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Stimulants Why isn't methamphetamine popular in Europe?

Meth is quite popular in certain areas of Europe and certain groups.

First of all it is widespread in LGBT "party"community particularly in London, Berlin and Barcelona.

The second group consists of physical workers, drivers, construction crews, and small time criminals, hooligans etc in Eastern Europe.

Third very closed group are Thai and Vietnamese communities in Europe.

As to the first you it is usually provided by escorts in these main cities, chemsex parties, gay saunas and massage places. It is a well known problem in the community and drug services. Usually combined with GHB. In Spain coke is seen as better alternative but it still exists as a choice.

The second group is in Czech Republic, Poland, Eastern Germany. Particularly Lower and Upper Silesia in Poland. It usually is very impure, often the "wired" type of meth that causes psychosis without euphoric effects and dangerous. Since Ukraine-Russian war, sometimes they sell Alpha PVP or other synthetic drugs as meth. It is used by niche group of users from the lower strata of society, and is competing with mephedrone(or what is sold as such) which is the most popular stimulant drug in Eastern Europe. About two-three months ago they busted a lab operated by Mexicans and Columbians near Warsaw, which to me indicates groups from South America want to sell the product to immigrant workers in Eastern Europe(there is a huge number of them now in the region)

The third group is very closed and usually is just used within it, although they were cases where Vietnamese and Thais started selling/offering it. There was a bust in Switzerland in Thai massage places were meth was offered and some Vietnamese shops in Poland, Czech Republic and Eastern Germany were busted under the same reason.

At least this is my extent of knowledge as a former UK addict, there are probably more nuances and groups I am not aware of(for instance I heard Greece has meth problem, but it is very impure and toxic there, made with bottom tier chemicals). I know nothing about Netherlands, Belgium and France is an absolute black hole(although logically there has to be a huge drug user community there)


In my view, generally the drugs in Europe became very polluted since 2022 war due to trade of synthetic drugs from Ukraine and the same applies to meth. Probably best to stay away unless you want to risk serious poisoning or damage to your body. Most drugs today are synthetic chems sold as something else.
 
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Meth is quite popular in certain areas of Europe and certain groups.

First of all it is widespread in LGBT "party"community particularly in London, Berlin and Barcelona.

The second group consists of physical workers, drivers, construction crews, and small time criminals, hooligans etc in Eastern Europe.

Third very closed group are Thai and Vietnamese communities in Europe.

As to the first you it is usually provided by escorts in these main cities, chemsex parties, gay saunas and massage places. It is a well known problem in the community and drug services. Usually combined with GHB. In Spain coke is seen as better alternative but it still exists as a choice.

The second group is in Czech Republic, Poland, Eastern Germany. Particularly Lower and Upper Silesia in Poland. It usually is very impure, often the "wired" type of meth that causes psychosis without euphoric effects and dangerous. Since Ukraine-Russian war, sometimes they sell Alpha PVP or other synthetic drugs as meth. It is used by niche group of users from the lower strata of society, and is competing with mephedrone(or what is sold as such) which is the most popular stimulant drug in Eastern Europe. About two-three months ago they busted a lab operated by Mexicans and Columbians near Warsaw, which to me indicates groups from South America want to sell the product to immigrant workers in Eastern Europe(there is a huge number of them now in the region)

The third group is very closed and usually is just used within it, although they were cases where Vietnamese and Thais started selling/offering it. There was a bust in Switzerland in Thai massage places were meth was offered and some Vietnamese shops in Poland, Czech Republic and Eastern Germany were busted under the same reason.

At least this is my extent of knowledge as a former UK addict, there are probably more nuances and groups I am not aware of(for instance I heard Greece has meth problem, but it is very impure and toxic there, made with bottom tier chemicals). I know nothing about Netherlands, Belgium and France is an absolute black hole(although logically there has to be a huge drug user community there)


In my view, generally the drugs in Europe became very polluted since 2022 war due to trade of synthetic drugs from Ukraine and the same applies to meth. Probably best to stay unless you want to risk serious poisoning or damage to your body. Most drugs today are synthetic chems sold as something else.

There was some talk about Dutch XTC producers switching to meth with help from people from the cartels.

But base cocaine is much more popular in The Netherlands.
 
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There was some talk about Dutch XTC producers switching to meth with help from people from the cartels.

But base cocaine is much more popular in The Netherlands.
I’m Dutch, live in the only worthwhile city in the south currently and have seen the popularity of premade crack in the dope scene.
They make it with ammonia.
The guys involved are barely adults.

Cocaine is cheap as fuck nowadays <€40 per g for consumer amounts of decent quality.
Just don’t buy cocaine on Friday,Saturday and Sunday and your quality will be good.

I can get anything besides meth. Weed,coke,heroin,mdma,speed,Ghb,Ket takes less time to buy than a pack of smokes.

I wish I could find some meth, if i can’t find some before the end of the year ill just go to Prague for a weekend and send myself some presents back. iirc 1000 crowns will get you some hq Vietczech meff.

or download grindr but I feel like an asshole using their platform just to get drugs.
 
