Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine Mega Thread and FAQ v16.0

[BlueHues]

^He's been using it that way all along, figuring out the conversion to a sublingual dose would be kind of a bitch, plus the bioavailability is about three times greater IVing it...I don't really think it's advisable for someone to switch to the IV route, unless they're working with very limited amounts of bupe, but for someone who was IVing it anyway, no point in changing horses midstream IMO...

 

[bmwdriver]

I just tried my first 2mg of buprenorphine, it was pretty nice for 4-5 hours then went away! I might have to pass on getting these again lol

 

[Ziggy stardust]

My last dose of buprenorphine IV was below 20 mcg

believe it or not I felt it because I did a gradul taper

I'm glad I did a gradual one; this time I think I can do it. Last time I didn't taper as well and it was obviously more hell on earth.

It seems jumping from any dose hurts a bit...but it's mostly mental with subs. Just know the depression and anxiety are normal in Sub WD and can last a few weeks. It sucks...but it's something you need to face to go thru.
Have you jumped off sub before?

 

[Ziggy stardust]

I have been sticking to the .25 once a day for a couple of days now. Today was a little harder being Sat. Very Bored .Was going to take another .25 in the afternoon today but stayed strong and just got a coffee. What would it be like if a Jumped in a day or two??? Or could I drop to .125??? Yesterday was the first full week without Oxycodone.Been on the low dose subs for a week now.

I'd try to get to .125 if you can...sub tapers get to a place where you are hurting just about as much as you would in acute detox. Your body will tell you when to jump. Sub detox isn't horrendous...it's just long and tiring, but you can do this!

 

[Ziggy stardust]

I just tried my first 2mg of buprenorphine, it was pretty nice for 4-5 hours then went away! I might have to pass on getting these again lol

I don't think this should turn into a anti sub thread...sub helped me get off 12 yrs of methadone and nobody can deny that it's better than shooting junk and pills and threatening your life with each fix...but when I see posts like above, I just want to scream. Why would anyone what to use sub recreationally? There's no euphoria and it's highly addictive.
So like I said...sub has it's place, but to fool around with it for no good reason is madness. It's asking to be a slave. I know this sounds dramatic..but get a solid opiate habit and STOP...no fun, no fun at all!
Stay away from sub. If you must experiment with opiates use SOAs not LAOs. But take it from someone who's been a slave to opiates for almost 30 yrs..Stay away from physically addictive drugs. Opiates and Benzos are BAD. Stick with pot and LSD. I really hate to see kids voluntarily commit to a habit! It's just stupid........sorry.

 

[Jabberwocky]

My last dose of buprenorphine IV was below 20 mcg

believe it or not I felt it because I did a gradul taper

I'm glad I did a gradual one; this time I think I can do it. Last time I didn't taper as well and it was obviously more hell on earth.

best of luck, man. I still have a VERY long way to go but I am PRAYING all goes well throughout this treatment. I am in no rush myself and have barely even tapered from the 16/MG they originally prescribed but can easily get away w/ 8-12/day. Life has been great since cutting the dope so the last thing I want/need at the moment is to drop the sub.

How long have you been on it?

 

[CMAZ68]

I'm not able to start my own blog (new) and need to post a question. I have been using 60'mg of oxycodone per day for just over three months. I tried to stop, so please don't say go cold turkey, that is no way happening. I suffer from anxiety anyway and oh my, 6 hours later I was climbing the walls. I've read about sub, and really don't think I can get to 36 hours until you can take these without having precipitated withdrawal. Please be nice. I'm not strong like most and scared to death. But I was given from a friend methadone pills and I've tried the clinic methadone and felt like they just wanted to keep increasing my dose so I would have to come back. Prior to this 31/2 month issue, I was clean for a few months and ended up with surgery and right back on. They are not mine, I now get them from a friend, the oxy. So, can anyone help with this? I've looked up and googled for over a month and get different answers. I don't wanna be on methadone long term, just to get me through oxy withdrawls and that's it. When I was on the methadone for 4 days,liquid... I had withdrawals from that, they put me on such a high dose I was nodding out all day. I think these methadone pills are 10 or 15 mg. I know they stay in your body for three days after stopping but I just don't know when to start, how to start and has anyone did this for oxycodone withdrawals? What helped.mi know there is a lot of anti methadone comments but this is all I have right now. Please let me know what worked for you,how much. And for how long I've been on the oxycodone ( short acting ) how much methadone should i take to help with withdrawals . I've heard some do it with zero wds. I just want to do it right and if someone was on a similar amount what worked for you. Short term methadone only. I don't want to be on this stuff any longer than I have to. I'm scared to all get out. So be kind please and considerate. I need to stop this crappy habit and I will do what it takes. But only have methadone pills. Can anyone let me know what worked for them in a similar situation ? Thank you

