x is safe

[augustaB]

Even if the drug proved to be safe, the government would stop pushing the "if you take this you will die angle" and they would start promoting how it would make you steal, or be irresponsible, or non functional. That's the problem with propaganda, it isn't accurate.

I think that all substances should be legalized regardless of neurotoxicity, or other harm that it may cause. It's proven (by all people who use illicit drugs) that prohibition does not work. The only thing that prohibition ensures that is criminals make lots of money. I think that consenting adults should be able to make the choice for themselves regarding what substances that they ingest. I also wouldn't mind if the government placed a tax on all recreational substances, I would gladly pay the "peace of mind" tax to know that the substance I was picking up was 100% pure and non adulterated.

The government has a long way to go, if they in fact ever make the consideration to being legalizing substances. And as a previous poster has said, it will be extremely difficult to do any research showing long term effects and the potential of neurotoxicity since the substances are illegal.

Ah! Here we have somebody talking sense.

 

[xkrowcitats]

i think that study is bunk. they rated pot as being more dangerous than e. which it obviously isn't.

On the other hand I believe pot is more dangerous. Maybe not from a health standpoint but think about it. It's more of a society and personal life impact. How many people smoke pot everyday vs. people who roll everyday. Pot is worse because many people will get high and slack off to the point where they have screwed up their lives.I was a daily smoker and I almost failed out of college because I got high too often. I wouldn't have been able to do that on x cause I wouldnt roll that often.

 

[wangeye]

That just blows my mind. I'm spreading the word. We need to take a more active role in politics. Why should we have to hide?

 

[l0ckd0wn]

Even if the drug proved to be safe, the government would stop pushing the "if you take this you will die angle" and they would start promoting how it would make you steal, or be irresponsible, or non functional. That's the problem with propaganda, it isn't accurate.

I think that all substances should be legalized regardless of neurotoxicity, or other harm that it may cause. It's proven (by all people who use illicit drugs) that prohibition does not work. The only thing that prohibition ensures that is criminals make lots of money. I think that consenting adults should be able to make the choice for themselves regarding what substances that they ingest. I also wouldn't mind if the government placed a tax on all recreational substances, I would gladly pay the "peace of mind" tax to know that the substance I was picking up was 100% pure and non adulterated.

The government has a long way to go, if they in fact ever make the consideration to being legalizing substances. And as a previous poster has said, it will be extremely difficult to do any research showing long term effects and the potential of neurotoxicity since the substances are illegal.

Here here! Good post and fantastic content!

That just blows my mind. I'm spreading the word. We need to take a more active role in politics. Why should we have to hide?

Thus Bluelight being hosted in Russia...

I totally agree with purplefirely and question why, as an American, Tobacco and Alcohol are so easily peddled and mismanaged yet Marijuana is a Schdule 1? I know it has many health risks... more so then even MDMA (from mental addiction standpoint, lung problems, etc.) but why can we not model our laws around countries like Holland that have much more acceptable and reasonable laws concerning consumption? I am so sick of our national propaganda network... makes me ill!

 

[wangeye]

You can thank the 80's and the start of the war on drugs. We should be allowed to choose our substances.

 

[MazDan]

i think that study is bunk. they rated pot as being more dangerous than e. which it obviously isn't.

Personally I would disagree very strongly with you simply based on personal experience and also on what I have seen happen to various friends whose grass use went overboard.

 

[Wanderer]

i think that study is bunk. they rated pot as being more dangerous than e. which it obviously isn't.

but if you can dampen or remove neurotoxicity in E with antioxidants or w/e. than wouldnt E be less harmful?

i have mates that smoke pot and mates that do X. i notice pot alot more than E in the way theyve changed.

but then agen, it all comes down to how often and how much.

 

[fatallyflawed]

from what i think i think that the lack of motorfunctions has something to do w/it (weed being worse)

 

[theWorldWithin]

if when they say ecstasy they are refering to pure MDMA then I place its risks higher than alcohol and marijuana but less than most other powerfull stimulants like coke or amphetamine.

If they are refering to street ecstasy pills then it is clearly one of the absolute most harmfull drugs out there. The purity issues are just insane with E.

