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SpecialK_ said:
This has pretty much been my experience with them too. I've never came across one that I would say deserves the right to do what they do. About 3 years ago a group of them parked their caravan right outside the City Centre and caused havoc for days. Obviously they could stay there until they were moved on and thanks to the way things it work it took about a week or two. They ran about calling people spawn of the devil, pick pocketing, vandalising and from common stereotype of them being people who aren't afraid to flash their knives people weren't able to do anything. Of course they got poor treatment back, every night their back windows were smashed but then again it was asked for and what would they expect doing something like that in a place with paramilitaries.

I hate all this Big Fat Gypsy Wedding shite too, although entertaining to watch on TV I think it's a real biased (positive view on Gypsys) and half the shit that's said is all for the cameras. Then again most other TV shows are similar, but I think it's stuff like this that has made people more supportive of them in the Dale Farm incident. Nobody else gets so many warnings or such kind treatment and for the havoc they as a group (if you could call them that) cause makes it even more of a reason to not warn them. I wonder how much trouble they've caused in that area in the past few years because even if they move in round your local area here for a month you'd have to nail everything to the floor.
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This reminds me of when they came to my town when I was younger and took over the playing fields. We had to cancel sports day lol. Then there were several brawls in the local clubs. To top it all off they asked my friend for 'a go' on his bike, he said nah, and they just smashed him in the face and rode off on it. They also failed to get through a bike that was locked up with a D Lock so they decided they'd just take the seat and buckle the wheels. The field they left was covered in burning piles of litter, tons of human and animal shit, and had basically been turned into a mud pit by the time they left. And they were only there for 2-4 weeks!
 
SamhainGrim said:
Stereotyping again? I know some right nasty CC members. You wouldn't believe it. Proper thieves.
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I suppose you didn't think my example of stereotyping being useful was valid? Do you think it would be clever for a gay couple to kiss each other in an area that has a high density of Muslims for instance? Or that if you are going to meet a hench drug dealer for the first time, it might not be a good idea to start taking the piss out of him like you would a mate? For all you know after a few deals it could materialise that he is a sound guy (in all likelyhood it probably will), but you'd have to be retarded to joke around him surely?

Using stereotypes of certain people on this forum I figured out before I even wrote that I didn't like gypsies I was going to get flack, and that it wasn't a good idea to post it. Perhaps I should have stereotyped you and saved us all this bother ;)
 
Jesus, you're persistent.

It's hard enough for two gay people to kiss in public in a majority non-Muslim area, but it's telling that you single out Muslims as intolerant.

If you want to prove or disprove the above then you're welcome to come on a gay kiss tour of the UK, where we'll visit several areas with different ethnic and religious makeup, get kissing and gauge their resepctive reactions. ;)
 
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SamhainGrim said:
Jesus, you're persistent.

It's hard enough for two gay people to kiss in public in a majority non-Muslim area, but it's telling that you single out Muslims as intolerant.

If you want to prove or disprove the above then you're welcome to come on a gay kiss tour of the UK, where we'll visit several areas with different ethnic and religious makeup, get kissing and gauge their resepctive reactions. ;)
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I actually agree with you on this specific post Sam... however the stereotyping thing still applies in his example. Through stereotyping people I know for a fact that two gay guys would be more likely to get away with openly kissing each other in public in the west end of Glasgow than they would in Bridgeton for example. None of the posh studenty/arty folk in the west end would care. The hardcore Rangers top wearing, Red Hand waving bams in Bridgeton would. I don't know that because I have done a survey, I know it because I have stereotyped people, but I am right.
 
I'm inclined to think you're right as it happens. Though we both agree tolerance is to do with outlook, not ethnicity or even necessarily the culture you're born into.

I once got called a 'queer' by someone in the area I grew up in (almost 100% white, nominally Christian) when I was walking around hand-in hand with my girlfriend of the time. Some people just want something to hate or feel superior to.
 
SamhainGrim said:
Jesus, you're persistent.

It's hard enough for two gay people to kiss in public in a majority non-Muslim area, but it's telling that you single out Muslims as intolerant.

If you want to prove or disprove the above then you're welcome to come on a gay kiss tour of the UK, where we'll visit several areas with different ethnic and religious makeup, get kissing and gauge their resepctive reactions. ;)
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I don't for a second think they would have a much easier time in say the Bridgeton area of Glasgow as PTCH said... I only used Muslim areas as an example because they are the areas that seem to have seen massive spikes in 'gay bashing' incidents in recent years. Maybe it's something to do with the culture of their respective native countries? But hey, all cultures are equal. Who are we to say that it's wrong to behead homosexuals!? Lets all stop being so intolerant to those gay bashers.