 

[mikeweld]

I see the Hardest part of this is the Energy levels. YOU HAVE TO GET THE IDEA OF DOSING FOR ENERGY out of your strategy. Being tired is OK. That is What I said to myself when I get out of work and know I am going home to 5 Children under 9 and a wife looking for me to participate in all things. Other than that I feel Fine. I take my .25 when I wake up. Yes by the end of the day I am tired with no energy. Have a Coffee or energy drink. Don't go for that second dose just to be able to feel energy. I have had NO WD,s other than tired and Lazy in the second part of the day, but use this to your advantage to get quality unassisted sleep. I have taken .25 Alarazapan. to sleep better but only when really needed. I am No expert but just giving my story.
On an other Note, my dealer is in a nightmare. He was doing 6-7 30 oxycodone's a day loosing everything. He would rely on me and others buying to support his habit. Now that I am out and another friend of mine is out he is crying to everyone and has started methadone .

 

[mikeweld]

I'm not able to start my own blog (new) and need to post a question. I have been using 60'mg of oxycodone per day for just over three months. I tried to stop, so please don't say go cold turkey, that is no way happening. I suffer from anxiety anyway and oh my, 6 hours later I was climbing the walls. I've read about sub, and really don't think I can get to 36 hours until you can take these without having precipitated withdrawal. Please be nice. I'm not strong like most and scared to death. But I was given from a friend methadone pills and I've tried the clinic methadone and felt like they just wanted to keep increasing my dose so I would have to come back. Prior to this 31/2 month issue, I was clean for a few months and ended up with surgery and right back on. They are not mine, I now get them from a friend, the oxy. So, can anyone help with this? I've looked up and googled for over a month and get different answers. I don't wanna be on methadone long term, just to get me through oxy withdrawls and that's it. When I was on the methadone for 4 days,liquid... I had withdrawals from that, they put me on such a high dose I was nodding out all day. I think these methadone pills are 10 or 15 mg. I know they stay in your body for three days after stopping but I just don't know when to start, how to start and has anyone did this for oxycodone withdrawals? What helped.mi know there is a lot of anti methadone comments but this is all I have right now. Please let me know what worked for you,how much. And for how long I've been on the oxycodone ( short acting ) how much methadone should i take to help with withdrawals . I've heard some do it with zero wds. I just want to do it right and if someone was on a similar amount what worked for you. Short term methadone only. I don't want to be on this stuff any longer than I have to. I'm scared to all get out. So be kind please and considerate. I need to stop this crappy habit and I will do what it takes. But only have methadone pills. Can anyone let me know what worked for them in a similar situation ? Thank you

LISTEN TO ME!!! You are exactly where I was last week. I also have high anxiety and tried to get off twice before I finally did it. You need to get the Suboxone. Forget methadone. you need a plan. Mine worked great!!!!.wish I could give you some of the Suboxone I have. I will be throwing a lot away. I would stabilize back on the Oxycodone for a day or two. Then Plan your exit to suboxone which I would plan your last day. I wanted to be able to sleep threw the ticking clock time so I took my last rail of oxycodone at 3pm. was fine the rest of the day.took .25 alorazapan to sleep. woke up with the running nose. was pretty normal then at 12 the cravings were very strong. at 2pm I took .5 suboxone and within half an hour I was brand new. took another .25 which now I know I did not need and went out Christmas shopping with my wife and enjoyed everything as I just had a near death experience......

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

I'm not able to start my own blog

You have to be a bluelighter to start a blog. It happens when you get to 50 posts.

 

[Not Again]

LISTEN TO ME!!!

If it were that easy. No body listens.

 

[Jabberwocky]

If it were that easy. No body listens.

haha. thats a good one. think of all the people in the world who have said "listen to me" or "you must do this". and what have we done? exactly what WE wanted to do.

 

[BlueHues]

The thing I think is funny about the whole Suboxone thing:

At one of the Suboxone places I was going to, a lot of the people there were there for pills, and they weren't even really on the pills for that long or doing that much. A lot of them had never even kicked a habit before or even experienced full-blown WDs. It's like they got caught by their doctor's taking too many, or got referred by a counselor to Suboxone treatment. A lot of these people were normal working moms who weren't ever even really involved with the whole "druggie lifestyle" at all...

