't believe they DO exist, I am simply skeptical.

Also, life after death dreams have to do with DMT, and are not necessarily literal.

 

[Mycophile]

Its pretty immediate if you do anything like a box or more, b12 is gone pretty quick.. .. you would notice b12 deficiency if you have trembly hands, a facial tick, a nerve that's in spasms, lack of energy, but usually if you hands have a tremor is the first sign.

Most vitamins are totally ineffective when taken orally , especially b12, literally does nothing. You can buy Beplex-Forte and other B-12 vials off the internet easily, and you take the vial to the pharmacist and ask for an Intra-Muscular Syringe, pick out the fatest part of your ass, stick the needle all the way in til it hurts like hell (the more the better) and then slowly inject, you'll soon taste the vitamin on your lips, and if your deficient you'll feel a pleasant fullness , and should see the tremors subside

Ok but seriously, I can't imagine with the fairly small amount of nitrous I've taken that it's necessary to go get B vitamin injections, I think it would just be overkill.

I haven't noticed any hand tremors or any other signs.

I don't want to go get a syringe and inject my ass with vitamin B unless it's 100% necessary and I doubt it would be.

Also, MY GUESS would be that because you have anaemia nitrous would effect your worse and/or that you'd be more in need of B12 injections than I would, no offense.

Next time I get blood work at the doctor would it show if I have vitamin B deficiency??

Also, I just wanted to support the other guy whether he's right or wrong, your telling him that because he's a "green lighter" he couldn't possibly know anything worthwhile is absurd.

The amount of time some one has been posting on a forum has NOTHING to do with the amount of information they have on a particular subject.

There's lots of doctors, scientists and extremely knowledgable people who would be greenlighters if they made their first post today.

Forum elitism is silly.