Benzos Xanax vs Klonopin

[witnesshopper]

Currently Klonopin doesn't work for me, I've asked my psych if Xanax would work and they said no but I'm not sure, if Klonopin doesn't work for my panic attacks currently could Xanax possibly keep them under control? ty to everyone in advance!

 

[witnesshopper]

Xanax is better for acute anxiety/panic attacks but Klonopin is better from a long term perspective. It's also better in terms of withdrawal and dependence. I would see if your Klonopin can be increased or better yet, try a less addictive medication for long term anxiety management. Would also be a good idea to get periodic blood tests to see if you have any hormonal deficiencies as this can be a major contributor to anxiety.

I do have some vitamin deficiencies, but Klonopin just doesn't help panic attacks :/

 

[Skippwiggins]

Xanax is better for panic attacks.

klonopin/ clonazepam is better for anxiety.

Ive abused and used benzos on and off for 12 years. If im having a panic attack or im having a bad trip on a giant dose of LSD I can take 0.5mg of klonopin and feel better in under 10 minutes. Its hard for me to believe that it doesn't work for you but everyone is different. Xanax will also work within 10 minutes but if absolutely had to choose one id choose klonopin 10 times out of 10. I find it to be a superior drug in every sense.

Recreationally i find xanax very boring, clinical sedation. Klonopin has more depth to it and actually has a slight euphoria. Again this is subjective and some will agree and some will disagree.

In regards to addiction and subsequent withdrawal id much rather be on klonopin than on Xanax. Benzo withdrawal is the worse thing on earth, id rather have cancer, broken bones, heroin withdrawal you name it.

 

[witnesshopper]

Xanax is better for panic attacks.

klonopin/ clonazepam is better for anxiety.

Ive abused and used benzos on and off for 12 years. If im having a panic attack or im having a bad trip on a giant dose of LSD I can take 0.5mg of klonopin and feel better in under 10 minutes. Its hard for me to believe that it doesn't work for you but everyone is different.

Recreationally i find xanax very boring, clinical sedation. Klonopin has more depth to it and actually has a slight euphoria. Again this is subjective and some will agree and some will disagree.

well I can say with confidence when I'm having a panic attack and take .5 Klonopin it feels like I took nothing at all

 

[Skippwiggins]

well I can say with confidence when I'm having a panic attack and take .5 Klonopin it feels like I took nothing at all

Do you have a history of alcohol, phenibut, gabapentin, lyrica, ghb, or baclofen use?

I would ask for a dose increase. They can prescribe up to 20mg a day in the US although ive found most docs stop at 8mg.

 

[witnesshopper]

Do you have a history of alcohol, phenibut, gabapentin, lyrica, ghb, or baclofen use?

I would ask for a dose increase. They can prescribe up to 20mg a day in the US although ive found most docs stop at 8mg.

I'm currently on gabapentin and I drink from time to time not often though

 

[Pickledlemons]

Currently Klonopin doesn't work for me, I've asked my psych if Xanax would work and they said no but I'm not sure, if Klonopin doesn't work for my panic attacks currently could Xanax possibly keep them under control? ty to everyone in advance!

They probably just don't want you to go on xanax as its more habit forming (which is fair) but definitely xanax is better for panic attacks.

 

[Skippwiggins]

I'm currently on gabapentin and I drink from time to time not often though

I would say there's a fair cross tolerance from gabapentin(and all the drugs i listed) and klonopin. I bet that is where your problem lies.

Even if I took a low dose of gabapentin say 600mg 3x a week for a few weeks and took benzos the effects would be far weaker than it I hadn't took gabapentin. Its an incomplete cross tolerance but its still there.

 

[witnesshopper]

I would say there's a fair cross tolerance from gabapentin(and all the drugs i listed) and klonopin. I bet that is where your problem lies.

Even if I took a low dose of gabapentin say 600mg 3x a week for a few weeks and took benzos the effects would be far weaker than it I hadn't took gabapentin. Its an incomplete cross tolerance but its still there.

well fuck, ty for the advice

 

[LivingOnValium]

well I can say with confidence when I'm having a panic attack and take .5 Klonopin it feels like I took nothing at all

0.5mg might not be enough for you.

