why do we do drugs?

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^ exactly...most of us are unhappy in some way maybe with something in our lives we don't wanna think about or unhappy with someone. Sometimes you may not even notice your unhappiness right away...like me i lived in disbelief untill i started seeing a thearapist.
I am learning that there is more to life than getting high but i still do it just for fun.
 
i started doing oxys cause it made me not wanna drink. also i was confused with what i wanted to do with my life. im off them now and i look back and it was a horrible 2 years of my life. a depressing miserable time as well. well you live and learn. if anyone thinks they can live a sucessful life doing oxys there full of shit. it will bring yo down sooner or later. you either have to have them evryday to function in life or none at all. if you have them everyday you will run out and be sick. loose your job and be depressed until you do another. those pills are the worst. im glad im off them.
 
also i will add if there were no consequences in getting high this whole world would be. like if opiates didnt make you sick when you ran out. many would be on them.
 
The reasons I have enjoyed various chemicals in the past as opposed to the present are radically different. In the past I used because:
1. Marijuanna enhanced music, friendship, food, laughter, rebellion
2. The odd rails of coke made me feel happy, energetic, allowed me to be Jane Q. Outlaw with my friends
3. The odd trip with mushrooms or LSD were awesome! It was like opening doors to different parts of my mind and going on adventures that were otherwise closed off.
4. I snorted meth because I loved the extra energy it gave me to do otherwise unwanted projects like housecleaning or otherwise mundane things that bored me to tears.
5. I snorted meth to lose weight. I snorted meth because I loved meeting different people and having conversations that would never have happened had I been sober. I was naturally shy.
6. I snorted meth because it gave me enthusiasm towards parts of my life that were otherwise dull or dreadful.
7. I snorted meth because eventually I became dependent on it. I also had to have it in order to maintain my gorgeous small waist line or else I'd fucking hate myself.
8. I took painkillers because I suffered from excruciating migraine headaches. I took them also because for a while they made me relax and not get upset about shit that would normally piss me off.
9. I took painkillers in order to relax and be free of sexual inhibitions which I could not be rid of while sober.
10. I took painkillers because I fell in love with the buzz they provided. I could also tell my lover what I truly felt about him, as well as other friends and family that no way in hell I could tell when sober.
11. I took painkillers because one day all my meth suppliers went dry. I gained some weight back. I loathed myself and life. I resorted to them in order to make life bearable.
12. I took painkillers because one day I became a full on junkie.
13. Five years later, now only taking painkillers, but 25% of what I had been taking I started taking perscription speed to enable me to stick to a diet and lose weight, which I did. I lost 70 pounds.
14. I snorted meth cause I could have great sex for hours at a time which otherwise would not have been possible sober. Meth also allowed me to be free of rediculous inhibitions I couldn't be rid of sober.
15. The world was making $$$$ off the RX speed and now started charging triple what it used to cost. I had lost the weight I wanted, but wanted to maintain that weight loss. I went to a dealer instead.
16. I snorted meth cause I was having a blast with my new founds thin figure. I loved life, became an exotic dancer by night. I had been a nurse by day. Meth helped me give a marvelous performance as a dancer.
17. I took the odd painkiller to help the odd headache and to come down once in a while.
18. I took meth because I became an addict. Losing job after job, I was finally broke forcing me to cut back. Once I had work, I did meth again.
19. I started slamming meth because I had slammed it 16 years prior to when I slammed it again. I fell in love with the intensity and the rush all over again.
20. I slammed meth because I simply loved how I felt while being high. I couldn't imagine life without it.
21. I slammed meth because I became an addict.
22. Once I became hooked, I almost lost another job. I knew I'd once again be back on the street. Instead of giving it up completely, I decided on a program. 90 days off/7 days on.
23. Slamming meth on a program the last 2 years has worked very well for me. I slam because I love the intense rush and excitement it gives me.
24. I slam meth for the rare opportunity to enjoy and open up with another slammer. (Which is rare.) With the right person, it is beautiful.
25. Now, the #1 reason I slam meth on a schedule every 3 months is because I love where it takes my mind. I am a writer and have sat for hours on end creating all sorts of literature that otherwise would not have been possible sober. Not because meth gives me talent, but because it opens doors in my brain and ideas/scripts literally flood out.
 
i do opiates because they clear my head 100%, i get way more creative, social, friendlier, motivated, and hungry
it's like if i'm not on them i'm extremely shy and only talk to my real close friends, i can't seen to get to know anyone at work because i block everyout of my life, if i goto work on opiates i and 300% more productive and i get along with everyone there way better and they like me better, so i don't know what my deal is, even when i stopped opiates for like 5 months i was still not normal, i couldn't make any new friends at work or even strike up conversations, the only reason i have a girlfriend now is because i was high on oxy and spit a ton of game and she liked me alot more, pisses me off, it seems like opiates the are the only answer to my problems in life. i went to rehab and all that shit, was clean 5 months and couldn't get along with anyone then i did some oxy and it was like i was a normal coherant person again, does anyone have any suggestions on this on how to feel normal without opiates?
 
