Writer needs your druggie-input (re: drug myths)

[RaverMadness]

I'm covering GHB-facilitated date rape under the Rohypnol/Date-Rape myth section, which I'm currently writing. Unlike TV News, I have statistics. And half a brain - the rest is full of holes from Ecstasy use
Here's a fun quote from a random anti-drug site: "Alcohol is a depressant drug, it slows the activity of the brain and the spinal cord."
My GOD, what is these people's obsessions with spinal cords?

 

[wilson]

Another GHB myth: "GHB is a mix of floor stripper and drain cleaner".

 

[Harry@Piekarnia]

I've said it before so many times that I'm beginning to lose interest in saying it but you can get high from smoking Coke. You have to suck it into a cigarette and then heat the cigarette for a couple of minutes with a lighter. It gets you high. I'm quite willing to prove this to any BLer who cares to drop by my apartment with some coke. I'll prepare the smoke and if the BLer is not high after smoking I'll pay for the coke! Offer is open and stands for the foreseeable future.
One more myth is that GHB is a good date-rape drug. Part of the "GHB is an odourless tasteless drug" myth we get to see in the well informed media.
Harry
[ 11 January 2002: Message edited by: Harry@Piekarnia ]

 

[PhreeX]

Originally posted by wilson:
Another GHB myth: "GHB is a mix of floor stripper and drain cleaner".
That is true if you wanna be accurarte - GBL is sold on an industrial scale in re-finishing waxed floors, as well as cleaning circuit boards... NaOH aka Red Devil Lye - used for clogged drains.. but when you mix the two you get something else... if you want to get technical, table salt could be considered a mix of "driveway cleaner and drain cleaner" - NaOH and HCl..

 

[Deefex]

Myth #7: You can extract LSD from Morning Glory seeds
that is not true. BUT you can extract LSA from morning glory seeds, which you then can turn into LSD. or just use it as LSA.
[ 12 January 2002: Message edited by: Deefex ]

 

[Tron®]]

Okay there are defenetly a few myths listed here that are infact not mtyhs at all and at best are up for discussion. So let's begin....
dan0125 Wrote...

How about the "marijuana ruining your memory and making you stupid" myth. I have a friend who doesn't do any drugs (except drink, don't they all?) and is pretty naive about all drugs. Whenever I happen to forget something, he's always quick to blame it on the weed. "You forgot about such and such because you smoke too much herb".
This I will speak on from personal experience. I'm 21 years old and I started smoking marijuana when I was 13, it was an atleast once a day habit until about half a year ago at which point I decided to quit/cut-down because I could no longer stand not being able to remember a god damn thing. Since I've cut down considereably I've noticed a large improvement in my cognitive functions especially memory. The bad side to this is that now when I smoke the memory loss sideffect is much more pronounced than it used to be. The day after I smoke I'll forget the most simple things, for example about 2 months ago after I smoked a shit load went to sleep and when I woke up I was talking to someone and couldn't recall the name of one of my best friends whom I'v known for over 2 years. Now I know I personally can't prove beyond a reasonable doubt that this is due to smoking marijuana but I've seen enough correlation between me smoking and forgetting things to be convinced.

Myth #3: Meth is so easy to make, that we must hide information on the subject, so
Currently I'm enrolled in a new class at my college called Drugs and Society taught by a very ecentric scientist who is very interested in the drug culture and he holds a schedule I license. During class he told us that he could teach any one of us how to make large quantities amphetamines out of easily attainable materials in less than an hour. Now whether this applies to methamphetamine or not I'm not sure but I think it does.

Myth #8: Meth makes an excellent study aid.
I haven't done this personally but my roommate from two years ago would do this occasionally and would get lot's of work done, more work than he would usually do.

Myth #9: LSD is stored in your body forever, and can be detected with a spinal tap,
except that’s illegal in this state.
That's mostly false but the same teacher just told me that under certain conditions LSD is soluble in blood and fat and can be stored in your fatty tissue for the rest of your life and with sensitive enough equipment can actually be detected.

Myth #6: Drinking a bottle of cough syrup is like taking acid.
This is too ambiguous, even though DXM is classified as a dissasociative taking enough of it can give the user an acid like experience.

Myth #7: Nitrous oxide is really bad for you.
Anything that cuts the flow of oxygen to your brain is really bad for you, trust me on this one.

Myth #6: Crushing up and snorting pills is a good idea.
What does that mean??? some people enjoy it, it's just like saying "Smoking Crystal Meth is a good idea". Now I'm sure snorting binders and acetaminophan(sp?) isn't that good for you, but neither is inhaling Meth vapors.

Myth #3: Eating a jar of nutmeg is a good way to get high.
Myth #4: Inhaling computer duster is a good way to get high.
Both of these are like the last one, just because you don't like it/approve doesn't mean it's wrong.
If you think I'm wrong on any of these please let me know cause I'm defenetly not an authority on the subject.