So here they are on Suboxone now, taking it as prescribed....Then they decide they want to taper off. Everything's going fine with the taper. Now, most of the doctors out there's taper schedule is pretty much just drop down to 2mgs and then just stop one day! The doctor tells you, "You'll just be kind of tired and irritable for a few weeks, but that's about it"....

Now you have these people with full-time jobs who have never even really been dopesick before stopping at 2mgs and thinking they'll be able to just continue on with going to work and taking the kids to their after-school activities like it's no big deal! You're gonna tell me that going through the hell of jumping of suboxone at 2mgs is a better option than just kicking the 60mgs of hydrocodone straight up?

And here we've been on BL, knowing for years that the sub 2mg doses are where it really gets tough....How the hell is it that all these people that went through 10+ years of medical school haven't been able to figure this out? It's mind-boggling to me!

I've only kicked Suboxone once ever, in 8 years of having a legit prescription...I jumped off at 2, and I didn't sleep for 11 days....but despite how shitty I felt, I could feel my senses coming back stronger than they had been in years! I was looking at women and actually getting turned on! I could smell the grass and feel the wind and the rays of sunlight. I started to remember things from my childhood that I hadn't thought about in years. The world seemed like such a big place again with unlimited possibilities!

Maintenance can be a great tool, but nobody should sell themselves short and think, "I need to be on opiates forever and that's it!"...

You guys are really making me want to get off it again...Just 6 weeks of heroin last winter and hear I am again, scared to death to go through the withdrawals, afraid I won't be able to make it....but sooner or later that horrible feeling does subside and that sick anxiety in your chest goes away...It seems like a long time while it's happening, but in the general scheme of things, a few weeks isn't that long. It's not worth staying on the shit forever just to avoid it.

 

[Not Again]

Today I took like .35. I broke a little chip off the .5 and took the bigger part. Yesterday felt great. Today feeling good.

So far it was just getting used to the 1mg area that gave me some difficulty. I feel like I'm back in the drivers seat.

Tomorrow I might take .1 or just jump. Or just skip a day. Don't know, playing by ear. I can see the end of it though.

 

[Eveleivibe]

I'm not able to start my own blog (new) and need to post a question. I have been using 60'mg of oxycodone per day for just over three months. I tried to stop, so please don't say go cold turkey, that is no way happening. I suffer from anxiety anyway and oh my, 6 hours later I was climbing the walls. I've read about sub, and really don't think I can get to 36 hours until you can take these without having precipitated withdrawal. Please be nice. I'm not strong like most and scared to death. But I was given from a friend methadone pills and I've tried the clinic methadone and felt like they just wanted to keep increasing my dose so I would have to come back. Prior to this 31/2 month issue, I was clean for a few months and ended up with surgery and right back on. They are not mine, I now get them from a friend, the oxy. So, can anyone help with this? I've looked up and googled for over a month and get different answers. I don't wanna be on methadone long term, just to get me through oxy withdrawls and that's it. When I was on the methadone for 4 days,liquid... I had withdrawals from that, they put me on such a high dose I was nodding out all day. I think these methadone pills are 10 or 15 mg. I know they stay in your body for three days after stopping but I just don't know when to start, how to start and has anyone did this for oxycodone withdrawals? What helped.mi know there is a lot of anti methadone comments but this is all I have right now. Please let me know what worked for you,how much. And for how long I've been on the oxycodone ( short acting ) how much methadone should i take to help with withdrawals . I've heard some do it with zero wds. I just want to do it right and if someone was on a similar amount what worked for you. Short term methadone only. I don't want to be on this stuff any longer than I have to. I'm scared to all get out. So be kind please and considerate. I need to stop this crappy habit and I will do what it takes. But only have methadone pills. Can anyone let me know what worked for them in a similar situation ? Thank you

Hiya dont worry no one here is going to judge you or be unkind to you. We're all pretty much in the same boat re feeling low, not feeling strong n so forth n with support we can get through this.

Who told you that you have to wait 36 hours before taking suboxone? You have to wait until you are in moderate to severe withdrawal n if you Google the COWS scale it will explain this to you. Most of the time you induce (take your first dose of suboxone) in the doctors n are supervised. It is advised, that whatever dose you're on, you take it throughout the day for the first day to try n prevent perth WD. Often you have to wait 24 hours or summit but we're here to support you n best advice is to keep yourself as busy as possible.

