:WORK WARNING: A protest or something equally as obscure, about avatars.

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And seriously people..

Once you've had a distended gaping anus on your screen for a few days you'll wonder how you lived without it! ;)


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I added the work warning to the title as requested...

For what it's worth, I think mary poppins very eloquently answered this issue, I agree with her totally. If there were no option but to have avatars visible, I might be a bit more sympathetic to the crew who dislike it so much to want it gone. But essentially, you're viewing it because you want to.

You want to have your cake and eat it too. You want to give people the opportunity to express something of their personality in an image, but then you tell them that they have to do that in a format you find acceptable.

You can't give someone a blank canvas and then complain when they paint something you don't like...
 
see, when you check out someone's arse, and you exclaim "nice arse", how much of that arse ARE you actually looking at?

In the case of 1234, enough to pass judgement.
 
Here's the run down of the first time i saw 1234's tiny little picture of a great big anus.

"ooer, a new picture. What is it?"
*squints*
"uum, i don't get it. What is that!>?"
*looks closer*
"is that a penis hanging down there?, but, what? why are there hands there? I still don't get it"
*squints and looks closer again. Nose nearly touching the monitor*
"Is that?! omg! ew~! Is that OMG! gross! But how?! that makes no sense.. but omg! ew~! wouldn't that hurt!? Omg! Yuk!"
*quickly scrolls down*

Yep. That was my response. A little naive, a little bit sheltered, and very very very shocked.

I will agree that my little rant about self respect and respecting others, and my "moralistic crusade" was a little bit irrational. And i don't think that it was very well thought out. But, i suppose, i was thinking more like my mother than like any other person i know, but she goes on about how my "vulgar language" and my "potty mouth" are disrespectful to myself and to those around me who don't appreciate, that kind of language. I suppose my thought and words stemmed from the fact that there are people who don't appreciate these images in any way shape or form... And thats where i jumped from. I did sound a lot like her... But, i appreciate that 1234 was attempting to make a point... but it is when such a confrontational image holds, no point, other than the fact that that person wants attention that they do something like this that i think is so unnecessary.

As for my "moralistic crusade" i am interested in why this kind of imagery is now being deemed acceptable. Why is it, that these images are being brandished all over the web? Is it simply because they are more accessible now? Or is it, that through a "desentitization" of society we are simply more accepting, and less affected which makes it now okay to put these images all over the place? Or is it quite simply, i was just younger, and as a small child i didn't have any kind of access to places that i may have stumbled across them? These are all questions which i know i may not find answers for, but ones i would like to explore in my own time.

As for why i don't like it... I find it aesthetically disgusting yes. But, the human body can be seen as the most amazing thing on earth; I truly believe it is far more awe inspiring than anything i have ever seen, heard, learnt or read about. (the human body, not the gaping anus)

I don't mind nakedness - i spend at least 5 hours per week marking the angles on a naked body, observing every inch in detail and creating a drawing. The human form is, without question, one of the most beautiful things on earth.

I don't mind sexual acts, in the right instance, at the right time, in the right context. It is when it is unnecessary, when it is what i myself find tasteless - and i understand that for each person, taste differs. But, i find it the worst when i don't expect it.

I feel the same every time i see this image, as i do when i get those little porn pop up things. I don't like them either. I think they are intrusive and quite simply, i find them invasive and not only physically but also conceptually ugly. I think they do little more than to turn such a beautiful thing as sex, into a brutal display for little more than attention and money.

I don't how clearly i have said why i don't like it. I don't think i can word why i don't like it exactly. I just don't think i do. Much like how i despise capsicum - i know i don't like the taste, but i can't explain why i can't just pick it out of my dinner, instead of cooking a separate meal, without any capsicum.

xXx

p.s 1234, i haven't read that book. Very interested though. Will have to look it up at uni tomorrow. :)
 
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Bluelight User Agreement:
Specifically you may not:
4. post or upload any content that victimizes, harasses, degrades, or intimidates an individual or group of individuals on the basis of race, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation or any other reason;

Even though Mr Goatse or Ms Tubgirl is a consenting adult and then arguably not being degraded, I think that if nothing else this particular thread has demonstrated that the image is at the very least intimidating other members.

This thread is testament to that fact.

Australia/Asia/NZ/Middle East Social Forum Guidelines:
Here's what is not acceptable in this forum:
- Topics that are clearly going to be found offensive

It is not the basis of "Avatar Freedom" that is getting me all bristled about these images, but more the fact that by default you are forced to view them. I could be wrong, but I think that technically on Bluelight's default settings avatars are turned on... so you are automatically forced to view posts that are arguably breaking the Bluelight End User Agreement and definately breaking this forum's guidelines.

