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The EADD Kratom Thread v1. Chew those leaves? Bleugh!

I can imagine that would send me to sleep too.

Forgot to mention (and indeed, forgot..) that if you take too much white vein stuff, it ends up quite sedating too. Less is more if you want stimulation. Leaving the house is going to be difficult. :|
 
Ok... kratom has my full attention now..! Im suffering some PAWS and I just want to ease them off a little as im getting very irritable now. All advice appreciated, I was thinking about doing a couple of week run at it
Wise-unwise?

From what little research ive done so far its looks like the Red Vein variety is what im needing for opi withdrawls, correct?

Your collective input would be very much appreciated. Have no idea where to start, ive read that some sell inferior product? Is it allowed to discuss brands? If not ignore that and ill just have to take a punt. Didnt realise it was so cheap. Bloody bargain aint it.

Im not after a buzz as such, just a bit of comfort and energy.
 
Kratom definately improves my appetite, food kills my kratom buzz though. In my heavy days I would refrain from eating just so I could redose on the kratom all day, it does make a hell lot of a difference whether you take it n empty or full stomach
 
ScotchMist said:
Ok... kratom has my full attention now..!
Your collective input would be very much appreciated. Have no idea where to start, ive read that some sell inferior product?
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Bob Funkhouse said:
I've no experience in using Kratom for wd' s etc, just for relaxing. But from what I've read I think it could suit your needs and would definitely be worth a shot. And given your tolerance I don't think you'd get any buzz, just hopefully some comfort/relief.
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I certainly have seen mention of Kratom for withdrawals whilst doing a bit of research myself.

I believe you will be more like to get your answer in the OD forum - The Kratom Mega Thread v3

Good luck mate.
 
Thanks man, ill check it out.

Im out of benzos now so I need something, ive become really manic and not sleeping well at all... Why cant the world just stop for a month or so, doesnt it realise im not feeling up to life ;)

The things we do to ourselves ay :eek:

Edit.. So theres loads of strains, I know I need the red vein kind but which region do yoi go for Thai, Bali etc etc... which one would you say is the best? Im looking at you MDB or Amini :sus:
 
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ive ordered some sample packs, 10 grams of 4 different strains plus some other small samples of other strains i havent tried. Interested in the white vein varieties now, though there doesnt seem to be many atleast on the site that i use.


Premium Bali Kratom × 1
Sumatra Red Vein Kratom × 1
PL Red Kratom × 1

Sample pack:

10g Sumatra Red Vein Kratom
10g Borneo Red Vein Kratom
10g Sumatra White Vein Kratom
10g Green Riau

Not tried any of these except the BRV, so am looking forward to receiving these. Will try switchinbg strains to see if that helps with tolerance issues. I dont intend to use for longer than one month.
 
Let us know how you get on.

Obviously I've never tried Kratom before, so I'm not even sure I'll take to it but it'd be interesting to hear what the different colours/regions are like.
 
So thats my order in, 250 grams of Red Vein Thai.

Im looking forward to this, if I can get myself feeling a bit more human with a hint of motivation I'll be made up :)

It'll be interesting to see what my key worker makes of it, I suspect shes not going to share my optimisation.

So just waiting on postie and to get me some yoghurts in and im away.

Thanks for the advice here and in PM :D<3%)
 
I was interested to read of the short-term liver toxicity that a select few have using Kratom in the OD forum - apparently it's an adverse reaction that comes on fairly quickly on first starting to use it. However, it doesn't affect long-term users & there are even people with Hep C using Kratom without this problem. I suppose it's like any pharmaceutical drug, it can have an adverse affect in a minority.

It's hard to find what doses people were using when this occurred but they seemed to be higher doses in those who had listed them. Also, I think it generally takes a few sessions close together to cause the problem. A cumulative effect.

I UTSE & couldn't find any current or archived posts on the subject in EADD.

I don't see why any of this should stop me, I've had slightly elevated liver function for a while but nothing that wouldn't be expected from a regular drinker. I don't really drink often so ended up getting checked for Hep & Thyroid problems but it came back clear. It's dropped slightly over the past 4 months but I was told I will need another check up to ensure it doesn't go the wrong way.