I’m Dutch, live in the only worthwhile city in the south currently and have seen the popularity of premade crack in the dope scene.
They make it with ammonia.
The guys involved are barely adults.

Wouldn't that be base rather than crack?

I can get anything besides meth. Weed,coke,heroin,mdma,speed,Ghb,Ket takes less time to buy than a pack of smokes.

In our Dutch 'Gay Capital' city I got my meth and keta delivered faster than when I had ordered a pizza.
 
Wouldn't that be base rather than crack?



In our Dutch 'Gay Capital' city I got my meth and keta delivered faster than when I had ordered a pizza.
I hear them call it crack. But you are right, coke+bicarb creates cocaine carbonate right?
Coke + ammonia is official base coke afaik.

When I lived in germany all the junkies used bicarb.

Cba to look it up rn. Just got some free heroin (0.2ish) and it’s actually not too bad. The nitty told me it was mixed 1:0.5 but that doesnt mean anything if you dont know the purity of the “pure” #3. Btw holy fuck the #3 is so compressed getting it in usable powder form takes quite some time.


Might go shopping in the city you mentioned, i still have lots of numbers of guys with big ass menus so im sure I’ll find something.
 
Talking of crack, had some crackin' crack a couple of weekends ago.

Rocked up in front of me by an old mate using decent quality coke. It was lush.

Each pipe gave a long lasting high that didn't start feeling sketchy until around the tenth hit.

Even then, it was easy to put down with no fiending. Hell, I even left some for the mrs.

Couple of spliffs and slept like a baby.

Don't often get crack like that...


Edit: smoked it in a glass pipe with a piece of metal pan scrubber like the yanks do. Far superior than those home made bottle pipes using ash as a substrate. Much nicer tasting and when I cleaned the pipe out with acetone, the yield was about half as much again.
 
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Yesterday morning I went to my dentist here in Amsterdam (where I don't live anymore), then off-loaded all non essentials except my key, my travel card and some cash and went to buy base in a place I bought it before last August.

Didn't buy that much, but when I was done carpet surfing and watching embarrassing porno videos it was late in the afternoon and I decided to buy a small (but not that small) bottle of Jim Beam. Which helped with the paranoia and the jitters.

Also threw away the pipe and cigarettes I bought that morning, in the same place I threw away my NEP supplies earlier this year.

Wish I had brought my Pyrazolam and taken that instead.

As a gay man I have had a couple of dates with men with meth. Most here in Amsterdam. One in Haarlem. One in London. One in a place by the Thames cycling on my way from Harwich to Kemble.

Don't know anything about meth use by Dutch people in The Netherlands outside of gay men.

There's a YouTube video of a Dutch addiction doctor from a few years back who said they first assumed methamfetamine wasn't in The Netherlands.

Then we had the meth lab scare, but it seems production is/was mostly for use abroad.

Now the Dutch media seem to be much more focused on RC-stims, and recently base, which they call 'crack' (in all fairness, Dutch users also sometimes call it that).

In August, an addict I had hooked up with, and that I smoked base with told me we were smoking base and that smoking crack was different.
 
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Meth is quite popular in certain areas of Europe and certain groups.

First of all it is widespread in LGBT "party"community particularly in London, Berlin and Barcelona.

The second group consists of physical workers, drivers, construction crews, and small time criminals, hooligans etc in Eastern Europe.

Third very closed group are Thai and Vietnamese communities in Europe.

As to the first you it is usually provided by escorts in these main cities, chemsex parties, gay saunas and massage places. It is a well known problem in the community and drug services. Usually combined with GHB. In Spain coke is seen as better alternative but it still exists as a choice.

The second group is in Czech Republic, Poland, Eastern Germany. Particularly Lower and Upper Silesia in Poland. It usually is very impure, often the "wired" type of meth that causes psychosis without euphoric effects and dangerous. Since Ukraine-Russian war, sometimes they sell Alpha PVP or other synthetic drugs as meth. It is used by niche group of users from the lower strata of society, and is competing with mephedrone(or what is sold as such) which is the most popular stimulant drug in Eastern Europe. About two-three months ago they busted a lab operated by Mexicans and Columbians near Warsaw, which to me indicates groups from South America want to sell the product to immigrant workers in Eastern Europe(there is a huge number of them now in the region)

The third group is very closed and usually is just used within it, although they were cases where Vietnamese and Thais started selling/offering it. There was a bust in Switzerland in Thai massage places were meth was offered and some Vietnamese shops in Poland, Czech Republic and Eastern Germany were busted under the same reason.

