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Will i see a decent government before i die?

F.U.B.A.R. said:
What Palestine really needs freeing from is Hamas.

Oh, and Islam...
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As a Muslim nation they would probably disagree on the latter… As an atheist I would argue all nations should be without religious bias so tend to agree with you, mind.

But it’s ultimately up to the people of Palestine to choose their own government.

Which covers the Hamas aspect too. Don’t like them either but as they’ve offered to leave and Israel won’t have it that leaves the people kinda stuck between a religious outlook and a hardline religious government… :!
 
There's some speculation on youtube about the possibility of Corbyn's new party forming a coalition with the Greens. This would give such a coalition a fighting chance of getting elected. Especially considering how unpopular Starmer's government already is after just one year, and the tories have a lot of damage to repair too.

Such a coalition would be awesome, in principle at least.

I guess Farage's Reform party will be the biggest threat. There may be a huge shift in the political order, come the next election.

Although I've been reminded to treat a lot of what is said on youtube with skepticism, or to at least look for sources to back up any claims.

For instance there does not seem to be anything else online corroborating the apparently false podcasts stating that the pension age in the UK is now set to rise to 68 for anyone born after April 1970, and due to come into effect in the 2030s.

And there was me getting all irate about something that does even not appear to be true. :roll eyes:

It seems quite complicated, but it looks like no government will be able to force through a further change such as that so quickly, and with so little notice.

"Fake News" as a certain Mr Trump would call it is absolutely rampant, it's refreshing to get a break from the MSM and their biases by watching youtube instead, but there is absolutely no quality control or verification of any of the content. It seems anyone can say anything, whether it's completely fabricated or not.
 
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Our current pension system is essentially an unsustainable ponzi scheme, if you're in your 20s or 30s i wouldn't bet on getting any sort of state pension
 
No state pension, and probably not an inhabitable planet. Late stage capitalism and Abrahamic religion will no doubt see to that.

F.U.B.A.R. said:
What Palestine really needs freeing from is Hamas.

Oh, and Islam...
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The number of people who excuse October the 7th outright because of the (horrific, disproportionate and deplorable) Israeli reaction is pretty horrifying. Nothing justifies the killing of civilians, whether that's by a militia or a national army. And killing in the thousands is no more honourable than killing in the tens of thousands.

In one day, Hamas killed more civilians than all iterations of the IRA combined in thirty years. Thought their Iranian 'buddies' would protect their arses, and were predictably sold out.

The Israeli government and Hamas should be deported to Antarctica with nothing but gay porn and pork chops to sustain them. Fight to the death, boys.
 
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Yeah, Israels reaction is extremely disproportionate but that doesn't change the fact that the Oct 7th attack was fucking horrible. The Pro-Palestine guys would probably have significantly more support if they stopped trying to portray Hamas as brave freedom fighters.

I think it's pretty much confirmed that the Israeli government helped get Hamas into power, because it's beneficial to them to have a bunch of unsympathetic cavemen in charge of Gaza.
 
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Oh, Israel definitely empowered Hamas in the knowledge that Hamas would completely fuck up Gaza. Which they did. They fund the Popular Forces now, which are even more lawless and gangster-ridden.

I've had to stop listening to some Muslim friends in certain situations because of the level of casual antisemitism. All the old tropes recycled. Zionist Occupation Government, etc.

In the words of a Jewish girlfriend of mine, "If we really control the world, how come nobody told me? I want in".
 
GulpingBatteryLiquid said:
Didn't they break into a military base and vandalise planes? It's not really the same as drawing a crude penis on the side of a bus stop. I don't think that a bunch of boomers going out of their way to get themselves arrested is helping the Palestinian cause much, in any case.

Regarding asylum seekers, the problem is that the bar is incredibly low for claiming asylum, you can turn up with no identification, claim that you're gay and from Pakistan or whatever, without showing any evidence, and you're classed as an asylum seeker. Even if your claim is rejected you often get to stay anyway. If you think that none of the people turning up at Dover are taking the piss somewhat you're very naïve.
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There ain't resistance if everyone needs to love resistance first.
 