All I can do is stick to my 3g & avoid taking it again soon to see if anything happens. If I get so much as a pain in my side or itch or brown urine, then I'll never use it again & get to my Docs for another Liver Function test. Of course, many people got hospitalized but I would hope that wouldn't happen from a single low dose!

Just have to try not to think about it, let's hope my Kratom arrives this morning. :D
 
If it were liver toxic we would know about as it's widely used among certain social classes(peasants) from Myanmar to the Philippines, southern Thailand, Cambodia, etc, and has been extremely popular among American kids who grew up stealing their mommies hydrocodones for almost a decade. There would be a lot of literature available about its liver toxicity by now.

I remember the Kratom explosion when I was still a regular on Totse in the BLTC sub-forums, that was back in like 2004, with a lot of sites sending freebies, a lot of people were initially very skeptical then once the samples started to arrive, a lot jumped on the bandwagon, I'm talking regular oxy and hydro users here, praising how good it was.

It took me another 3 years to try it as at the time I didn't have an interest in any opiod.

I once spoke with a vendor who said he had changed suppliers as his previous one used heavy pesticides and didn't wash the leaves before drying, crushing and powdering. That might have a role, I don't think liver toxicity is inherent within the plant itself.
 
Yeah, someone on the OD thread said they'd be interested to hear what strain/region/supplier the affected people got their Kratom from but obviously that sort of thing isn't allowed on BL.

I was curious if anyone from the UK had had this problem... or if it was just in the US. Hard to tell without a lot of research. I thought it might have been isolated to the US, which would point to what you suggest.

Anyway, 3g down the hatch; my Greek 'Kratom' Yoghurt wasn't too bad... if I'd been able to get the full-fat rather than zero-fat version of the Yoghurt, I might actually have enjoyed it. :D

It's a shame the Kratom doesn't taste as nice as it smells, I love that earthy smell. It wasn't actually too bad doing toss & wash with an allergy dose earlier. Had a bitter aftertaste.
 
Right, well last night was certainly interesting & I think Kratom may have some use.

I ended up taking ~3.2g then 1 hour later another ~800mg. I felt a slight uplift in my mood & a little warm, but not really an opiate warmth as such & no sedation other than perhaps feeling relaxed with the first dose. Too subtle.

So, I decided to re-dose but I obviously missed my sweet spot, as I began to nod a bit & had slight nausea which had been apparent briefly after ingesting the first time too. I then tried to eat my dinner 40 minutes later & that just made my nausea worse, not bad... more like bad indigestion. I also got a headache & figured I might be dehydrated, so I drank a Cuppa but filling my stomach up more just made the nausea worse. I was fairly bloated. I do have mild IBS though, so it might be that the Kratom disagrees with my stomach. I also lost the mood lift following the re-dose & even might go as far as to say I felt apathetic.

I was fairly nodding by this point so just went to bed. I woke up a couple of hours later feeling better with my mood feeling uplifted again. Went for a piss & went back to bed. I slept fairly well & had some good dreams. I woke with a slightly sore back but I'm not sure it's indicative of anything because I'd had a twinge or two yesterday morning in isolation of the Kratom. I also felt a slight hangover but that seems to have gone on drinking some water.

I was a bit disappointed by the Red Borneo strain. At first it seemed to lack the sedation & then it lost everything that made it enjoyable when it did. I suspect I missed my sweet spot as I said. Perhaps the Private Reserve version is not up to par... it is fairly new I believe. Still, I think I will perhaps try a green & white strain. I assumed all Kratom strains would have sedation & stimulation to varying degrees but the mental stimulation seemed non-existent for me with this Kratom.

I'm going to order some Green Malay & possibly White Vein Sumatra for further testing at the weekend. I'm going to assume taking slightly too much Kratom is akin to binge drinking & keep myself hydrated & avoid any alcohol or paracetemol.

Next time I will avoid re-dosing even if I feel I've not hit my sweet spot & will probably not eat anything after dosing.
 
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The red vein Thai is very mentally stimulating. The Borneo can be warm and fuzzy if you hit the sweet spot. Sample packs arrived today, got a bit more experimenting and unfinished business to complete, then playtime really must come to end. Im literally really just frittering everything away, which does not feel good. I will temporarirly feel worse before i start to feel better, but at least i will feel that im back on the right track, a feeling quite strongly that im on the wrong track with all this. Hopefully all this can be worked up into some kind of motivation to quit and finally stay quit.
 
