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Why do people use dangerous/harmful drugs?
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Pharcyde
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no hard feelings
daysonatrain
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this thread is pure ridiculousness
op is a troll or just really stupid
op is a troll or just really stupid
ChemicalSmiles
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OP jumped from a discussion of why people use narcotics, to a drugged driving debate... then went on to say how marijuana causes brain damage long after it is smoked.... Troll or Idiot... I don't really care.
Edit: PS!
Have you ever heard of drunk driving? Completely legal substance... Surely if it was dangerous the FDA would let us know! Right?
Edit: PS!
Have you ever heard of drunk driving? Completely legal substance... Surely if it was dangerous the FDA would let us know! Right?
deadhead507461
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I know why I use dangerous and harmful drugs.
Lifes too short.
Lifes a Bitch, Then you DIE.
So why not have the most fun you can, explore every corner of your mind thru drugs or just life experiences, fuck I dont want to die with regrets.
dont want to miss a damn thang
Lifes too short.
Lifes a Bitch, Then you DIE.
So why not have the most fun you can, explore every corner of your mind thru drugs or just life experiences, fuck I dont want to die with regrets.
dont want to miss a damn thang
Depressicaa
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y u cum 2 drg 4m n ask dum qestions n say rted tings? 8)
go bak 2 DARE you 12yo n lsn 2 teir lies
Sweet P
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Because I don't follow every law. Just because something is illegal, that doesn't make it automatically bad. In some countries it's illegal to protest against the government, or for women to be seen outside without wearing a burka. As Martin Luther King Jr. said, "Just as it is the duty of all men to obey just laws, so it is the duty of all men to disobey unjust laws". I see laws against drugs as unjust.
Hmm. After reading the question I was slightly irritated and angry at world ignorance. After reading comments/replies these 2 things were only and sadly increased. I always read through responses and follow ups in case they alter my perceptions or response - I was really rooting for this to be an intelligent discussion. I should have stuck with my instinct: unintelligent question will only lead to an irritating thread.
When people talk about 'drug use' and 'danger' and blah blah blah, harsher penalties and DEATH I immediately wonder: does this person drink alcohol ? Do they 'use' caffeine? What is their life like that they have such moral authority?
Further, I don't think anyone can critique or say something is horrible w/o any experience with it - yes, their are outliers (murder for example, but come on).
When people talk about 'drug use' and 'danger' and blah blah blah, harsher penalties and DEATH I immediately wonder: does this person drink alcohol ? Do they 'use' caffeine? What is their life like that they have such moral authority?
Further, I don't think anyone can critique or say something is horrible w/o any experience with it - yes, their are outliers (murder for example, but come on).
Because they like the way it feels, least thats my reason...
Pharcyde
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to the wrist atleast
Sentience
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Its probably a troll.
When I read stuff like this I assume its actually some druggie or left wing radical posting just to make a certain perspective look ridiculous.....I hope.
People with these attitudes really exist though. Its basically Reagan's drug policy, only voiced even less intelligently.
When I read stuff like this I assume its actually some druggie or left wing radical posting just to make a certain perspective look ridiculous.....I hope.
People with these attitudes really exist though. Its basically Reagan's drug policy, only voiced even less intelligently.
Wow got a lot to go over here let's begin,
No offense but everything, all of your arguments sound like a dare video class and out dated government propaganda.
Edit: I went over and in some cases broke down ever post you made in this thread so far giving my argument, if your not a troll I believe you and I and many other posters here on Bluelight can have a healthy well rounded debate over this subject, if you don't respond I will consider you a troll of new stature and treat you as such.
I use illegal drugs because it feels good and can expand the mind help you connect with others and it's fun.
Not to mention driving fast is FUN,Maybe because some of us have nice cars and someplace to get to
In the sense that breaking the law is breaking the law, yes I do, both are illegal period.
Not true at all plenty of sober people get into car accidents all the time.
I beg to differ I have witnessed first hand people driving beyond there abilities and eating guard rail and the were sober.
People sober or not make driving errors but, this is the same as an alcoholic driving drunk and yet booze is legal.
Again I say look at alcohol. Cannabis causes much less damage than booze though I do agree driving inebriated is a bad thing to do.