I found it difficult to stop codeine n had to go on suboxone so please do not put yourself down. Cold turkey is extremely difficult n a lot of us here had to turn to suboxone as a tool to help us deal n come to terms with addiction.

You take it easy , ok. We're here for you to help you through this.

Evey x

 

[Eveleivibe]

The thing I think is funny about the whole Suboxone thing:

At one of the Suboxone places I was going to, a lot of the people there were there for pills, and they weren't even really on the pills for that long or doing that much. A lot of them had never even kicked a habit before or even experienced full-blown WDs. It's like they got caught by their doctor's taking too many, or got referred by a counselor to Suboxone treatment. A lot of these people were normal working moms who weren't ever even really involved with the whole "druggie lifestyle" at all...

So here they are on Suboxone now, taking it as prescribed....Then they decide they want to taper off. Everything's going fine with the taper. Now, most of the doctors out there's taper schedule is pretty much just drop down to 2mgs and then just stop one day! The doctor tells you, "You'll just be kind of tired and irritable for a few weeks, but that's about it"....

Now you have these people with full-time jobs who have never even really been dopesick before stopping at 2mgs and thinking they'll be able to just continue on with going to work and taking the kids to their after-school activities like it's no big deal! You're gonna tell me that going through the hell of jumping of suboxone at 2mgs is a better option than just kicking the 60mgs of hydrocodone straight up?

And here we've been on BL, knowing for years that the sub 2mg doses are where it really gets tough....How the hell is it that all these people that went through 10+ years of medical school haven't been able to figure this out? It's mind-boggling to me!

I've only kicked Suboxone once ever, in 8 years of having a legit prescription...I jumped off at 2, and I didn't sleep for 11 days....but despite how shitty I felt, I could feel my senses coming back stronger than they had been in years! I was looking at women and actually getting turned on! I could smell the grass and feel the wind and the rays of sunlight. I started to remember things from my childhood that I hadn't thought about in years. The world seemed like such a big place again with unlimited possibilities!

Maintenance can be a great tool, but nobody should sell themselves short and think, "I need to be on opiates forever and that's it!"...

You guys are really making me want to get off it again...Just 6 weeks of heroin last winter and hear I am again, scared to death to go through the withdrawals, afraid I won't be able to make it....but sooner or later that horrible feeling does subside and that sick anxiety in your chest goes away...It seems like a long time while it's happening, but in the general scheme of things, a few weeks isn't that long. It's not worth staying on the shit forever just to avoid it.

I thought sub withdrawal was no energy n irritability. Is there more to it then? I'm one of those mams. But there is reason why I went this route? I was not ready to come off codeine n my family were forcing me off it. I was completely physically n psychologically addicted but mostly psychologically addicted n the idea was unbearable. I actually HATED my loved ones n rember telling someone who had recently lost a family member that they were lucky. That's how screwed up codeine had made me. It was also cripling my financially, I was losing my studies all of it. I had to go to my famy every time I needed a dose for my taper. I had tried to withdraw many times n just lost my motivation for anything in life was lying thinking about codeine, longing for it like I'd jist lost the love of my life or something.
I contacted my local drugs n alcohol team n asked for suboxone as a friend told me she'd been on it for over four years after codeine addiction n it saved her.
Suboxone has given me my life back. In fact last noghy for the first time I'd had a dream of using codeine in months.
Sorry I've wrote a novel here haha but what I'm saying is suboxone isn't just about stopping physical withdrawal there are other reasons for its use.

HOWEVER, in terms of just dishing out suboxone to anyone who has NEVER experienced withdrawal, tried to get off or who may just be taking say 4 or 5 pills then yes I agree with you n I believe that doctors should not stop people on 2mg I was not aware that they did that.

Evey

 

[BlueHues]

^Don't worry, all my posts are novels in case you haven't noticed!

It's a tough call to say whether or not someone should be on suboxone. I definitely works in the short term and saves lives. On the other hand it reinforces the physiological dependency to opiates something fierce!

If you don't mind being physically dependent on opiates, I guess there really isn't much of a downside to it, but for those of us that have found themselves "stuck" on maintenance for years and have also had "clean time" off everything...well, I guess we're a little more jaded.

I literally can't believe I'm 37...Opiates I believe have definitely prevented me from aging, maybe it has to do with hormone production.

I feel like I've been frozen cryogenically for years! I have a hard time remembering the years I was on maintenance the most, and the years I was off maintenance I was much more productive and happy.