Shocking images like these can occasionally be a good laugh. My confusion stems from the fact that if we are forced to put up a work-warning label on a image of a topless bluelighter in a Post-Your-Picture thread, then why the sudden uber-liberal attitudes concerning pictures of a naked japanese girl shitting all over herself or a man pulling apart his arse?

These are pictures that do not come with a work warning and which ~do~ appear in seemingly innocent threads such as the one about Kylie with cancer or a film review?


I have been on the internet long enough to realise that there is a lot of crazy stuff out there, but it sure is nice to come to a forum full of intelligent people discussing all sorts of topics without seeing the reflective gleam of the inside of a colon glaring back at me.

1234, I know you only posted this to get a rise out of people and it sure did work - but man, as a mod you are meant to be setting an example here. An avatar like that only does one thing other than shock - and that is to take away from your mostly otherwise clever and insightful posts.

it sure would be ace to read Bluelight while eating breakfast again...
 
Shnouzerpuff said:
Bluelight User Agreement:
Specifically you may not:
4. post or upload any content that victimizes, harasses, degrades, or intimidates an individual or group of individuals on the basis of race, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation or any other reason;

Even though Mr Goatse or Ms Tubgirl is a consenting adult and then arguably not being degraded, I think that if nothing else this particular thread has demonstrated that the image is at the very least intimidating other members.[/i]
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Sorry my boy you should read the agreement more carefully. There's no reason for the imtimidation so therefore there is no actually break of the user agreement.

Seriously, don't like his avatar, turn them off.

And as for work warning... Why on earth are people looking up a drug based internet site at work? Seriously, you cannot use that as an excuse.
 
Okay Grant, your avatar is really foul. I don't find 1234's offensive because it's kind of tiny and unclear, but I really, really find yours inappropriate and kind of stomach-churning. :\
 
ButrosButros_Grantos said:
Sorry my boy you should read the agreement more carefully. There's no reason for the imtimidation so therefore there is no actually break of the user agreement.

Seriously, don't like his avatar, turn them off.

And as for work warning... Why on earth are people looking up a drug based internet site at work? Seriously, you cannot use that as an excuse.
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Well my boy, I like how you carefully completely ignore my entire second point.

And as for work warning? I "seriously" can use it as an excuse. There are people who surf the many parts of this site that do not even touch on the drug side of it.

If normally an advertised "picture" thread with questionable images gets a WORK WARNING notice (enforced by mods nonetheless) then I am pretty sure that there is something amiss when you see hardcore images while browsing through innocent, unlabeled threads in the Film & TV forums or AusSocial.
 
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Originally posted by Shnouzerpuff
And as for work warning? I "seriously" can use it as an excuse. There are people who surf the many parts of this site that do not even touch on the drug side of it.

^Agreed. Excuse? ButrosButros_Grantos, what are you on about?!
Seriously, how does it affect you that there's a Work Warning on the title of this thread or not? I'm in no way trying to censor any part of the content, and I'm in no way claiming it's against guidelines.

I'd simply like to be forwarned if there are images that may be views as offensive to some in any thread before I open it. :\
 
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And as for work warning? I "seriously" can use it as an excuse. There are people who surf the many parts of this site that do not even touch on the drug side of it.
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Exactly my thoughts... looking at aust social would be no different to looking at inthemix or any other social forum.

I'm a big believer in freedom of expression and minimal censorship, however I also think that people should be able to make their own choice on whether they want to view it and I'm sorry, but I don't think that asking someone to turn off ALL avatars is acceptable, when it is only 1 or 2 questionable pictures.
 
because you should be working and not chatting on forums no? I think that's what he meant (what i did anyway)
 
Shnouzerpuff said:
Bluelight User Agreement:
Specifically you may not:

Shocking images like these can occasionally be a good laugh. My confusion stems from the fact that if we are forced to put up a work-warning label on a image of a topless bluelighter in a Post-Your-Picture thread, then why the sudden uber-liberal attitudes concerning pictures of a naked japanese girl shitting all over herself or a man pulling apart his arse?

These are pictures that do not come with a work warning and which ~do~ appear in seemingly innocent threads such as the one about Kylie with cancer or a film review?


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1234, I know you only posted this to get a rise out of people and it sure did work - but man, as a mod you are meant to be setting an example here. An avatar like that only does one thing other than shock - and that is to take away from your mostly otherwise clever and insightful posts.

it sure would be ace to read Bluelight while eating breakfast again...
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As someone who had to have a pic removed from "post your most recent pic" thread because there was a bit of body hair showing under my skirt (no skin mind you, just body hair) BY 1234, I find it totally inappropriate that he should be allowed to put this pic all over every board and thread that he frequents. It's revolting.

AND why should I not get to see everyone else's avatar just because he's showing his freedom of expression? While I appreciate Raz's point that I am effectively CHOOSING to see it by turning avatars off, I'm afraid it hinders the purpose of an "Australian Social discussion". I may be back in a few days.
 
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