Morphine is derived from you guessed it HEROIN, and adderall is legal speed and they hand it out like candy to kids it's just as dangerous and addictive as street drugs even under doctors watch even aspirin can KILL YOU.
We are a harm reduction forum but not in the way you may think, instead of lieing and trying to scare people out of using them we encourage safer use by giving people as accurate of information as we can. The laws you speak of do not prevent or inhibit anyone from buying or using illicit substances the majority believes and has scene prohibition doesn't work.
The cops do it cause it's there job don't mean I gotta like it and uh really in prison you become a better criminal you don't get your life together.
No, no, and doubt it.
You are VERY wrong if anything they are far to harsh and people use them because they can and like to use them. All this is is the same crap they spew in the ever unsuccessful D.A.R.E. classes it's just nieve.
How hard did they binge on these substances hell in that case how much did they drink? On the second note if I were you I wouldn't drive then plenty of folks are just what you described but have never touched illegal drugs.
And they have FAILED spectacularly at this, think of all the lawsuits going on against big pharma. They don't protect the public they protect big pharma.
This is laughable you keep believing this I'll keep laughing at it.
And yet they still drink and smoke, fyi they don't make laws they are supposed to regulate FOOD and DRUGS the U.S. government makes laws.
By this logic why can't responsible adults use other mind altering substances responsibly? Hell tobacco is incredibly dangerous causes cancer alcohol is the same and people abuse them all the time, and the FDA is far from unbiased.
No offense but everything, all of your arguments sound like a dare video class and out dated government propaganda.
Edit: I went over and in some cases broke down ever post you made in this thread so far giving my argument, if your not a troll I believe you and I and many other posters here on Bluelight can have a healthy well rounded debate over this subject, if you don't respond I will consider you a troll of new stature and treat you as such.
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yo_bot
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cuz...
feels good, man
feels good, man
itrip_iroll_iblaze
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Wow. Just Wow. For one, do some research first, dont just be a person who listens to one person and group and believes in what they say. Just because the FDA is a government sponsored group thing, dosnt mean they are true. Kinda off topic but on and the same time, A global warming research group recently admitted to falsifying data, which was sponsored by the government. WHAT! THEY WERE WRONG? shocker
And yes, speeding and doing drugs are the same in a way, both break the law, both can kill people. Both require selfcontrol and both are done, everyday thousands of times.
As...somone said I cannot remember, Cops are not the bad guys, it's just their job. Am I angry when I get busted, of course. I got caught..it sucks but its not like im going to go on a pyscopathic killing spree. When you get pulled over speeding ticket are you angry? Most likly.
Another thing, drugs are fun for some. You obviously have never tried them from your ignorant stand point which has absolutly intellect in it. People do it. If it even does harm our body, some consider it worth it.
Car crashes, hell many people can get into car crashes at any time, and have no drugs or tons of drugs in their system. One thing I am against is driving while un-sober in any way. But you cannot say sober people never get into a crash.
Many of these points agree with what PK555 had to say, but I was just giving a helping hand lol.
Also, as another said, cannot remeber who again but still, This is a drug harm reduction site. I believe it says somewhere on here something along the lines of: We do not support the use of drugs, but we aknowledge the fact that they are there and people do use them . We aim to help reduce the harm from people doing them.
Also, check up on the stats of people who have tried marijuana in Amsterdam age 25 and older compared to American High School Seniors. They are less.
Idiot
And yes, speeding and doing drugs are the same in a way, both break the law, both can kill people. Both require selfcontrol and both are done, everyday thousands of times.
As...somone said I cannot remember, Cops are not the bad guys, it's just their job. Am I angry when I get busted, of course. I got caught..it sucks but its not like im going to go on a pyscopathic killing spree. When you get pulled over speeding ticket are you angry? Most likly.
Another thing, drugs are fun for some. You obviously have never tried them from your ignorant stand point which has absolutly intellect in it. People do it. If it even does harm our body, some consider it worth it.
Car crashes, hell many people can get into car crashes at any time, and have no drugs or tons of drugs in their system. One thing I am against is driving while un-sober in any way. But you cannot say sober people never get into a crash.