At least this is my extent of knowledge as a former UK addict, there are probably more nuances and groups I am not aware of(for instance I heard Greece has meth problem, but it is very impure and toxic there, made with bottom tier chemicals). I know nothing about Netherlands, Belgium and France is an absolute black hole(although logically there has to be a huge drug user community there)


In my view, generally the drugs in Europe became very polluted since 2022 war due to trade of synthetic drugs from Ukraine and the same applies to meth. Probably best to stay away unless you want to risk serious poisoning or damage to your body. Most drugs today are synthetic chems sold as something else.
Because it was proven to have no medical benefit s/ officially :unsure:, basically before it was quite popular in the Netherlands, WIKIPEDIA mention s a ISBN 9789026358708 [book-number. It s called something like 'Methyl-Amfetamine in de Lage Landen'

gonna look it up. But it s very well-known that somewhere during till the 70 ties different stimulant s among Meth were available and medically on prescription.
This must have been before Heroin made a entrance when it was introduced by stationed ex-Vietnam soldiers.

Herman Brood one of the early Speed freaks and Musician and artist. In his Biographie mention s stealing dr. s prescription pad s. But didn t keep up with which stimulant s were maybe abandoned. And filled in a script for 90 x 10 mg [?] but it got denied for filling a script for a substance with no medical application.

Heard other s from that generation mention Pervitine and another person who got Methedrine, just ever the border in Belgium. Herman Brood got a notification that any script in they future needed to be verified before be filled. Oops.

After it fell of the radar long big void. But i read a story about why it was not in the UK.
And Amphetamine is like here, and it was the ease off precursors. Not easy or OTC Ephedrine. In the beginning and easy access to a Speed precursor through car racing. A.o. And then there was DW. Which should have made it available enough by know ?
 
They have been shipping Meth to the world but in the Netherlands i don t see nothing.
Speed Ok damn cheap & HQ. The youth might prefer Flakka/ Cocaine and 3-MMC.

Although Crack is mentioned a lot. Used to be base-Coke, and secluded to the Heroin scene. Name mix-up or does the younger generation get served crack for breakfast.
But the investigation in the book:

"A quest for the origin and distribution of one of the most addictive drugs of our time. Since his appointment in Mexico City as financial correspondent for Latin America, Arthur Debruyne has increasingly been confronted with the notorious drug crime there. He starts to follow the news about transports, gangs, addicts and corruption closely, but becomes really fascinated when he reads that two Mexican farmers have been arrested in a crystal meth lab in... Netherlands

This is where his impressive search for the origin and spread of one of the most addictive drugs of our time begins. In recent years, the Netherlands has grown into a global player in the production of the powerful and addictive intoxicant methamphetamine. Enterprising Dutch people fly in specialized Mexican lab technicians to make the meth, which they then ship to the profitable markets of the United States, Australia and Japan. The 'cooks' often come from the Mexican state of Sinaloa, notorious as the cradle of the drug cartel of the same name. Their sophisticated "Mexican method" has become the obsession of police and forensic scientists, who are staging groundbreaking operations to stop the meteoric rise of meth. "


Date april-2023
 
It's fascinating how different countries could be. I am in eastern Europe, meth is available here, but for me there is no value in that as I do not like it ( mainly due to too long duration) and would not bother to buy or use it.
I would much prefer some amphetamine, which is totally rare, had it only twice in small amounts in 30 years.
 
Meth in Eastern Europe is often not really meth, but RC's sold as such. If it is, it usually is the type that gets you wired, anxious and insomniac for days, mainly because the main clients are workers working long shifts in warehouses and logistical centres.
Not saying there isn't the "euphoric" kind out there, but you would probably need connections or luck.
The whole LGBT party scene in Poland is based around mephedrone(or what they pretend is mephedrone), in Czech Republic their crappy meth, Germany meth, coke and GHB. Almost never met anyone using crack, besides one TS escort several years ago that claimed she escaped Warsaw because of addiction to crack there.
The quality and purity of drugs in EE is so bad it led me to become sober. Zero euphoria, max nausea.
 
In terms of the UK specifically, there's virtually only one place that meth use is super common, cheap, and often of relatively high quality and that is in Brighton.
However, its never in regular pubs or clubs but its absolutely everywhere on the gay scene.
I am not gay myself, but I was born in brighton and have a lot of gay friends. I have been a DJ and party organiser/promoter for 20 years all over the country and its only in brighton parties/clubs/raves with a significant amount of lgbtq folk that i have seen it... i mean ive literally seen multiple folk with glass pipes and jet lighters smoking it openly on the dance floor whilst im banging out a set.
After my sets done and im interested in havin a bit of a dance and a good time ive found that amongst that community meth and ghb are the ONLY drugs available in the club... no mdma/coke etc
It first came in around 2015 and was like £100 for 0.25 of low quality, which is mental.... by the pandemic though, with the obvious decline if street/club dealers there was an enormous rise in "drop shops", all competing with each other to scoop up the gap in the market left by scoring in social places, and many of which were delivering a plethora of drugs to your door by dudes on scooters... by 2022 meth dropped to £40/50 for a full gram of insanely potent shards... It was then i discovered how perfect ghb was in combination.. in fact i couldnt handle meth without the ghb... it made it super euphoric/sexy/smooth without its horrible anxiety and twitchy side effects.... could get it delivered quicker than local pizza.... made lockdown with my newly aqcuired japanese pole dancer gf an insane experience... i dont think my willy has quite recovered bwahahahahahaha
 
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