I'm sorry that my example offended you, but even the Guardian seems to agree with me in their polls, which state 100% of Muslims in this country have zero tolerance of homosexuality:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality

Either way - using stereotypes as a gay person can save your life in a variety of situations.
 
You haven't offended me, MSB. No worries. I just wanted to air my view on the subject for the purposes of civilised debate.

Intolerance breeds intolerance, essentially. Though stereotyping one religion or culture ulimately does nothing to promote understanding.
 
SamhainGrim said:
I would've expected a little more understanding of alternative lifestyles here and a little less stereotyping.
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biggest misconception about alt/niche forums EVA, Sir

over the years I've posted at hardcore porn forums, trollboards, anti-govnt forums, you name it ... and I've made the same assumption myself numerous times until it became apparent that it's sadly not true. niche communities tend to be the worst for 'herding' in my experience and something that borders on incredulous to me really. Yeah, it chaps my hide too ... different groups 'understanding' and 'connecting' via seemingly related principles in ideologies isn't commonplace. and those who think they possess the 'broadest' of minds, are very often in possession of exactly the opposite. fucking sad.

Anyone can take the time to form an opinion and have 'beliefs' and think theyre this or that. but you can normally sort the men from the boys when you cross-reference their 'value' systems with all their other fundamental beliefs [and opinions] and on all the separate topics a person holds an opinion on. it's very often full of glaring inconsistencies across key values, and it's pretty indicative of ideas generated by lack of critical thought and knowledge of the subject matter, with a heap of assumptions as conclusion.

<3 some of the comments you've been making in this thread Sam, and Kudos to you for taking the time to type it all out.
 
Marmalade said:
biggest misconception about alt/niche forums EVA, Sir

over the years I've posted at hardcore porn forums, trollboards, anti-govnt forums, you name it ... and I've made the same assumption myself numerous times until it became apparent that it's sadly not true. niche communities tend to be the worst for 'herding' in my experience and something that borders on incredulous to me really. Yeah, it chaps my hide too ... different groups 'understanding' and 'connecting' via seemingly related principles in ideologies isn't commonplace. and those who think they possess the 'broadest' of minds, are very often in possession of exactly the opposite. fucking sad.

Anyone can take the time to form an opinion and have 'beliefs' and think theyre this or that. but you can normally sort the men from the boys when you cross-reference their 'value' systems with all their other fundamental beliefs [and opinions] and on all the separate topics a person holds an opinion on. it's very often full of glaring inconsistencies across key values, and it's pretty indicative of ideas generated by lack of critical thought and knowledge of the subject matter, with a heap of assumptions as conclusion.

<3 some of the comments you've been making in this thread Sam, and Kudos to you for taking the time to type it all out.
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May I ask what makes you so sure that Sam has gone through the rigorous process you have outlined? Or is it just the fact that he has agreed with your viewpoint that makes you think he has? I haven't made any assumption that every gypsy is a theif, benefit reliant etc. I have only said they as a sub group of the population disproportionately steal way more than everyone else, cause more trouble than anyone else, and cost the collective society way more than anyone else. Every gypsy I meet gets a fresh slate, I don't presume anything about anyone when I meet them because they happen to be part of a particular group. This may be an alt/niche forum but there is no inconsitency in enjoying using drugs and disliking travellers. And my beliefs are broadly consistent with each other, I believe in personal freedom and not being forced to do anything by others - this means that certain groups don't place excessive burdens on those around them, because that would severely limit and intrude on other's personal freedom.

I find it quite arrogant to run around telling others that they have put a lack of critical thinking into their beliefs and viewpoints when you don't really know them or anything about them other than the fact they don't agree with you.
 
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I've just had a bash at the bench press and tried on my new jacket, I'll be looking swish as fuck for the weekend. Shame my mate who's house we were scheduled to be partying in is in hospital with a kidney infection, hope she's alright. Sure the party will still take place somewhere else. Gotta try remain semi sensible as I'm ment to be taking this bird out on Sunday night and I'm hoping to speak to my old boss about getting my job back on Monday!

Your a braver man than I Acidtek, mines getting the flush treatment or given away, stuff is shyyyyyyyyt.
 
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