Your philosophy on tipping?

[MynameisnotDeja]

My whole problem with it is that there are a zillion other jobs, JUST as TOUGH, JUST as annoying, and you get paid JUST as little for, yet tipping is never expected at those jobs. I think it's a good thing to do, just should not be expected. If I think it's expected it makes me NOT wanna leave a tip.

 

[Cyc]

My whole problem with it is that there are a zillion other jobs, JUST as TOUGH, JUST as annoying, and you get paid JUST as little for...

Well, that's not true. There are jobs just as tough/stressful/frantic but none pay as little as a server's base wage. (Mexico notwithstanding.)

I find as jobs go, there's an inverse work to pay ratio where the less you work, the more you're paid.

 

[keystroke]

My whole problem with it is that there are a zillion other jobs, JUST as TOUGH, JUST as annoying, and you get paid JUST as little for, yet tipping is never expected at those jobs. I think it's a good thing to do, just should not be expected. If I think it's expected it makes me NOT wanna leave a tip.

agreed, I hate people that expect a tip or even go as far as to ASK for a tip...




here's a tip, get a better employer.

 

[Finder]

Did you miss my post on the previous page, keystroke?

Originally posted by MynameisnotDeja
My whole problem with it is that there are a zillion other jobs, JUST as TOUGH, JUST as annoying, and you get paid JUST as little for, yet tipping is never expected at those jobs. I think it's a good thing to do, just should not be expected. If I think it's expected it makes me NOT wanna leave a tip.

Tell me another job where you're paid under minimum wage and rely on tips to bring your income to a reasonable level. I fail to see how the concept of tipping is hard to understand. Basing a server's income off of tips ensures quality of service to a guest. If every server made a set wage they wouldn't give a flying fuck if you wanted a refill on your coke. You're tipping someone who is taking care of every need you have while dining. It's part of the whole experience.

 

[staind rose]

My whole problem with it is that there are a zillion other jobs, JUST as TOUGH, JUST as annoying, and you get paid JUST as little for, yet tipping is never expected at those jobs. I think it's a good thing to do, just should not be expected. If I think it's expected it makes me NOT wanna leave a tip.

so i should be happy making 2.19 an hour minus taxes? and working my ass off dealing with uh, people like you (you being anyone who doesn't think they should have to leave a tip for good service)?

maybe if you can't afford or don't get the concept of tipping, stay home.

 

[keystroke]

maybe if you can't afford or don't get the concept of tipping, stay home.

that is complete bullshit, you have a job because you need one - if it's such a low-paying job find another one,


a quick google and I found this;

A man from the New York City area was arrested Sunday after his party of nine failed to leave an 18 percent tip, the restaurant's mandatory gratuity for parties of six or more people, which had been added to his bill.

The diner, Humberto A. Taveras, 41, was arrested, fingerprinted and photographed for a mug shot in this resort village an hour's drive north of Albany, N.Y., but he did not produce the $13.73 tip to the $77.43 cost of his meal. He faces a misdemeanor charge of theft of services and, if convicted, could serve up to a year in jail, said Larry J. Cleveland, the Warren County sheriff.

Joe Soprano, who owns the restaurant, said that he and his wife, Tina, had not intended to have Taveras arrested when they filed the complaint. But Soprano was unapologetic on Friday.

''They shorted the check and didn't leave any money at all for the waitress,'' he said. ''This is not a vendetta. This is just about standing up for my waitresses.''

what bloody rubbish, arrested and could serve one year in jail because he didn't pay extra for a meal? that is the biggest load of crap I've ever read.

 

[keystroke]

you don't see anyone going to MCdonalds and tipping the servers there... why you ask is that acceptable while the other isn't?


tipping should be optional, never expected....


*edit* just to comment on your post, Finder;

having a job in the first place means you'll be looking after every need of the customer - that's what a waitress or waiter does - if you think you're not gonna get a tip so you just stop working is acceptable - you'll have your arse fired in no time.



pleasing and serving the customer is what you're employed to do, the customer is there to buy FOOD and not to pay someones rent....

 

[Finder]

The McDonald's arguement is so old and tiresome. They are not servers. Fast food workers are not refilling your drink, bringing you extra ketchup, boxing up your leftovers, et cetera while you sit on your ass. 99% of the time, someone rings you up, and some other McD monkey makes your shitty sandwich, another McD monkey bags it and hands it to you. Why do people always try to make the correlation between fast food workers and waiter/waitresses? 8(

You keep saying "find another job that pays more." Do you not understand that basically ALL waiter/waitress jobs in the US are structured this way? The majority of a server's wage in the US is dependent on tips. I know it's different in other countries, but that is the way things are here. You tip your server. It's optional, of course, but you're a huge fucking asshole if you don't leave any tip.

