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Your +4 Recipes

pisspotnrock said:
when you say you did a tripple nang, was it in one of them cream dispensers? i just got mine working and found somewhere close to get some cheap boxs. You know if you can crack more than one into the bottles for one dose??
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Yeah you can get about 3 in there before I reckon it gets pretty full. Anymore than 5-6 and I'd be scared it'd pop! Lol.

/back on topic...
 
15+mg 4-aco-dmt plugged and repeated nitrous. Smearing into rainbows, becoming a consciousness massaged by giant tentacles, and the classic "blackouts" where you have no idea what happened but you know you were completely and utterly not an abore.
 
39 mgs of 4-aco-dmt + lots of big bumps of ketamine did it for me.

First ++++ I ever had was on an eyeballed amount of 2C-E, it was my very first ever research chemical trip. We didn't have a scale at that time, so we licked tiny amounts of 2C-E off the tip of needle nose tweezers for many hours until we were at a sufficiently psychedelic place...ohhh those days....
 
I agree with previous posters; I think alot of people underestimate what a true ++++ is. I have been at +3.5, but never at +4. Iprocin + 5-meo-dmt combo got me close, so did my first time with DPT and my first acid trip.
 
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I see what you're all trying to say..but I think a (++++) is such a personal and subjective experience and by saying that others haven't really had the real experience is nonsense. Because my perception of a (++++) may vary from your perception of a (++++) experience.
 
Only if you haven't had a true ++++.


There's no denying it once you've experienced it.
 
im surprised no ones mentioned candy flipping.. all of my +4 experiences have been with lsd and mdma in combination.

lsd + xtc + thc = GOD
 
I never fully understood Shulgin's scale. In my opinion, experiences below ++ are quite rare with common dosages of common psychedelics on the RC market.

And I have yet to have +4 experience...
 
allium the shulgin scale was made for chemicals that had never been bioassayed before

he didn't know the common dosages, so it was wise to start very small and work his way up

if you take a recreational dose you obviously should get past a + :)
 
^ Yes, sure, and he took chemicals that are inactive.
However, most people taking psychedelics aren't researchers. And I think that trip from recreational dose must be at least +2. Wouldn't we need some other scale? It is more of a rethorical question, of course.
 
Well, if someone is rating chemicals they know for a fact are active a + is never going to happen on the Shulgin scale (if you take more then a threshold dose) - you are right that a recreational dose will always get you to a ++

A more accurate scale could be written to indicate levels of effects, I personally never use the Shulgin scale but he gives a good description of a ++++ so it is useful in this particular conversation
 
This might not be to conventional but I've had a very powerful "I am the everything I am god" spiritual connection trip while on LSD and methsacy (Methamphetamine pressed into caps and sold as MDMA) it was a very memorable experience and it effects my philosophy and always will to this day. About chaos and how structure and form is just an attempt at chaos, chaos is the blank slate of all being and structure is what fills it... words do no justice but I discovered that we are beings perceiving great insights from through an animal body and these insights increase or further oneself, these insights are the purpose to life and advancement, not evolution, human development.
 
I have had several +4 experiences on mushrooms (plus cannabis).
I had one on ayahuasca.
This is out of around 100 psychedelic experiences, including one long-term effort to self-analyze and heal by experiencing high-dose mushrooms every weekend for several months.
LSD, LSA, mescaline, 2c-i, and smoked DMT never got me to the magical +4.

I believe that mushrooms seem far easier than LSD to use to achieve a +4.
Mushrooms are spiritual for me, whereas LSD is psychological. (Simplifying, of course)
 
psilocybonaut said:
Yes you absolutely can in some circumstances. Abso-fuckin-lutely. Why would it be transcendental or life changing if you couldn't remember anything? a ++++ is not just being "really fucked up" dude

I find it extremely hard to believe that everyone on this thread has had a true ++++ (you may think you have). Very doubtful, as they are extremely rare. I've known so many people, in reality, who find out what a ++++ is and quickly say they had one because they had a "spiritual experience". A ++++ is when you are elevated to the level of a God and you KNOW KNOW KNOW when you've had one, you'll wake up in hysteric tears. They don't just come regularly or even semi-regularly. I'll be the first to admit that I know I have not had a true one. +3.5, many times. ++++, no, even though i have experimented with high doses and low doses of 100s of RCs and LSD and DMT etc etc etc.