I really do believe that E is one of the more harmfull drugs out there. Something that gives you a week long hangover is obviously not good. I say 120 mgs of MDMA does as much damage as a fifth of hard liquor (but that is just my trivial way to look at it).

 

[Infinite Jest]

if when they say ecstasy they are refering to pure MDMA then I place its risks higher than alcohol and marijuana but less than most other powerfull stimulants like coke or amphetamine.

You gotta look at things like the risk of death, though - something like 20 or 30 as many people die from acute alcohol poisoning as die from MDMA [e.g., from alcohol poisoning from one session]. When you add in the people who die from decades of alcohol abuse, plus those who end up homeless, suffer from obesity, brain damage, etc, then I think alcohol is a lot more dangerous than MDMA. [I sorta see what you're getting at though - someone could have a glass of wine every day and not damage their health much, but you couldn't take MDMA daily. I think what they're arguing is that, if you look at how each drug is actually being used, alcohol is a lot worse]

 

[AuraithX]

if when they say ecstasy they are refering to pure MDMA then I place its risks higher than alcohol and marijuana but less than most other powerfull stimulants like coke or amphetamine.

If they are refering to street ecstasy pills then it is clearly one of the absolute most harmfull drugs out there. The purity issues are just insane with E.

I really do believe that E is one of the more harmfull drugs out there. Something that gives you a week long hangover is obviously not good. I say 120 mgs of MDMA does as much damage as a fifth of hard liquor (but that is just my trivial way to look at it).

FACT: An alcohol-user is more likely to die than a Ecstasy user. (25 times more likely than the E user)

 

[MazDan]

FACT: An alcohol-user is more likely to die than a Ecstasy user. (25 times more likely than the E user)

Auraith, thats an excellent graph.........can you provide a source just to give it a bit more cred.........cheers.

 

[AuraithX]

sure : http://thedea.org/statistics.html

 

[Wanderer]

us E users have sure got alot backing us lol, imagine if there were no cuts or binders and only 'MDMA' pills. i think less deaths would accur and less ER visits.

good source auraithX thanks aheap, i convinced my mom to accept my E usage hahaha!!

 

[oolong]

i don't even think that the small number of deaths are all due to cut pills - rather, people being irresponsible by drinking too much water, overexerting themselves, driving under influence or thingsl ike that. with harm reduction techniques probably over half could be prevented.

 

[Kosmos7]

Ecstasy has to be the most generally misunderstood drug around. So many people think it's like the worst thing you can put in your body and they'll hate you if they know you like it... It's ridiculous, really. Sure, it has it's risks, but if you're halfway smart about it you're going to be fine. And even if you're not too safe with it, you're probably better off fucking with it rather than most other drugs.

It's a bit aggravating, all the misconceptions about ecstasy. Nice to see that some light is coming through with the whole thing. I suppose the drug's image can only improve at this point.

 

[IBeCrazy]

TheWorldWithin- I have never heard of anyone having a week long hangover from ecstasy... I've never had a hangover from ecstasy myself but my friends who have it only lasted a day or less.

Anyway good to see stuff like this poppin up.

 

[Wanderer]

TheWorldWithin- I have never heard of anyone having a week long hangover from ecstasy... I've never had a hangover from ecstasy myself but my friends who have it only lasted a day or less.
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indeed, i have alcohol hangover's that are much worse. and iv been sick from weed ( i know, its shamefull lol) but yeh.

E= only drug i havnt vomited on, well, that and other amphetamines

 

[Dave82]

if when they say ecstasy they are refering to pure MDMA then I place its risks higher than alcohol and marijuana but less than most other powerfull stimulants like coke or amphetamine.

If they are refering to street ecstasy pills then it is clearly one of the absolute most harmfull drugs out there. The purity issues are just insane with E.

I really do believe that E is one of the more harmfull drugs out there. Something that gives you a week long hangover is obviously not good. I say 120 mgs of MDMA does as much damage as a fifth of hard liquor (but that is just my trivial way to look at it).

one week hangovers? you have been reading too many newspapers

 

[AuraithX]

I get one week hangovers. They aren't really that noticeable though. I'll just be slightly slower, I'll feel pins&needles in my head at times, lightheaded, sleep paralysis, and brain zaps.

I abuse E though, 56 hours with no sleep or food + 10 good MDMA Pills = week long hangover.