I guess the worst downside of it is, is that everyone seems to end up on it WAY longer than they want to be. If I can manage to kick it this spring, it will be over a year that I'm on it again...All I wanted to do was use it for detox...It's just so fucking easy to keep taking it!

 

[Not Again]

^Don't worry, all my posts are novels in case you haven't noticed!

It's a tough call to say whether or not someone should be on suboxone. I definitely works in the short term and saves lives. On the other hand it reinforces the physiological dependency to opiates something fierce!

If you don't mind being physically dependent on opiates, I guess there really isn't much of a downside to it, but for those of us that have found themselves "stuck" on maintenance for years and have also had "clean time" off everything...well, I guess we're a little more jaded.

I literally can't believe I'm 37...Opiates I believe have definitely prevented me from aging, maybe it has to do with hormone production.

I feel like I've been frozen cryogenically for years! I have a hard time remembering the years I was on maintenance the most, and the years I was off maintenance I was much more productive and happy.

I guess the worst downside of it is, is that everyone seems to end up on it WAY longer than they want to be. If I can manage to kick it this spring, it will be over a year that I'm on it again...All I wanted to do was use it for detox...It's just so fucking easy to keep taking it!

I'm 38 and I look 30 ish. I get carded for lottery tickets. lol

I haven't been on opiates very long only 2.5 yrs but I did crystal meth for a good while. while people think it ages you it did the opposite for me. I just had some dental problems. Lost 2 back teeth after a decade of meth. Now I have some bad ass implants that can crush a freekin can. I so glad for those guys.

I believe it's gotta have something to do with your genes.
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I only took very little sub .35 ish and I was ok today. The hardest part was from 2mg to 1 mg. so far. No issues anymore. I'm sure I can't have very much bupe in me now.

today .35 yesterday .5 day before 1 mg before that 1mg and 1mg prior to that I must be under 1 mg or close to it. Hard to keep track of the half lifes.

 

[BlueHues]

^You're in good shape I'd say!

 

[Ziggy stardust]

The thing I think is funny about the whole Suboxone thing:

At one of the Suboxone places I was going to, a lot of the people there were there for pills, and they weren't even really on the pills for that long or doing that much. A lot of them had never even kicked a habit before or even experienced full-blown WDs. It's like they got caught by their doctor's taking too many, or got referred by a counselor to Suboxone treatment. A lot of these people were normal working moms who weren't ever even really involved with the whole "druggie lifestyle" at all...

So here they are on Suboxone now, taking it as prescribed....Then they decide they want to taper off. Everything's going fine with the taper. Now, most of the doctors out there's taper schedule is pretty much just drop down to 2mgs and then just stop one day! The doctor tells you, "You'll just be kind of tired and irritable for a few weeks, but that's about it"....

Now you have these people with full-time jobs who have never even really been dopesick before stopping at 2mgs and thinking they'll be able to just continue on with going to work and taking the kids to their after-school activities like it's no big deal! You're gonna tell me that going through the hell of jumping of suboxone at 2mgs is a better option than just kicking the 60mgs of hydrocodone straight up?

And here we've been on BL, knowing for years that the sub 2mg doses are where it really gets tough....How the hell is it that all these people that went through 10+ years of medical school haven't been able to figure this out? It's mind-boggling to me!

I've only kicked Suboxone once ever, in 8 years of having a legit prescription...I jumped off at 2, and I didn't sleep for 11 days....but despite how shitty I felt, I could feel my senses coming back stronger than they had been in years! I was looking at women and actually getting turned on! I could smell the grass and feel the wind and the rays of sunlight. I started to remember things from my childhood that I hadn't thought about in years. The world seemed like such a big place again with unlimited possibilities!

Maintenance can be a great tool, but nobody should sell themselves short and think, "I need to be on opiates forever and that's it!"...

You guys are really making me want to get off it again...Just 6 weeks of heroin last winter and hear I am again, scared to death to go through the withdrawals, afraid I won't be able to make it....but sooner or later that horrible feeling does subside and that sick anxiety in your chest goes away...It seems like a long time while it's happening, but in the general scheme of things, a few weeks isn't that long. It's not worth staying on the shit forever just to avoid it.

You write great posts, Blue. Very insightful and very smart.
You've been thru WD...you know what to expect. The mental part is definitely the worst part. I'm sure you'll be successful when you decide to quit. I think you just get to a place where opiates just don't do much anymore...and are a hassle and expense that you want to live without. And your right...committing to four to six weeks of shittyness to be done with it is hard..but well worth it.