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Why do atheists only seem to go after the Judeao-Christian religion?

I have indeed, Richard.

In regard to the bible I was meaning more the Old Testament.

Jesus refers to old testament scriptures a few times.. in a very confusing way.. But in Matthew 24.27 (colon button isnt working) he "confirms" the story of Noah and the great flood as being real. That story is the story of an angry God comitting the greatest act of genocide in history.. murdering men, women, children, babies, animals..

Some people may take Pauls words as Jesus' teaching.. In which case *pro slavery* *pro sexism* yaaayyy.. (but i admit nobody ever wrote of Jesus saying similar things.. cept maybe a bit about slavery)

Tromps, I have an honest question. What, in your opinion, is the law that Jesus speaks of in Matt. 5:17?

As for the Quran

Quran 9.5
"Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

Sounds rather like most of Exodus, Chronicles, Deutronomy etc etc.. minus the raping and pillaging.

Quran 4:34:
"Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

Sounds rather like a lot of the teachings of Paul, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deutronomy, etc etc..

Teabag Johnny said:
Richard, I don't think Rick likes the Bible :)
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I do actually like the bible.. But when people believe in what it contains as fact.. It causes more harm than good on the grand scheme of things.

I respect a lot of Jesus' (Marks) teachings so ner :p

The parts about loving him more than your family, and only through him will you go to heaven, etc etc, though.. Bull. Egotistical bull.
 
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Ho-Chi-Minh said:
Jesus stated that he was here for the Jews, not that he wanted to save "Christians".

Buddhism is based on personal flaw too, just as Christianity. Your personal flaws are what creates your discordant mind-state. It is up to you to save yourself through perfecting oneself through meditation/vows/etc. I agree that it probably is more rational than Christianity to atheism as a whole.

People oppose "Christianity", but they don't oppose the ideals of Christianity. You have to dig deeper below the surface. We find ourselves in a very Christian world.
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I am not an atheist but oppose the theology. Any theology that begins with the embracing of human sacrifice is quite immoral and that is what Christianity is based on.

Do you agree?

Regards
DL
 
RichardMooner said:
Blaming the Bible for the Church's corruption, if the Church directly contradicts the teachings of Christ, is like blaming the Quran for Jihad extremism.
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Literal reading is what has caused most of the problems.

All who read myths literally are fools and Christianity and Islam have become religions of fools as they read their myths literally.

They, the liars who now call themselves Christians and Muslims, forget the Dark Ages and Inquisitions that literal reading created for us.

Regards
DL
 
RichardMooner said:
I have read quite a bit of the Bible, and the Church is far from coherent with the teachings of Christ. I have also read some of the Quran, and have spoken with, and know several Shiite Muslims and the radical Muslim groups that associate with Islam, are a long ways off from the teachings of Muhammad. Have you read the Bible?
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Can we have your answer to ---- They both contain immoral teachings.

You seem to not want to answer that. You can judge morals, right?

Do the bible and Qu'ran preach moral tenets?

I would say no as neither promotes equality which is our base of law.

Regards
DL
 
rickolasnice said:
I have indeed, Richard.

In regard to the bible I was meaning more the Old Testament.

Jesus refers to old testament scriptures a few times.. in a very confusing way.. But in Matthew 24.27 (colon button isnt working) he "confirms" the story of Noah and the great flood as being real. That story is the story of an angry God comitting the greatest act of genocide in history.. murdering men, women, children, babies, animals..

Some people may take Pauls words as Jesus' teaching.. In which case *pro slavery* *pro sexism* yaaayyy.. (but i admit nobody ever wrote of Jesus saying similar things.. cept maybe a bit about slavery)

Tromps, I have an honest question. What, in your opinion, is the law that Jesus speaks of in Matt. 5:17?

As for the Quran

Quran 9.5
"Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."

Sounds rather like most of Exodus, Chronicles, Deutronomy etc etc.. minus the raping and pillaging.

Quran 4:34:
"Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

Sounds rather like a lot of the teachings of Paul, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deutronomy, etc etc..



I do actually like the bible.. But when people believe in what it contains as fact.. It causes more harm than good on the grand scheme of things.