 

[Tanejames]

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well I can say with confidence when I'm having a panic attack and take .5 Klonopin it feels like I took nothing at all

aybe because 0.5 is nothing, I’m on 3 2mg a day for anxiety and to help me relax before bed to maybe help me sleep. I’m meant to take 2mg when I’m feeling anxious and 4mg for sleep. Ask your doctor for higher doses

 

[Pickledlemons]

I would say there's a fair cross tolerance from gabapentin(and all the drugs i listed) and klonopin. I bet that is where your problem lies.

Even if I took a low dose of gabapentin say 600mg 3x a week for a few weeks and took benzos the effects would be far weaker than it I hadn't took gabapentin. Its an incomplete cross tolerance but its still there.

I can see that. I'm doing a diazepam taper right now ( to get off xanax) and if I ever feel the urge to take more than I'm supposed to, I just take some gabapentin, and it really amplifies the effect, as long as I don't do it that often.

 

[JackARoe]

I can see that. I'm doing a diazepam taper right now ( to get off xanax) and if I ever feel the urge to take more than I'm supposed to, I just take some gabapentin, and it really amplifies the effect, as long as I don't do it that often.

I was going to find your thread and ask how that was going. This is an old thread. I hope the OP is well. I may have to kick up your thread in H&R. Hope the taper is going well. It coincided with a friend of mines daughter is who is still popping as much as she can. I am far away from it,

As someone with zero tolerance taking 300 mg of gabapentin and 1 mg of etizolam was my Sunday night bedtime routine for a few years. Just Sunday. A way to sleep a straight eight hours and wake up refreshed to start a work week. The gabapentin totally potentiated and gave it extra legs to sleep. However I don't find anything other than potentiation. I am not seeing a cross tolerance as to me gabapentin and a benzo are totally different drugs. Together they do potentiate.

 

[Pickledlemons]

I was going to find your thread and ask how that was going. This is an old thread. I hope the OP is well. I may have to kick up your thread in H&R. Hope the taper is going well. It coincided with a friend of mines daughter is who is still popping as much as she can. I am far away from it,

As someone with zero tolerance taking 300 mg of gabapentin and 1 mg of etizolam was my Sunday night bedtime routine for a few years. Just Sunday. A way to sleep a straight eight hours and wake up refreshed to start a work week. The gabapentin totally potentiated and gave it extra legs to sleep. However I don't find anything other than potentiation. I am not seeing a cross tolerance as to me gabapentin and a benzo are totally different drugs. Together they do potentiate.

Ooops didn't realize how old it was. My bad. Yeah the taper is going fine as far as keeping me off xanax. I'm a a little concerned with the rate the dosage is dropping. Its so slow. Originally the dr wanted to do like.... 1mg every few months, from a starting point of 120mg! Thats like a lifelong commitment. I already asked for it to be sped up once. But its still really slow. Like at this rate it would take over two years. But at the same time its hard to ask for less. Being so used to being an addict and all. But afraid I'll end up more dependent if I don't go faster. Well anyway, at least I'm going in the right direction.

Hope your friend's daughter finds her way. Statistics can be scary, but people overcome their addictions all the time. But yeah, time is a crucial factor here. If she's young, hasn't been taking them for long. Maybe she could get away with a rapid taper or something. Just gotta get into a clinic. Is she in the wanting to quit phase yet? Or... no?

 

[Jnowhere]

Xanax is better for panic attacks.

klonopin/ clonazepam is better for anxiety.

Ive abused and used benzos on and off for 12 years. If im having a panic attack or im having a bad trip on a giant dose of LSD I can take 0.5mg of klonopin and feel better in under 10 minutes. Its hard for me to believe that it doesn't work for you but everyone is different. Xanax will also work within 10 minutes but if absolutely had to choose one id choose klonopin 10 times out of 10. I find it to be a superior drug in every sense.

Recreationally i find xanax very boring, clinical sedation. Klonopin has more depth to it and actually has a slight euphoria. Again this is subjective and some will agree and some will disagree.

In regards to addiction and subsequent withdrawal id much rather be on klonopin than on Xanax. Benzo withdrawal is the worse thing on earth, id rather have cancer, broken bones, heroin withdrawal you name it.

I have heard barbiturate withdrawal is the worst, and can be easily deadly. But try getting a Seconal script, not going to happen, unless you have a time machine. Lol.

What I find strange is doctors seem more reluctant to prescribe Valium ( diazepam) than stronger and more addictive benzos, for some reason?