 

[RaverMadness]

Okay, I'm not going into the full explanation for each one of these, seeing as how this would be an extremely long post. But, since I'm a loser, and staying home on a Saturday night, I'll go into some detail.
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Nitrous oxide, when used properly, isn't depriving your brain of oxygen. It's been used medically since the 19th century, with no recorded fatalities. If you fill up one balloon with N20, and keep reinhaling it, yes, part of it's effects are from oxygen deprivation. So is shutting yourself in a closet and cracking open a cylinder of N20.
A user can easily enjoy the effects of nitrous oxide and keep his brain supplied with enough oxygen if they take a few simple precautions, such as taking a breath of air in-between hits, and not strapping a mask to your face if at all possible...
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About buying mescaline on the street: Sorry, your friends don't count. If your friend has enough San Pedro cactus, or L33T CH3M1STRY SK1LLZ, Y0, I guess you could conceivably buy mescaline crystals.
The point I'm trying to make is that mescaline, due to the high dosage needed and lack of profitability from the difficult synthesis, will not be found on the street. Anything sold as mescaline will most likely be fake. I'm sure gas chromatography could prove this - consider sending a pill to dancesafe (or ecstasydata.org, or whoever's doing the testing now) when you buy a pill that "contains mescaline". I'm sure you'll see otherwise.
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Regarding duster/nutmeg: I'm not saying it isn't possible to cop a buzz of this. Very much the opposite. I'm saying that the risks/consequences outweigh the benefits in these cases.
Duster involves starving your brain for oxygen, unlike nitrous oxide.
Nutmeg does contain a compound which acts as a hallucinogen. The amount that needs to be ingested, combined with the multi-day hangover most users report make this a less-than-ideal psychedelic. If you're in prison, hey, but in most cases, better drugs are available.
...But, they're legal! Oh, I'm sure most of you care about that fact. The simple fact is, safer, better, more reliable drugs exist, and should be used instead of some cheap, legal high seebitchin' legal highs for an interesting take on this concept.
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As for meth synthesis: sure it's easy if you know what you're doing, know where to safely acquire materials and equipment needed, and have someone who's been there to provide instruction. For most people, this isn't the case.
Your average drug user, just reading a recipe, isn't going to be able to pull off a meth synth. It's an art (also, a felony) which requires much skill and planning to be successfull.
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Oh, there's more, but I'll get to that later.
[ 13 January 2002: Message edited by: *CrystalMeth Bunny* ]

 

[TrippinTreeToker]

oh no i gotta double wammy some of dees:
quote: Myth #6: Drinking a bottle of cough syrup is like taking acid.
This is too ambiguous, even though DXM is classified as a dissasociative taking enough of it can give the user an acid like experience.
uhh DXM is NOTHING AT ALL LIKE ACID.
quote:Myth #6: Crushing up and snorting pills is a good idea.
What does that mean??? some people enjoy it, it's just like saying "Smoking Crystal Meth is a good idea". Now I'm sure snorting binders and acetaminophan(sp?) isn't that good for you, but neither is inhaling Meth vapors.
Have you ever snorted APAP? ITS THE MOST VIOLENT BURNING THE HUMAN NASAL PASSAGES CAN FEEL.

 

[PhreeX]

Originally posted by TrippinTreeToker:
Have you ever snorted APAP? ITS THE MOST VIOLENT BURNING THE HUMAN NASAL PASSAGES CAN FEEL.
Hardly.. APAP isn't fun to snort but it doesn't burn .. you want to tear up? Try some Darvon (propoxyphene sans APAP) ..

 

[*kell*]

There is a variety of poppy avaible in New Zealnd called 'China White'.

 

[Roches]

LSD stays in your body forever:
anything that's soluble in blood is soluble in water and can therefore be excreted in urine. anything that's not soluble in blood can't get to your brain. LSD, even as a diethylamide, is actually a decent acid (pKa of about 8, i think), and will be ionized to some extent at physiological pH. considering the very small quantities of LSD being consumed, i would think it was excreted completely, fairly quickly. it wouldn't even need to be broken down to be excreted. yes, minute traces may remain in your hair and stuff like that, but even that isn't going to 'stay in your body for the rest of your life'.
however, not only does the stuff he told you about amphetamines pertain to methamphetamine, it's completely true. two words: oil rig.

 

[RaverMadness]

As why people will sell "mescaline": It's a known drug. Everyone knows mescaline is "the active ingredient in Peyote, which you can legally take if you're an American Indian", (ummm, yeah.) and aren't likely to buy "a hit of acid dropped on a pill" or "2c-t-7 cut with cornstarch". If a freind of yours is able to extract mescaline from a natural source, or synthesize it, it's possible to buy some. Unfortunately for the vast drug-using population this isn't the case, and if you go around to your friendly neighborhood/campus/ghetto drug-dealer, it's basically wearing a sign around your neck saying, "Hi! I'm naive! Please sell me fake drugs!" Not that every drug dealer will be well informed and educated on the topic of what they're actually selling, but more about that later.
As for crushing/snorting pills: Okay, I'll give you guys that. IMO, this should be done on a case-by-case basis, depending on if there are any time-release binders in the pill, and the overall size of the pill compared to the active ingredients. Ever seen someone try to crush and snort one of those 5/500 hydrocodone tablets? It isn't pretty. PhreeX is right about pain from insufflation being a subjective thing - methamphetamine and it's ketone analogs have caused me no trouble, and a few smaller (pillwise)benzos haven't caused me that much pain.
The GHB/Rohypnol Date-rape thing is turning out to be it's own chapter. There's some very interesting information I'm digging up there.