Do you not find that kratom becomes boring looooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnng before it could feasibly become a problem? I do.

Kudos to you for making the decision to get on with life though. It's all too easy to just stay at home and get fucked for some.
 
So my Kratom is at home waiting for me when I get home.. :) I hope it works with me..

Would anyone advise an allergy test or is it unecessary?

Im only planning on using it for a couple of weeks or so just to balance myself out a bit, emotions and motivation are all over the place :\

After searching for info on dosing it seems to be huge variations in whats recommended. I was thinking about 5g to start. Any objections?
 
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An allergy test is a must with anything new. I even do it when switching to a new supplier although RCs are a different ballpark. Once is probably enough for Kratom!

There are no specifics to dosing, I think 3-5g is probably a good place to start assuming your powder is not enhanced. YMMV though. As I said above, "less is more" seems to be good advice... start low & work your way up each session gradually until you hit the sweet spot.
 
Sammy G said:
Do you not find that kratom becomes boring looooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnng before it could feasibly become a problem? I do.

Kudos to you for making the decision to get on with life though. It's all too easy to just stay at home and get fucked for some.
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cheers, yeah i guess you are right, once again i am blowing things up and making mountains out of molehills. I guess the boring thing is why ive tried some new strains. It sometimes works as a 'pick me up' sometimes doesnt.

This white vein stuff is pretty good, i managed to fuck up my new hoover within about 30 minutes of using it. :! Managed to get the energy together to figure out by a process of elimination what i had done to it. :sus: 6 months of heavy duty dust and fur was a bit much for it, so had to flush the hose out. Hopefully the main hose will now be able to actually suck things up again:eek:

ScotchMist i would recommend starting on an empty stomach with one heaped teaspoonfull of red vein thai. Depending on your tolerance you should feel the effects of that.
 
Sammy G said:
Do you not find that kratom becomes boring looooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnng before it could feasibly become a problem? I do.

Kudos to you for making the decision to get on with life though. It's all too easy to just stay at home and get fucked for some.
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Depends, if you're looking for an opiate replacement, then yes, but if you're looking for something to eliminate your social anxiety, give you a mood lift and make you feel good everyday, regardless of how much of a shit day you should be having, then it's very easy to start using daily.

For me it works as a warm blanket that insulates me from bad days and all the shit life throws at you.
 
So thats my first try of Kratom just down the hatch.

One heaped teaspoon in a rhubarb yoghurt, wasnt bad at all. I was expecting it to be alot more unpleasant. Which then promoted me to just try a teaspoon of powder straight in the mouth to see just how nasty it is. And that wasnt to bad really, the texture is obviously unpleasant but ive tasted worse, chewed it around for a bit then swallowed that and rinsed it down with a bit of water :)

I think im going to be following Kennys route and just forget the yoghurt and let the goodness go the sublingual route..=D
 
I actually rather liked the taste of kratom when I tried it. Was the hydrophobic element that I found unpleasant. I've eaten wetter sand.

I'm quite fancying another go at kratom. I do like the idea of a not especially addictive stimulating opioid. I am a tad wary of...

Mental Kenny said:
Depends, if you're looking for an opiate replacement, then yes, but if you're looking for something to eliminate your social anxiety, give you a mood lift and make you feel good everyday, regardless of how much of a shit day you should be having, then it's very easy to start using daily.

For me it works as a warm blanket that insulates me from bad days and all the shit life throws at you.
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... much of that though. I remember liking it but not being blown away. More impressed than I expected to be - especially as I had a fair opioid tolerance at the time and not a huge amount of kratom to play with. I can't really see myself becoming addicted to it - partly cos it's mail order which is tricky for maintaining an addiction (but is clearly doable so hardly a watertight argument) but mostly on price. Stuff ain't cheap from what I recall. I can't imagine it being the kinda stuff you'd be out robbing grannies to fund. Does seem to be a nice lil drug if used occasionally though. If I could keep it to that I suspect it would be fairly ideal cos I really don't want to be faffing with CWEs and online linctii to get my occasional opi-stuffs from. The sample packs thing seems a good place to start cos there are a fairly bewildering array of varieties to choose from and kinda hard to know what's suited - especially as it is kinda pricey to go wasting money on the "wrong" variety.
 
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