 

[Nas47]

I have heard barbiturate withdrawal is the worst, and can be easily deadly. But try getting a Seconal script, not going to happen, unless you have a time machine. Lol.

What I find strange is doctors seem more reluctant to prescribe Valium ( diazepam) than stronger and more addictive benzos, for some reason?

guess 'cause they wanna be a "modern"..some kind...diazepam is too old.....there is a plenty of novel benzos....here people takin' prescribing diazepam are too little,compared to those takin' xanax,clonazepam,ativan,bromazepam.....i take diazepam,cause i told my GP that i wanna diazepam and only this fits me well....she wsends me to shrink we talk a while with a shrink....she fulfilled some docs.....and now every month i got a script.....easy to tapper....from a week on 10mg from 15-absolutely the same.....i mean same like before-no effect,cause i am tollerant and no symptoms of unpleasant effects after weanning......would go to 5mg and thaT'S it...don't wanna stop it completely.....some kinda like placebo.....to know that i take some benzo.....same shit

 

[Jnowhere]

I was on Ativan 2mg x 3 times a day.
According to all the charts 1mg Ativan = 10mg Valium. So I was on 60mg Valium equivalent daily. To actually switching to 30mg daily of Valium 3 x 10mgs daily.

Opps I almost forgot I was on Ativan 6mg for 6-7 years or so. Switched to half that in Valium no issues.

However, the doctors all thought I was gonna die in a year, that was 9 years ago almost to the day. Dec 2015, diagnosed with cirrhosis of the liver.

One year without a liver transplant. Was on Morphine er, around the clock, oxycodone and Ativan.

I traded one drug for 3, thank you doctors. But came off morphine after 6-7 years or so. Didn't do much but some due to compromised liver. Thanks to my doctor and the people who recommended, exactly what my doctor prescibed.

Valium is mild compared to Ativan especially 2mg ones 3 times a day.
But, doctors got to stylish( got that stylish part from a classic scene in a Dirty Harry movie, forget which one.

guess 'cause they wanna be a "modern"..some kind...diazepam is too old.....there is a plenty of novel benzos....here people takin' prescribing diazepam are too little,compared to those takin' xanax,clonazepam,ativan,bromazepam.....i take diazepam,cause i told my GP that i wanna diazepam and only this fits me well....she wsends me to shrink we talk a while with a shrink....she fulfilled some docs.....and now every month i got a script.....easy to tapper....from a week on 10mg from 15-absolutely the same.....i mean same like before-no effect,cause i am tollerant and no symptoms of unpleasant effects after weanning......would go to 5mg and thaT'S it...don't wanna stop it completely.....some kinda like placebo.....to know that i take some benzo.....same shit

 

[Jnowhere]

guess 'cause they wanna be a "modern"..some kind...diazepam is too old.....there is a plenty of novel benzos....here people takin' prescribing diazepam are too little,compared to those takin' xanax,clonazepam,ativan,bromazepam.....i take diazepam,cause i told my GP that i wanna diazepam and only this fits me well....she wsends me to shrink we talk a while with a shrink....she fulfilled some docs.....and now every month i got a script.....easy to tapper....from a week on 10mg from 15-absolutely the same.....i mean same like before-no effect,cause i am tollerant and no symptoms of unpleasant effects after weanning......would go to 5mg and thaT'S it...don't wanna stop it completely.....some kinda like placebo.....to know that i take some benzo.....same shit

Those others are way worse, and even worse to come off, of. But they got to be " stylish", lol. Love that term.
Mention Valium, it is like no, now here is some Ativan or worse Xanax or k-pins(clonazepam) people love Xanax and K-pins too much and they are strong and really bad, even for benzos to get off, of.

 

[JackARoe]

However, the doctors all thought I was gonna die in a year, that was 9 years ago almost to the day. Dec 2015, diagnosed with cirrhosis of the liv

Doctors told my wife she would be dead by 40. Not able to walk at least. She is 60 and wallpapering a wall in our house fully mobile. Doctors piss me off when they say stuff like that. Glad you are still kicking (and posting) JN. Keep the Faith. You have been through a lot.