 

[Tron®]]

Originally posted by TrippinTreeToker:
oh no i gotta double wammy some of dees:
quote: Myth #6: Drinking a bottle of cough syrup is like taking acid.
uhh DXM is NOTHING AT ALL LIKE ACID.
Have you ever snorted APAP? ITS THE MOST VIOLENT BURNING THE HUMAN NASAL PASSAGES CAN FEEL.
I have to disagree with you on both of these. There are definite similarities between the DXM and LSD experience, now I’m not saying they are exactly the same. I’ve only done DXM a few times, but I have tripped countless times. For me both substances cause a similar mind fuck (only at higher doses of DXM) and I have definitely have had acid like visuals from DXM towards the end of the experience, especially if combined with some weed.
And yes I have snorted acetaminophen on a few occasions, I don’t like snorting things but I have snorted percocets and vicodins, neither of which burned more than the excstacy pill I snorted once, I personally do think that snorting these things is stupid and I don’t snort anything anymore, but the original statement CrystalMethBunny made didn’t say it was his opinion it was more like it was factual information.

 

[RaverMadness]

Okay, it's official. I've opted to remove the section on snorting pills. I personally think it's a bad idea, based on the absorbtion of binders, etc., but to each his own....
I'm replacing it with a section detailing why injecting crushed pills is a bad thing, seeing as how there's some actual evidence from medical journals, etc., I can throw in there.
Yes, there are some similarities between the DXM and the LSD experience. Having ingested both at widely varying doses, I would have to say that someone ingesting DXM thinking it would provide an LSD-like experience would be sadly mistaken.
Anyway, I'll be posting an overview of the marijuana chapter in Psychedlics later today. Watch for it...

 

[Tijo]

Mushroom Myths
~ Caps give you visuals, stems give you body high
~ Smoking mushrooms makes you trip
~ If you smoke mushrooms they will grow in yer lungs
~ They ONLY grow on cow shit so eating them is the same as eating shit (you eat peices of shit for breakfast?)
~ Mushrooms are safe because their "natural".
~ There is LSD in mushrooms

 

[Binx]

Oh yeah....

Myth #8: Meth makes an excellent study aid.
Meth is an awesome study aid, if it wasn't for Meth I would have failed end of year exams.
My Psychology Proffessor hinted that amphetamines (and I'm assuming meth) would be a good study aid "Just don't have any the day of the exams" were his wise words. Also if u plan on study don't smoke it, eat it (otherwise the high is too intense)

 

[lain]

w00t w00t for the meth! i used meth to write a 5 page essay for college the night before. this english teacher was fucking hard too... i had taken AP(college level) english in high school and made the highest grade possible(5) on the national exam and scored a 780 on the writing part of the SAT. this teacher was so hard, though- she was ass-raping me on all my essays, giving me C-'s and what not. anyway, (jesus, this is turning out to be long and rambling, sorry) i made an A on that paper- powered my meth.
oh, and i wanted to comment on that meth re-crystallizing in your lungs thingy... i HATE that myth- much perfectly good meth vapor has been wasted by morons and that myth.

 

[WeZ]

Good UK myths...
a pill with the same logo is the same as another
speckles in pills are the bits of smack
shiny pills have been coated with acid
solvents arent just for mental defects
my mate dave robbed a dentist for the 'coke'
pier pressure affects everyone not just retards

 

[Roches]

binx, i've done that too i got a 78 on the exam, a very brutal molecular biology exam on which the average was something like 61 -- and i got into the exam late, and had only been to 2 lectures. =)
now..
i like the "natural = safe" thing. i once heard someone say it was ok to mix shrooms with an antibiotic "because they're natural". well, cheese and beer are natural, and can kill you if you combine them with an MAOI =P
there are tons of myths about E; that last post reminded me of a few of the better ones (i really like "the brown specks are heroin"; they say that here too). the ones about heroin are probably the best. you need to talk about test kits too, since most people seem to think test kits are liquid GC/MS machines. any time i've heard people talk about a pill "that their dealer tested", it's always MDMA, coke, heroin, 2C-B, ketamine, and a little acid for visuals. i've never heard "my dealer tested these, and they might contain MDMA or an MDMA-like substance", which is all the test kit could tell you.
one more i just thought of:
E's are color-coded. e.g., purple = PCP, brown = heroin, green = ketamine(?), or something like that. also, green E's will make you puke.