I respect a lot of Jesus' (Marks) teachings so ner :p

The parts about loving him more than your family, and only through him will you go to heaven, etc etc, though.. Bull. Egotistical bull.
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If you read the book of Enoch, it actually explains what happened during the flood, and it essentially says that God flooded the earth to rid the world of the Nephilim and their teachings, which were the offspring of the watchers and humans women that spread mass genocide, war, murder, and corruption in the earth. It wasn't the angry, people don't love me anymore play that it seems like in Genesis. Also, after nine of the lost books of the Dead See scrolls were uncovered, being some of the earliest Christian texts, they point to the idea that Paul was a fraud. Which I've always kind of assumed anyway, but unfortunately, I like Romans Chapter 2, and it sucks that it has been discredited. There's a book on it on Amazon called "The Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered". You might enjoy it. I have not read the whole thing, but I plan on going deeper into it here soon.
 
alasdairm said:
so, to sum up the thread, they don't.

alasdair
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Some do but generally the conversation is about morals with Christians trying to justify their immoral tenets.

It usually ends with theists admitting the immorality of their God but then hiding behind woo by saying that God can do what he likes, moral or not, because he created us and owns us. God also has good reasons for creating the abominations he does. Oh and of course, he loves all those he has murdered.

Regards
DL
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
Some do but generally the conversation is about morals with Christians trying to justify their immoral tenets.

It usually ends with theists admitting the immorality of their God but then hiding behind woo by saying that God can do what he likes, moral or not, because he created us and owns us. God also has good reasons for creating the abominations he does. Oh and of course, he loves all those he has murdered.

Regards
DL
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I think the argument is that God defines morality, therefore, you are in very little position to say what is moral and what is not.
 
What God?

No. No God defines morality. People define morality.. just as people defined God and it's morality.
 
RichardMooner said:
I think the argument is that God defines morality, therefore, you are in very little position to say what is moral and what is not.
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I am here. God is not. But if you like his morals then justify all the killing he does when he could cure.

Let me see what your morals look like.

God tortured King David's baby for 6 days before finally killing the poor child. He did this because he was angry with David.

Was that moral of God and if you follow that God, are you ready to do as he did?

Regards
DL
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
I am here. God is not. But if you like his morals then justify all the killing he does when he could cure.

Let me see what your morals look like.

God tortured King David's baby for 6 days before finally killing the poor child. He did this because he was angry with David.

Was that moral of God and if you follow that God, are you ready to do as he did?

Regards
DL
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Stop bringing up others peoples morals. I am not a Christian. I am just saying that the argument you present is inside of a paradigm that cannot present truthful opposition that can disprove the argument inside of an Abrahamic paradigm. Saying "This is moral because it's innate and that is not moral because I don't feel it"; doesn't mean shit.
 
RichardMooner said:
Stop bringing up others peoples morals. I am not a Christian. I am just saying that the argument you present is inside of a paradigm that cannot present truthful opposition that can disprove the argument inside of an Abrahamic paradigm. Saying "This is moral because it's innate and that is not moral because I don't feel it"; doesn't mean shit.
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It is said that intelligent people can discuss things they do not believe in. I guess you are not at that pay scale.

Christian or not, if you are not capable of a moral judgement then go away.

Regards
DL
 
Gnostic Bishop said:
It is said that intelligent people can discuss things they do not believe in. I guess you are not at that pay scale.

Christian or not, if you are not capable of a moral judgement then go away.

Regards
DL
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You obviously have no idea what I meant. "It is said that intelligent people can discuss things they do not believe in.", I never once implied that we couldn't "discuss" what we do not believe in. I said that your argument that the Christian God figure is immoral, is a lost argument; specifically because the basis for your argument does not pertain to the Christian belief system. P equals W because lemon, is not a truthful opposition.
 
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The answer to the OP is that modern material reductionism's predecessors came into existence as a counter to the Church's ignorant hold over the people of Europe. Since atheists, scientists, and material reductionists are all cut from the same cloth, it means that they have a particular bone to pick with their Judeochristian oppressors. It's also the reason why science is divorced from spirit when it doesn't need to be.
 
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