Diazepam seems to be prescribed freely. Both my mother and father have prescriptions for occasional use and forgot they had it and several filled bottles sit here. It was good timing for me and I needed a few for a few days the last few months. I think what I am surprised at is how much something like clonazepam would jack up a tolerance just from reading this. I know some people think they are weak, but now it seems they are very strong compared to diazepam. Me personally can't tell the difference. They all do the same stuff to me. Amnesia pills with no high. Crazy. I suspect people that take them everyday get very use to any amnesia side effect (I think) and other symptoms beyond anxiety relief.

Hope your friend's daughter finds her way. Statistics can be scary, but people overcome their addictions all the time. But yeah, time is a crucial factor here. If she's young, hasn't been taking them for long. Maybe she could get away with a rapid taper or something. Just gotta get into a clinic. Is she in the wanting to quit phase yet? Or... no?,

So glad you are doing ok. You are totally doing the right thing PL. Staying on this stuff is for a few people but not people that got caught hooked on RC's. Apologies I also kicked up your thread in H&R, I am sure people are curious as to how you are doing. Keep going. I have read slow tapers can be much easier than just stopping.

As far as friends daughter I am far away from it. It was at the same time you posted I was speaking to my friend and saying a diazepam taper is needed. They had some issues, the daughter is in her 20's so a grown up. But I suspect she is not doing well nor ready to stop. If that is the case there is nothing anyone can do but hope for the best. But at least the seed of a diazepam taper was given. Maybe that will sprout down the road.

I have no experience with benzo withdrawal but I read about a lot of topics. And while people say there are lingering symptoms, it seems once stopped there is healing that happens in the first few months. Probably 80% healing. Just from reading I am guessing. So there is healing. The human body is resilient. The people that tapered and got off easy don't post as much the guy the guy having a hard time.

 

[Jnowhere]

Doctors told my wife she would be dead by 40. Not able to walk at least. She is 60 and wallpapering a wall in our house fully mobile. Doctors piss me off when they say stuff like that. Glad you are still kicking (and posting) JN. Keep the Faith. You have been through a lot.

Diazepam seems to be prescribed freely. Both my mother and father have prescriptions for occasional use and forgot they had it and several filled bottles sit here. It was good timing for me and I needed a few for a few days the last few months. I think what I am surprised at is how much something like clonazepam would jack up a tolerance just from reading this. I know some people think they are weak, but now it seems they are very strong compared to diazepam. Me personally can't tell the difference. They all do the same stuff to me. Amnesia pills with no high. Crazy. I suspect people that take them everyday get very use to any amnesia side effect (I think) and other symptoms beyond anxiety relief.

So glad you are doing ok. You are totally doing the right thing PL. Staying on this stuff is for a few people but not people that got caught hooked on RC's. Apologies I also kicked up your thread in H&R, I am sure people are curious as to how you are doing. Keep going. I have read slow tapers can be much easier than just stopping.

As far as friends daughter I am far away from it. It was at the same time you posted I was speaking to my friend and saying a diazepam taper is needed. They had some issues, the daughter is in her 20's so a grown up. But I suspect she is not doing well nor ready to stop. If that is the case there is nothing anyone can do but hope for the best. But at least the seed of a diazepam taper was given. Maybe that will sprout down the road.

I have no experience with benzo withdrawal but I read about a lot of topics. And while people say there are lingering symptoms, it seems once stopped there is healing that happens in the first few months. Probably 80% healing. Just from reading I am guessing. So there is healing. The human body is resilient. The people that tapered and got off easy don't post as much the guy the guy having a hard time.

Thank you for the kind words. Other than alcohol and nicotine, nicotine is diabolical in that can hook anyone who uses it enough. I am actually good with pills.

Called me old fashioned but I was an alcohol and still am a nicotine man.
I forgot to thank BL, got to edit it, because those are the people I referenced

Opiods and benzos only because of lingering issues. Opiods for pain and to help me eat, seriously no bs and benzos, so I can occasionally sleep and not bounce off the walls. I have kept my tolerance down for 8 or more years.

I see no real thrill in benzos and use only 30mg aday. Cut my opiod intake in half and benzo intake in half. Less pain. If I were healed I would not use them. They do nothing recreational at this point and Valium addiction is fairly common, but I am not sure why.

Your friends daughter, speaking from my own experience will as you probably know will only quit when she really wants too or worse is forced to if something happened legally and that would be bad, withdrawals in jail. They would have to do something, she could have a seizure depending on the severity of her addiction and a slim chance of death.
She is young and Valium ain't Xanax.

Anyways have a nice day