Many of these points agree with what PK555 had to say, but I was just giving a helping hand lol.
Also, as another said, cannot remeber who again but still, This is a drug harm reduction site. I believe it says somewhere on here something along the lines of: We do not support the use of drugs, but we aknowledge the fact that they are there and people do use them . We aim to help reduce the harm from people doing them.
Also, check up on the stats of people who have tried marijuana in Amsterdam age 25 and older compared to American High School Seniors. They are less.
Idiot
footscrazy
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Hahaha you dumb arse! Keep puffing away solider, then turn around and cry 'but I twusted you!' when you are dying of lung cancer
NeedlessBeing
Bluelighter
Exactly, life is short, cruel, hard, etc....and then we all die...alone.
Some of these "drugs" make life tolerable at times, I don't give a rat's ass about the legality of them. Uncle, errr Dr. Sam seems to think he can decide what I can or can't put into my body? When I only use at home, by myself, never putting ANYONE in danger but myself(and even that is BIG stretch, as I use JUST enough to catch a small buzz). In that respect, fuck Uncle Sam's rules, they are ridiculous.
When I'm 90(if I make it that far, do I want to live to 90? Have you ever volunteered at a nursing home? These people, even the one's with family, live and die alone in a hellhole, so I don't care if I take a few years off of my life...what the fuck am I going to do for fun at 70, let alone 90? Other than snorting heroin, of course!)...I'm not going to look back and regret anything. I'm going to enjoy everything this life/planet/etc has to offer. I've found unlimited access to happiness, I'm not going to suffer because of some stupid law and people like yourself who think he or she knows what's best for the rest of us. No disrespect, but buzz off...
I'm usually a nice person, I do not steal, I'll hold the door for the old lady, people seem to like being around me, I volunteer my time because it's the right thing to do and help take care of the elderly whose family has tossed them aside...but I do ache, I do feel stress, and nobody gives a rat's ass...such is life...I use opiates because they are a little slice of heaven, and I believe I DESERVE to use them as much as I damn well please because well, I've earned the right, imo...it's the only thing I ask for, and I don't think it's too much to ask for. If Uncle Sam thinks it is? Fuck him...
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clash888
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1. I believe it is the DEA, not the FDA who decides what drugs are made illegal. However, neither of these organizations are unbiased. The FDA is heavily influenced by the pharmaceutical lobby.
2. Banning drugs has been shown over and over again to not reduce drug use.
3. The vast majority of the harm caused by illegal drugs is caused by the fact that they are illegal. If people could obtain pure drugs with a known dosage, the vast majority of overdose deaths would be avoided, save the freak accident and suicides. For example, batches of heroin cut with fentanyl that have killed hundreds of people would not exist if heroin were legally available in a pure form. Ecstasy pills would also never be cut with more harmful drugs such as methamphetamine if MDMA were legal. Also, look at the recent trend of people using new and untested drugs that are legal, as they have not been around long enough to ban. The effects of these drugs is entirely unknown, and many seem to be worse than the illegal drugs they are replacing. To say that prohibition reduces harm is simply ignorant.
4. The government should not have the right to decide what an individual does with their body. Yes, driving while on drugs should not be allowed, as it puts others at risk. High risk activities such as skydiving and other extreme sports are allowed, though they are dangerous it is accepable to do these things. Also, your definition of risk does not seem to be reflected in any kind of real evidence. The chief drug advisor to the UK government (at the time, he was fired for political reasons because he was honest about the science of illegal drugs), a respected scientist, has stated that he believes that horseback riding is more dangerous than taking MDMA (ecstasy).
5. Prohibition is, in my opinion, the worst single human rights abuse going on in the world in the present day. No other single thing effects so many people on a global scale. In many asian countries drug addicts are used as slave labor, and distribution often carries the death penalty. More than 1% of the US population is in prison, the majority of which are nonviolent drug offenders. Also, drug laws are extremely racist, African Americans make up 13% of drug users in the US and make up over 30% of drug arrests. Your trust in the US government is quite naive.
6. To say police are just doing their job is wrong in my opinion, this excuses nothing. Police who arrest drug users are committing a violation of human rights, and ruining peoples lives. " I was just doing my job" is the same excuse used by those who carried out the crimes of the Nazi regime. Just because you are told to do something by an authority does not make what you are doing right or in any way acceptable.
