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Why do atheists only seem to go after the Judeao-Christian religion?

DL, I'm sorry mate but I think you need to take a bit of a chill pill. You seem t be getting angry and all defensive because my answer doesn't marry up with your world view. The above video is also so full of emotionally charged false arguments. Your presenter has deployed an age-old political ploy by preempting the vocabulary in order to gain the moral/philosophical/political hifgh ground. Great gambit if the person you are engaging with in discussion has not the wit to perceive such mental gymnastics. Also, you should take a step back and look at your last post and ask yourself if you would like to receive such a reply. What is your personal issue with Jesus? Maybe that's a question addressed somewhere else. Point me there so we don't confuse this thread. Steve

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...now-to-the-one-I-know?p=12600010#post12600010

See you there.

I note here that you analyzed how he said things more than what he said. Please do not pull that B.S. on mine or you will be ignored. I discuss issues. Nothing else. And especially not the type of psychobabble chill B.S. you began your post with.

Regards
DL
 
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Okay, if everyone here could remain calm... That would be great.

Are we even on topic? I bet the OP is pissed by now!

& I finally know who Richard is! That's freakin' awesome :D
 
I suppose that any person who can also start a thread positing that man is God will always believe he knows best, shalln't be responding any further on this one. Steve
 
Hi Teabag

Richard is right here. I usually use an identifying part of their name, but sometimes not the whole name.

Richard I understand what you're saying, even if you used the words Systematic and Oppression too many times. Thank you for clarifying the matter. And I still wish you wouldn't refer to me as a racist, as the people I'm talking about are of a part of the country as white as snow. There are lots of these sorts out there, not just Hispanic and black.

You are correct about the ignorant beings.

I was not calling you a racist. I said you were being unintentionally racist.
 
To elaborate, the Church has twisted the values of Christ, and because of that, we still see women who are greatly oppressed (lower wages than men, considered to be sexually immoral if they have sex before marriage, considered to be "slutty" if they dress in "immodest" clothing, being shot down and hated for having an abortion etc...) if you're black, he common peoples of the U.S use to justify slavery because of African religious beliefs, and while that isn't that around as much anymore, black men and women are still oppressed immensely because of the past oppression they dealt with due to our corrupt view, and now, the State uses the past to carry on with the oppression of black men and women because they're an easy target, and many Americans have seen them as inferior, generation after generation just because they're treated that way and always have been. If you're anything but straight, you're fighting for your marriage rights, if your transgender, you risk being beaten to death by the police on a daily basis, and all of that has to do with people reading Romans Chapter 1, and forgetting to read Romans Chapter 2. And if you're mentally ill, a lot of the diagnosis for mental disorders are still based off Catholic values. For instance, "bodily piercings" is classified under self mutilation in DSM 4. A lot of the treatment methods in Mental Hospitals are still subject to the past models developed by the Roman Catholic Church. Many mentally ill people are considered to be the way that they are because they are "sinners", and trust me, that's still around. The way that our culture views the mentally ill still has strong Roman Catholic ties. And if you're poor, the right wing use their personal property rights to oppose welfare. Not to mention, the poor have always been seen as inferior, due to the Catholic Church, and that has carried on even today, and is once again used by politicians to keep the oppressed, oppressed, even if it isn't directly linked to The Church anymore. The Church is the cause of the view.

So blame the church, not the religion. I mean Jesus was hanging out with prostitutes, lepers, the poor, the sick. I'm pretty sure he's turning in his grave about what has happened with Christianity. Anyways I totally forgot about this thread so I'm gonna try to get through the rest of this and offer some more responses, but just wanted to say that before I forgot.
 
Believing there is no God (atheism) takes faith. By definition it really does. For lack of a better word, it is even the same kind of "blind faith."

I totally agree and this is pretty much what I've been trying to say. I think you put it better tho. I guess I don't really have much else to add to anything other than some people still seem to be confused between atheism and agnosticism. Saying that you don't believe there is a god but don't know is actually agnostic atheism... Close, but not the same as atheism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism
 
Tromps said:
Believing there is no God (atheism) takes faith. By definition it really does. For lack of a better word, it is even the same kind of "blind faith."