well, u must define what "normal" is, then i can answer your question...
the main reason i use drugs(OPIATES) is to MELLOW OUT and to eliminate boredom..i have always had a problem with being able to sit around and relax yet with OPIATES that problem is solved within 5 minutes...im sure i could be diagnosed with some type of mental disorder(ADD or something to that effect) but whom else couldnt??there is a "disease" or name for every mental/physical affliction out there and i take OPIATES to CURE mine....i also take them for chronic back and shoulder pain...killing 2 birds with one stone :)
i dont take drugs to expand my mind or to escape family problems, i simply take drugs to "self medicate"...
like many have said, escaping BOREDOM is probably the numero uno reason we use drugs...sure, there are many great things to do in life besides drugs BUT those activities can only be done to such an extent before they become dull and boring...drugs, on the other hand, NEVER become boring...
i will also agree that it probably does have something to do with natural dopamine levels as well...it has been shown some are born with high levels, therefore are able to enjoy the "smaller" things in life, whereas others are born with lower levels of dopamine to where they NEED a large dopamine rush(this is where drugs do the trick to a "T") in order to enjoy themselves...i firmly believe this is a big factor in many of us taking drugs...
 
Originally posted by SovietContin:

Why the hell is Shulgin so great? Wonderful chemist, yes. Great philosopher? Give me a break.

He's definitely not a great philosopher, but he is a smart guy with a lot of worthwile things to say.
The guy has dedicated almost his entire life to finding some chemical that will somehow lead mankind to some revelation that will result in some psychorevolution.
I think this is a great misunderstanding of his motivations. In the introduction to PiHKAL, he says (I may not have this verbatim), "enlightenment is when you know yourself. I have found my learning path." He is NOT looking for a psychospiritual panacea and never has never claimed to be. He is simply exploring agents that can enhance understanding of the self and its relationship to the environment.
There is absolutely nothing a drug can make you think that wouldn't be possible to do with a sober mind.
This is absolutely true. However, what matters is not whether it is *possible* but whether it is *probable* It would not very probable that starch would degrade to sugar in your mouth unless that degradation were catalyzed by the enzyme amylase. Psychedelic drugs are catalysts for the release of unconscious material and the reprogramming of the mind.
If chemistry is fun for him, fine. But come on, the guy is as old as dirt and now he's resorted to isolating compounds from cactii to find some new wonder drug that doesn't exist.
Again, this is a very cynical view of his work. He was never looking for a magic bullet wonder drug in the first place.
And it's just really sad watching Anne promote MDMA without having the slightest idea of how the average person simply abuses it.
This is patently false. The Shulgins are keenly aware of the manner in which the average person abuses MDMA, and are very saddened by it.
He's an intelligent guy, but he utterly lacks common sense.
Why do you say this. Timothy Leary utterly lacked common sense. Shulgin, on the other hand, has not gotten carried away with promotion of his drugs. This information SHOULD be out there.
And while I believe that some of his chemical creations might have *some* benefits, the whole thing is entirely overrated.
Perhaps it is. Or perhaps this is just a result of your cynicism from having done too many drugs without a proper spiritual framework. Myron Stolaroff, one of the first psychiatrists to do experiments on people with LSD and mescaline, always emphasized the importance of a strong meditation practice in integrating drug experiences. SovietContin, have you used drugs wisely? I think not. Here is a short article by Stolaroff that I think sets forth a good framework for wise use: www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lsd/stolarof.htm
I'm sorry, but his writing hasn't done much of anything in terms of helping to understand the human mind.
I agree with you. However, it DOES illustrate the manner in which his use of entheogens helped him and his wife in understanding the human psyche.
His experience summaries often make mention of sexuality which has nothing to do with the drugs, but his own personal psyche.
My point exactly. The discussion of sexuality, and your recognition of it as a reflection of his personal psyche, underlines the conception of the drugs as catalysts.
And so far his drugs have done nothing but given thousands of young adults the opportunity to get high in the name of science which is a joke.
Again, a very cynical viewpoint, though not one without justification. His drugs have, however, accomplished other things. A not insignificant number of psychiatrists have used his drugs in their practice.
I have yet to read a trip report where someone has made any relevant statement about how the human mind functions or any serious revolutionary new understanding of human consciousness.
To understand the human mind and consciousness in a general sense, it is first necessary to understand one's own mind in a very specific sense. Think of it as a case study. There are very few people in the world who have even reached the stage where they can understand themselves, much less the whole of humanity. And also, how many trip report writers do you think have the necessary education in neuroscience and psychology to make these breakthroughs? You are confusing lack of education with lack of catalytic potential.
I can't help but think that you are just overly jaded. I am also experienced in psychedelic use (though probably not as experienced as you), but I, unlike you, have realized that the problem is not that I am expecting something that the drug can never catalyze. Rather, it is that I need to build a spiritual practice which will be able to support this catalysis in a manner that my current lifestyle can not.
 