 

[Cyc]

Keystroke, you're entitled to an opinion but you're wrong.

if you think you're not gonna get a tip so you just stop working is acceptable - you'll have your arse fired in no time.

If servers just magically stopped getting tips, they'd quit before they got fired. Then restaurant owners would raise wages (to about $12 an hour) to get them back, and the price of food would go up ATLEAST 15% to compensate for the higher wages.

Either way, you'd have to pay it.

Not only that, but I guarantee that your quality of service would go down and the expectations of the customer would lower because they have no monetary clout through which to demand it.

This would lead to the server doing the minimum required to make their boss happy, since it's the company who is paying the rent now.

 

[staind rose]

pleasing and serving the customer is what you're employed to do, the customer is there to buy FOOD and not to pay someones rent....

if you want to buy FOOD then go to a GROCERY STORE. or order pizza. or get fast food. if you want to go out to eat, get waited on, and cleaned up after, then you pay for it.


so servers should be homeless? you pay everyone elses rent by paying prices that pay their wages, but not servers?

 

[keystroke]

as has been stated before, I've got a job and I work for people - I serve customers and I do jobs for customers - why is it ok for you to get tips and not me ?

I could care less about tips, me living in a country that doesn't tip is just re-imbursting this fact - perhaps your country is doing wrong by all of you for not having decent wages - then again - maybe its because no one complains about it that it is so low.


this arguement is only going in circles, I can add nothing more than what I've already added.

 

[randycaver]

I dont know, there are plenty of people who make really good tips - and a really good living. It works out for some, but not for the mom with a 3rd job working at Dennys.

I know quite a few bartenders and waitresses who are making lots of $$, buying new cars, houses, etc.

 

[Benefit]

so i should be happy making 2.19 an hour minus taxes? and working my ass off dealing with uh, people like you (you being anyone who doesn't think they should have to leave a tip for good service)?

maybe if you can't afford or don't get the concept of tipping, stay home.

She lives in California, so when she said they get paid just as little as everyone else working shit jobs, she's talking about minimum wage, not the 2.18 an hour you're talking about.

So again, you've all conveniently ignored me. If a waitress or waiter is making a regular hourly wage, as they do in California, is a tip still required?

 

[Petersko]

Required? No it is not required. You can leave no tip at all and you won't be arrested for theft.

However, whether you agree with it or not, in North America tipping is expected.

 

[Doooofus]

Hmmm.... usually whenever I tip it's just the change from whatever note I use to pay for the meal. No more, no less. If that's not good enough, get another job. I came for the food, not for the service... fair enough, if you astound me with your waiting services, you will get a good tip, but seriously, the majority of wait staff at the places I go to are pimply teenagers that are making some pocket money to spend on drugs or whatever... they don't need my tip, or even necessarily deserve my tip. If you earn it, you will get it. If not, don't expect much.

Does that make me a bad person?

 

[Benefit]

Right, but the prevailing argument seems to be that tips supplement the regular hourly wage, which in my state is not true. Therefore, doesn't that debunk the whole argument? If you are making a regular hourly wage (often better than minimum wage), and still demanding or expecting a tip, aren't you just being greedy?

 

[Doooofus]

I guess this whole situation may be different in Australia, where I'm from. As I understand it, tipping is an additional bonus to the hourly wage you get paid in Australia. I can think of many different jobs where you get a worse base rate of pay than waiting... in Aus at least. Perhaps I should stay outta this

 

[Finder]

As far as people chiming in from Aus and other countries, obviously we're not going to have any common ground on this subject. As Petersko said, in North America, tipping is customary. In Aus, it's not. Pretty straightforward, really.

Originally posted by Benefit
Right, but the prevailing argument seems to be that tips supplement the regular hourly wage, which in my state is not true. Therefore, doesn't that debunk the whole argument? If you are making a regular hourly wage (often better than minimum wage), and still demanding or expecting a tip, aren't you just being greedy?

Do you know if this is true for every restaurant in California? Is it state mandate that servers make minimum wage throughout the state?

 

[Benefit]

Yup, it's a state labor law.

 

[Finder]

I still think tipping is applicable. Of course, the cost of living in California is dramatically higher than most other states...you'd get paid more working at a Burger King in CA than you would at a Burger King in Kentucky. Therefore, I really don't see the rationale behind your argument.

Unless you're working at some shitty greasy spoon, serving can be a viable job and if you work at a nice enough restaurant you can do very well for yourself. It's definitely a better job than stocking shelves at a grocery store or flipping burgers at McDonald's. I think kyk summed up the reasoning behind tipping well.

Maybe Aus is just SO ADVANCED they've done away with tipping...Do you tip anyone? Cab drivers? Bell hops? Limo drivers? Bartenders? I'd just chaulk it up as a custom we have here in North America. Keystroke, your philosophy maybe correct in your country, but you're definitely in the wrong here. *shrug*