I have heard that ++++s on LSD are somewhat uncommon.

I know I haven't had one because I have seen one. It's not just an intense experience. My friend, after 25mg 4-ACO-DMT IV, definitely had a ++++. He was "out" on my bed during the peak, and when he woke up he was hysterically crying for like six hours, in awe of the beauty. Describes being led to a golden Aztec temple by "living plants", and when he got in the temple he was blinded by white light... Soon things cleared up and he says there were yellow "bird people" flying around him with a "flame-like" energy encompassing the whole temple. He says he found he was able to control the music and the imagery with his head, and he felt the bird people were worshipping him (like it was a ritual for him), said he was elevated to the level of Jesus or Buddha. We have consumed lots of psychedelics for the past 7 years and that is the only one I have seen (besides a crazy 5-meo-dmt experience where someone had to be subdued....not sure if that was or not).
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Yea,I second this...for me it happened a couple of times,everytime on a 4th plateau DXM trip,with some thc on top ofc . To put it simply,i was catapulted into space,being able to see the whole world from a top view,and feeling..well,feeling its not the right word...i was god.Felt an amazing spark of godness deep inside me,something that took me out of this world,and on to a massive scale space,where i could feel the whole energy running through me.Could also be influenced by the known egocentricity of dissociatives as well,but its a really unique find inside your mind,a place you have to learn the ways to get to.
 
slimvictor said:
I have had several +4 experiences on mushrooms (plus cannabis).
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Several +4's off the same substance? I find that hard to believe. I know I will never be able to go back to the ++++ place I once reached on mushrooms. It's the main reason I haven't touched them in months even though I grow them. Sort of....squeezed out all the juice if you will.

One of the main things that gives you a ++++ is the sheer novelty of what you are experiencing. If you ever go back to that place, it's just a revisiting and the shiny newness won't be there.

I mean... "...but which is not necessarily repeatable with a subsequent ingestion of that same drug. If a drug (or technique or process) were ever to be discovered which would consistently produce a plus four experience in all human beings, it is conceivable that it would signal the ultimate evolution, and perhaps the end, of the human experiment."
 
cryptix420 said:
Several +4's off the same substance? I find that hard to believe. I know I will never be able to go back to the ++++ place I once reached on mushrooms. It's the main reason I haven't touched them in months even though I grow them. Sort of....squeezed out all the juice if you will.

One of the main things that gives you a ++++ is the sheer novelty of what you are experiencing. If you ever go back to that place, it's just a revisiting and the shiny newness won't be there.

I mean... "...but which is not necessarily repeatable with a subsequent ingestion of that same drug. If a drug (or technique or process) were ever to be discovered which would consistently produce a plus four experience in all human beings, it is conceivable that it would signal the ultimate evolution, and perhaps the end, of the human experiment."
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As I described briefly, I undertook a 3- or 4- month long study of my mind and spirit by taking mushrooms every weekend (usually high doses).

I think you have it wrong about novelty being relevant.
The place I have visited might be the same, but the overwhelming feeling that I have reached a state beyond the human realm does not change. "Shiny newness" was not part of my experience in any way, except possibly after I returned to this world, after the peak of the experience had passed. I don't see how novelty is relevant to the experience at all. "Visiting God", or "Becoming the universe", if you will, isn't boring after you have been there once.

Just because one substance doesn't necessarily bring a person back to that state each time doesn't mean that it is not possible (or unlikely) to achieve that state multiple times with the same substance.

Sounds to me like you have given up on mushrooms for no real reason.
 
Mr.Toad said:
whoa...sounds intense. Have you written a trip report or was that experience too intense to recall.
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I talked about it a few days ago in the PD social with zen master Xorkoth and he said I should try to write one but good plus 4's are only rememered when entering and coming back. Words are so hard to use to capture. But for my ego's sake I am writing one...be sure and comment soI know that someone cares :)
 
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