I think you're making a couple of conceptual errors here. Slightly pedantically, atheism is lack of belief in god; it fails to specify adherence to a particular cosmology (there are atheists with mystical leanings, 'reductionist' material 'realists', those concerned with the amazing miracle of the emergence of consciousness, etc.), noting instead just rejection of one smaller set of worldviews. Also, atheism does not specify certainty in the content of one's beliefs; eg, one can be nearly entirely uncertain of all cosmological claims but present some sort of atheistic picture as their best guess.

I totally agree and this is pretty much what I've been trying to say. I think you put it better tho. I guess I don't really have much else to add to anything other than some people still seem to be confused between atheism and agnosticism. Saying that you don't believe there is a god but don't know is actually agnostic atheism... Close, but not the same as atheism.

To some extent, I think that the meaning of these terms is open to valid debate. I prefer to conceptualize theism vs. atheism and agnosticism vs. certainty along distinct (orthogonal) dimensions--degree of agnosticism denotes only certainty of belief, not content, while theism vs. atheism denotes a key dimension that partially defines content of belief. One can be a relatively agnostic atheist...or an agnostic christian...or be agnostic about which political candidate they prefer, etc.

ebola
 
Easy target maybe? I've never heard of atheists going after Buddhism for instance. A lot if not most atheists to me at least actually just seem anti-christian. Thoughts?

Most atheists do not "go after" buddhism simply because it's not based on gods. Gods are just a minor part of buddhism, so it is more rational (to most atheists) than christianity.

willow21 said:
given the fact that christianity, at least, has been the predominant source of morality, legality and repression in the (global) western world, it is not surprising that people are now opposing it.
Well said.
 
Jesus stated that he was here for the Jews, not that he wanted to save "Christians".

Buddhism is based on personal flaw too, just as Christianity. Your personal flaws are what creates your discordant mind-state. It is up to you to save yourself through perfecting oneself through meditation/vows/etc. I agree that it probably is more rational than Christianity to atheism as a whole.

People oppose "Christianity", but they don't oppose the ideals of Christianity. You have to dig deeper below the surface. We find ourselves in a very Christian world.
 
So blame the church, not the religion. I mean Jesus was hanging out with prostitutes, lepers, the poor, the sick. I'm pretty sure he's turning in his grave about what has happened with Christianity. Anyways I totally forgot about this thread so I'm gonna try to get through the rest of this and offer some more responses, but just wanted to say that before I forgot.

I do blame the Church, not the Bible.
 
^Unfortunately, I am not convinced that you can really separate the two. Surely you would have to point the finger, to some extent, at the source for the 'morality' that Christianity espouses. And even if not, its hard to take the bible as morally correct given the evident outcomings of it being viewed as such by the church.

Hi there Richard :)
 
^Unfortunately, I am not convinced that you can really separate the two. Surely you would have to point the finger, to some extent, at the source for the 'morality' that Christianity espouses. And even if not, its hard to take the bible as morally correct given the evident outcomings of it being viewed as such by the church.

Hi there Richard :)

Blaming the Bible for the Church's corruption, if the Church directly contradicts the teachings of Christ, is like blaming the Quran for Jihad extremism.
 
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^Unfortunately, I am not convinced that you can really separate the two. Surely you would have to point the finger, to some extent, at the source for the 'morality' that Christianity espouses. And even if not, its hard to take the bible as morally correct given the evident outcomings of it being viewed as such by the church.

Hi there Richard :)

And hello to you too. :)
 
Blaming the Bible for the Church's corruption, if the Church directly contradicts the teachings of Christ, is like blaming the Quran for Jihad extremism.

Have you read the Quran?

Have you read the bible??

They both contain immoral teachings.
 
Have you read the Quran?

Have you read the bible??

They both contain immoral teachings.

I have read quite a bit of the Bible, and the Church is far from coherent with the teachings of Christ. I have also read some of the Quran, and have spoken with, and know several Shiite Muslims and the radical Muslim groups that associate with Islam, are a long ways off from the teachings of Muhammad. Have you read the Bible?
 
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