i ask myself the smae question sometimes. i used to do drugs every once in a while. but its become more frequent, which kinda freaks me out. i am pretty much a happy person when im not, but theres a part of me that loves to do them to escape reality of life and not care about what is going on in it. i have some of the greatest memories when i was on drugs. but also i have had things happen that should make me never want to touch them again. it makes no sense. i guess like most people, i like what they do, and this is the time to do them.
 
I don't know, Sometimes I'm very light on drugs, and i only take some and have lots and lots of hun...
But sometimes my drug habbit takes its turns for worse, and It gets a little out of hand and I think oh dam "am i and addict"
But Over all I have more good times then bad, but i honestly can't say why i do drugs... I just do
 
When I first got into drugs, I was depressed and I needed an escape from reality.
After years of experimenting with many drugs, I decided I would do without them. That includes alcohol and cigarettes.
The only drug I will still do, is Ecstasy. I do this about once a year, with my friends.
It is not an escape from reality now, it is a spiritual learning experience to help me in reality.
 
"a spiritual learning experience on how to deal with reality"....i really dont understand this statement...please explain...
so many drug users(i know many alcoholics especially) whom know they are destroying their families and their health by using drugs BUT they look forward so much to taking the drug and experiencing the drugs effects that it overrides their common sense....they have the thinking pattern "you only live once, so you might as well live it how you want".....isnt this statement true??i pretty much think so as long you arent hurting/fucking with other people in the process...
 
my view is that our aim of this earth is to achieve happiness
and drugs are often a quick way to experiemce that for a few hours
i guess that if you talk about happiness in a scale of 1 to 10, and most people are at 8, well then by taking drugs you will just make that more erratic.....you will be at 28 for a few hours but then at 3 for the rest of the week......thats how i kinda see it....
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Several reasons.
One, MDMA has proven to be cheaper and more effective than my therapist. I'm willing to risk a little brain damage if it means I can sleep at night knowing I have looked at my problems from every possible angle.
Two, sometimes it's just too hard to deal. Call me weak if you want, but it's the truth. I just can't do it sometimes and being on drugs is better than being dead.
And three... some are just plain fun. Sure, some you start out with the be fucked up (like I did with MDMA) and later learn what a valuable tool it can be for you. But some stay fun forever.
 
i would have to say because im an addict, i started cause it felt good now because i hate being sober i get all depressed and shit if i dont do anything for more then 24 hours
 
I use drugs because they're fun and helpful.
Drugs like weed disinhibit me (i have mild social anxiety disorder, im shy), and its really helpful. I stopped doing E 2 years ago since i dont wanna destroy anymore of my precious 5-HT1A serotonin neurons. I use speed sometimes to make me turn into a super-geek.. I feel like I know every secret of the universe, like Einstein or something. I use hallucinogens to open my perceptions and to escape my boring reality.
I use disassociatives to ... well, I dunno, but K-holes are fun as hell. It seems, that while on ketamine, I dont need any friends and can be all by myself and have fun exploring near death experiences...I like the confusion it gives me, making me trip out on everything in sight, thinking "whats this, where am I, am I dead?"
I don't drink alcohol anymore because its too weak for me, all it does is make me nauseous.
I cant get high off cocaine/crack either...
too weak, I never feel anything. Drugs help me to cope with my loneliness. If I were to never use drugs, I would probably be a UNIX sysadmin right now, making $5000/month, but I still would be a loser with no social life. hehe.
 
The Reason I use Drugs, is to try new things, I used to go all out with Physical activity, jumping off cliffs into water, driving fast, but none of those things are as rewarding as listening to some good techno or taking country "cruise" while on a good dose of Shrooms or AMT, I will say it again, drugs ARE NOT for everyone, but Drugs are definetly for ME! Pushing my self to limit is what I live for, these chemicals just represent a new "mental" limit for me to reach, but I hope I NEVER break it.....
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I do drugs because if I don't my stomach ties up in knots, my body aches and my brain starts screaming at me. Yes I am a heroin addict. I started doing it because life is dull, full of empty promises that never deliver. Boredom sends me into major depression thinking about how on earth could things get better when nothing interests me. I do drugs because they instantly make life nice, warm, caring and seriene. Give me a life time supply of H a comfy warm bed and I'll be quite content, sad but true.
 
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