7. Drugs are not illegal because they are harmful, as any amount of research would show you. If that were the case, cannabis and many other drugs would be legal, as presumably alcohol and tobacco, two particularly toxic and dangerous drugs, are the standard of acceptable harm. Drugs are illegal because of money, and also as a means of social control. Cannabis was banned because it is an extremely useful fiber that would have put the cotton and paper industries at a huge disadvantage. The drug war has also been used to perpetuate power structures in this country and repress minorities since the beginning, when the first prohibition laws were passed by claiming that marijuana made black men go crazy and rape white women. It has been used to deny huge numbers of black males their right to vote, look up felon disenfranchisement.
OP- I suggest you read up on these issues before trying to argue with people about them. It just makes you look ignorant. Your faith in the US government is naive and your understanding of science and history appears to be minimal. Please educate yourself, rather than blindly believing the propaganda you are fed.
2. Banning drugs has been shown over and over again to not reduce drug use.
3. The vast majority of the harm caused by illegal drugs is caused by the fact that they are illegal. If people could obtain pure drugs with a known dosage, the vast majority of overdose deaths would be avoided, save the freak accident and suicides. For example, batches of heroin cut with fentanyl that have killed hundreds of people would not exist if heroin were legally available in a pure form. Ecstasy pills would also never be cut with more harmful drugs such as methamphetamine if MDMA were legal. Also, look at the recent trend of people using new and untested drugs that are legal, as they have not been around long enough to ban. The effects of these drugs is entirely unknown, and many seem to be worse than the illegal drugs they are replacing. To say that prohibition reduces harm is simply ignorant.
4. The government should not have the right to decide what an individual does with their body. Yes, driving while on drugs should not be allowed, as it puts others at risk. High risk activities such as skydiving and other extreme sports are allowed, though they are dangerous it is accepable to do these things. Also, your definition of risk does not seem to be reflected in any kind of real evidence. The chief drug advisor to the UK government (at the time, he was fired for political reasons because he was honest about the science of illegal drugs), a respected scientist, has stated that he believes that horseback riding is more dangerous than taking MDMA (ecstasy).
5. Prohibition is, in my opinion, the worst single human rights abuse going on in the world in the present day. No other single thing effects so many people on a global scale. In many asian countries drug addicts are used as slave labor, and distribution often carries the death penalty. More than 1% of the US population is in prison, the majority of which are nonviolent drug offenders. Also, drug laws are extremely racist, African Americans make up 13% of drug users in the US and make up over 30% of drug arrests. Your trust in the US government is quite naive.
6. To say police are just doing their job is wrong in my opinion, this excuses nothing. Police who arrest drug users are committing a violation of human rights, and ruining peoples lives. " I was just doing my job" is the same excuse used by those who carried out the crimes of the Nazi regime. Just because you are told to do something by an authority does not make what you are doing right or in any way acceptable.
7. Drugs are not illegal because they are harmful, as any amount of research would show you. If that were the case, cannabis and many other drugs would be legal, as presumably alcohol and tobacco, two particularly toxic and dangerous drugs, are the standard of acceptable harm. Drugs are illegal because of money, and also as a means of social control. Cannabis was banned because it is an extremely useful fiber that would have put the cotton and paper industries at a huge disadvantage. The drug war has also been used to perpetuate power structures in this country and repress minorities since the beginning, when the first prohibition laws were passed by claiming that marijuana made black men go crazy and rape white women. It has been used to deny huge numbers of black males their right to vote, look up felon disenfranchisement.
OP- I suggest you read up on these issues before trying to argue with people about them. It just makes you look ignorant. Your faith in the US government is naive and your understanding of science and history appears to be minimal. Please educate yourself, rather than blindly believing the propaganda you are fed.
Sweet P
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Duh, those laws are already being enforced! But it's impossible for the authorities to catch every single person who uses or sells drugs. It's a waste of police time and resources. As soon as one dealer is busted, another appears. Governments will never win the war against drugs.
As a "poor drug addict" who's due for sentencing next week for victimless drug related offences, all I can say is fuck you.