What are they resisting? Britain has pretty much zero control over what Israel does. I can understand Americans protesting about it because the USA is Israel's sugar daddy, but that just isn't the case in Britain. Neither the IDF or Hamas are going to pay any attention to fat Keir.
 
Perkins : Reborn said:
Oh, Israel definitely empowered Hamas in the knowledge that Hamas would completely fuck up Gaza. Which they did. They fund the Popular Forces now, which are even more lawless and gangster-ridden.

I've had to stop listening to some Muslim friends in certain situations because of the level of casual antisemitism. All the old tropes recycled. Zionist Occupation Government, etc.

In the words of a Jewish girlfriend of mine, "If we really control the world, how come nobody told me? I want in".
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There are valid concerns about the amount of sway the Israeli lobby holds over the USA, and since America is the global superpower that filters down to Britain, see the last few Middle Eastern wars we got involved in which were of no benefit to us, we just ruined countries that Israel wasn't friendly with for essentially no reason.

But yes, some people take this too far and just devolve into crude antisemitism, which isn't helpful
 
GulpingBatteryLiquid said:
There are valid concerns about the amount of sway the Israeli lobby holds over the USA, and since America is the global superpower that filters down to Britain, see the last few Middle Eastern wars we got involved in which were of no benefit to us, we just ruined countries that Israel wasn't friendly with for essentially no reason.

But yes, some people take this too far and just devolve into crude antisemitism, which isn't helpful
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The biggest US Israel lobby group by far is Christians United for Israel. Membership in the tens of millions.

But that doesn't sit well with the Islamists, who believe that Jesus will return from Heaven only to convert ('revert' in their terms) all the Christians to Islam. So Christians get a pass for now. Batshit crazy bollocks.
 
Yeah, American Evangelicals are pretty bonkers. I'm not a biblical scholar but I don't think there's a passage that says a bunch of German and Polish guys have to turn up and bulldoze the houses of the locals so that the rapture that can happen.

There are groups like AIPAC, that may have less members, but are very influential over American politicians. A lot of higher level American politicians have dedicated AIPAC handlers.
 
GulpingBatteryLiquid said:
Yeah, Israels reaction is extremely disproportionate but that doesn't change the fact that the Oct 7th attack was fucking horrible. The Pro-Palestine guys would probably have significantly more support if they stopped trying to portray Hamas as brave freedom fighters.

I think it's pretty much confirmed that the Israeli government helped get Hamas into power, because it's beneficial to them to have a bunch of unsympathetic cavemen in charge of Gaza.
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Well the Israelis pretty much pushed Hamas into power after pushing the previously secular Palestinian government out of power and into exile… almost as though they’ve always been playing the long game… :sus:

I would also push back on n the “Hamas as brave freedom fighters” notion. I’m very much embedded in the political Left and don’t know anybody who suggests that.

There’s some truth to the fact the Left tended to point out the socially good aspects of Hamas’ governance, but I’ve literally never heard anybody say they are a truly legitimate or worth-keeping government.
 
You're probably in the more sensible left wing circles. I don't think it's very common but there are definitely some on the the Pro Palestine side who support HAMAS and think that October 7th was justified
 
Sadly, many otherwise moderate and reasonable Muslims have jumped off into the deep end on this one.

I had a Muslim guy tell me that October the 7th was completely staged by Israel. Then when that was exposed as complete bullshit, Hamas are 'heroes'.

And that's a moderate Muslim. Imagine what the hardliners are thinking. But the hardliners are in Qatar and Iran, and they live in luxury whilst people are bombed out of their own territories.

Fuck Judaism, fuck Christianity and fuck Islam. Nonsense misogynist Sky Daddy death cults.
 
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