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.Lucid. said:
again, why would you assume that im confusing a transcendent experience for "holy shit I'm tripping balls, I've never felt this good before!!!!!" seriously? why would you make that assumption? youre going to quantify the level of profundity of my psychedelic experiences? yea ok.

trying to quantify the unquantifiable makes no sense and misses the entire point. im going to add a level to the scale.. +5. no one's had a +5, IN FACT, no one even knows what a +5 is until theyve had it and i've approved their method of achieving a "+5." lol fuck that.
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because a transcendental experience does not happen everyday, and its bullshit to assume you can reach a truly life changing experience with every dose of MDMA + LSD. Its insane to assume you can get that even with 100+mg of DMT every time you dose it. It just doesn't happen. There has to be something more than being blown out of this world. Especially when you have a revelation, the revelation becomes the opposite of what it once was, as you can't disclose an idea, that has already been found. Now granted, you could have many, many things to mull over, but I bet you that you can not find a riveting revelation every single time you choose your instant ++++ mixture.

Your right I don't know your exact experience, but from all your posts in this thread as well as the above statement, I believe your just full of shit. For the sake of clarity and conciseness, I'm choosing to be a bit pretentious, as well as, I'm tired of people bullshiting their own experiences. The value of the psychedelic experience and your introspective thoughts do not necessarily have to correlate with a ++++.

Also learn the difference between quantify and qualify. One describes quantity, and one describes quality (I can't believe i'm explaining this)
 
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lol and why am i full of shit? seriously cause i dont understand.

i didnt realize that transcendence has to include some kind of personal revelation.. although they do often go hand and hand. and AGAIN youve failed to read my quote properly.. i said all of my transcendent experiences have been with the same substances, i didnt say that it had happened everytime.

by quantify i mean assessing the level of transcendence. which would be, of course, silly. so i dunno man maybe we're just not on the same page with this. i know what i mean by transcendence but maybe you have some different ideas as to what i know about it and what it actually is lol.
 
jesus christ, try and learn the correct usage of quantify!!! you continually use that when the appropriate word is qualify.

Maybe I misunderstood you. I assumed you were talking about the combo of lsd and mdma always taking you to a ++++. I have no doubt in that combos ability to be able to reach such states, but a high frequency of achieving that state with the combo seems very very unlikely.
 
i gotcha, i was thinking quantify like a quantity of +'s haha. =D



but why do you doubt the ability of candy flipping to produce consistent experiences of transcendence? lsd alone can repeatedly induce transcendence in high doses.. for me anyway.

or i guess youre saying that ++++ is transcendence plus some sort of life changing personal revelation..?
 
I think it is pretty much impossible to dive into the realm of ++++ on any drug, for the reason you stated ("or i guess youre saying that ++++ is transcendence plus some sort of life changing personal revelation..? "). The experience to make some sort of revelation in your life, or impact you in a way you never imagined. Like shulgin says, it transcends all the other levels of the scale. These experiences are ones that are beyond the scope of even unbridled eyes. Even with a ++++ under your belt, the idea of ++++ experience continues to lay itself as a mystery as everyone (the experience) is unique.
 
Cloudy said:
because a transcendental experience does not happen everyday, and its bullshit to assume you can reach a truly life changing experience with every dose of MDMA + LSD. Its insane to assume you can get that even with 100+mg of DMT every time you dose it. It just doesn't happen. There has to be something more than being blown out of this world. Especially when you have a revelation, the revelation becomes the opposite of what it once was, as you can't disclose an idea, that has already been found. Now granted, you could have many, many things to mull over, but I bet you that you can not find a riveting revelation every single time you choose your instant ++++ mixture.
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I'd like to point out that you're reinforcing my point about novelty playing a large part in the ++++ experience.
 
^ is that part of the definition though? cause it seems opened to interpretation.. its not really clear to me that novelty is a standard of a "+4" experience.

by transcendence i mean ego loss and cosmic oneness, realizing god. after the initial time i experienced it my entire life was shifted in every possible way. but i guess i would say all subsequent experiences are just expansions of this original experience.

i mean once you realize the truth you cant go back and unknow it and realize it again.. so by the standards you guys are suggesting, i would consider a ++++ to be a one time only thing i guess..? if the scale is a measure of transcendence by my definition then most of my candy flipping experiences would be +4.. but none can live up to the life changing effects of the ONE i have in mind.

either way, candy flipping is awesome and i totally recommend it! lol
 
100mg IM methoxetamine. Definite +4. Today I will be trying the same with 25mg 4-ho-MET thrown in for good measure...
 
abrad84 said:
100mg IM methoxetamine. Definite +4. Today I will be trying the same with 25mg 4-ho-MET thrown in for good measure...
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Tread carefully mate. A person have already died from IV/IM methoxetamine with some other substance.

Just want to let you know. Stay safe and happy holidays! :)
 
This thread is not even funny anymore...

yesterday i had a ++++ experience after smoking some good weed :)

I was praying for my family, friends and the whole universe of which they are part as a temporary manifestation... then i asked for help with being more able to show humbleness in my daily life, as a reaction to this cognitive process my whole body started feeling warm and filled with light, i became ecstatic and a small, knowing grin found its way on my face :)

The frequency (energy) that you tune in when having a ++++ is always there, you just need to learn how to find your way to it... meditation / prayer are more essential to ++++ states than the substance... set & setting ;)

i wish i could put it a little better into words, but i'm quite high and english is only a 2nd language to me...

i wish you all may find your way one day into the ++++ state :)
 
Thank you Mr Toad :)
I'm not usually one for trip reports, I find it quite difficult to describe the indescribable as it were ;)
 
I think the shulgin scale is far to vague to really encompass what happens when any dose is working itself on you, all what we are trying to describe is subjective and when i'm about "this high" I call it a "+4"

and for the sake of throwing heat onto the arguement... i've had a wicked past life identity and self-discovery +4 trip on tons of mdma and a little mushrooms, it's extreme serotonergic action on some level that gets one to these levels that we experience and not the pretentions towards the importance of certain drugs over others as more valueable or more powerful or more present than other drugs.

If we wanted to get really uptight here we would have a whole subgroup of people stating fervently that only "3 well timed smoked DMT pulls can get one to a true +4"

think about it, wev'e all heard mckennas description, and i've seen some elves! but I haven;t smoked any DMT yet, although he said the mushrooms can do it too... it's all based on what one has seen and defines as the deepest depths of the human experience... I must have more to discover!
 
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