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RCs Which is the worst GABAergic sedative you have ever taken? (Benzos, Z-Drugs, ludes, Phenibut, GBL etc.)
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Alcohol. Too dirty.
Best is butalbital. Funnily also really dirty.
Best is butalbital. Funnily also really dirty.
In what way does it feel dirty? Just curious. Sort of ironic since they prescribe it for headaches.
The only barbiturate I've tried is phenobarbital and I loved it. Kinda glad they are relatively difficult to obtain these days, because that would have been very dangerous for the younger, more reckless version of me.
Crohns def' sounds like a nasty disease to have, I feel for you. I have some GI issues since losing my gallbladder and can't enjoy a lot off foods anymore. I pretty much have to stick to the same things..or I pay for it.
Thanks for some options. I tried different strains of Kratom and was really hoping it would work. I got terrible headaches (migraine-like) from it. . My body is very sensitive to stuff, not only a lot of pharma drugs etc but I have allergies to MJ (smoking, edibles are even being around it - as I'll break out in hives also. I have allergies to natural outdoor grass, hay, straw, commercial soaps (all my me terriby itchy), also alot of certain foods, certain perfumes, etc etc... And almost all from birth. I also suffered from migraines from age 35 to 62. In 2020 I got the covid, had those terrible cytokine? headaches but after getting over that I never had another migraine again. Odd. My Mom also used to get migraines and they went away when she hit her 60s so maybe mine just went away on their own. I'll never know but just damm glad their gone.
I never heard of 7-OH, I'll look that one up, thanks.
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I hate to see you give up an oxycodone script if they are willing to give it to you. If they are expressly worried about you taking too much together with benzos, perhaps you could suggest a smaller script of oxy, like 15 a month, thereby showing that you aren't drug-seeking or using heavily. If nothing else, it might be good for you to keep them around for emergency break through pain, while relying on the benzos. Getting that oxy script back might be difficult once you give it up.
I have to say, though, that doctor's aren't always very reasonable in these matters. My doctor thought that refilling my prescription for just 15 0.5 mg Ativan once a year was too risky How the hell was I going to get addicted to Ativan with a script like that?
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It just makes me fully retarded. Feels good in every way (other than psychedelic). Cannot think, not even benzos muscle relaxers or opioid make me like that so idk. Given I was pollyusing and ran out. It doesn't nessicarily feel dirty, I just know it is. One of the only things to put me to sleep. So sad they don't prescribe.
red = anxiolytic
yellow = sedative
blue = muscle relaxant
green = anticonvulsant
the two most important things are anticonvulsant and muscle relaxant, because those are the two effects that help against chronic pain and muscle spams (Tetrazepam isnt an option sadly, because this benzo is very toxic)
According to the chart, btw thanks for that, it's awesome..it appears Valium may be a good choice for me. When I was thinking of going off the oxy and switching to just a benzo I was thinking valium (and other option was my old k-pins) Not both together, doc would never do that. But just one. But for some reason I leaned towards the valium and I discussed it with her. She pretty much left it up to me after discussing things and it was pretty much my choice to stay with the oxy and drop the k-pins. But maybe I will present it to her again and try Valium for a month and go off the oxy. From your chart, Valium sure seems to hit the 3 sweet spots for me. I've had it in the past and to me it seemed similar to Clonaz' but clonaz' just seemed to stay on-board for longer periods of time, thus less x- dosing and low dosings. But this does conflict with the chart posting between clonaz' vs Valium.
May I ask why tetrazepam isn't on the chart and why its' so very toxic?
Also, excuse my ignorance, what is "simps?" You mention that a few posts back. Is that somehow related to men hitting on you? I'm 66 remember and language has surely changed, lol ! In saying that, I do have one question to ask you in private, if you could open your DM box, I'll send it to you, then you can close it again after responding. If not, that's OK, I understand.
Yes, simps basically mean that the opposite gender tries to hit on you, even though you don't know them, just because of your gender.
I've experienced that on Instagram, Discord, and Twitter, and that's why I put that in my bio—to sort out those kinds of people.
I've opened my DMs for you, so you can text me.
P.S.: Tetrazepam isn't safe due to unpredictable, severe skin reactions.
I def' hear ya, and that was why I decided to keep the oxy script over the benzos...as I could only choose one. People all tell me how lucky I am to have that oxy script..which BTW from what I understand is a low dose but it's a popular one for addicts and in the streets. I get 90 a month and they are 5mg. People tell me they have a pretty good street price but I have no desire to go that route. Like you mentioned, it's also good to have extras around - for SHTF scenarios or for friends who may need some when docs won't give them out. Which I've already done that. I had a neighbor with an abcess tooth and she was in terrible pain, it was a weekend and she couldn't see a dentist until a Monday. So I gladly gave her some of my oxys to hold her over.
Asking for a lower dose of benzo? I tried (just last visit) asking my doc for just a lower dose of k-pins and she declined..and again brought up her options that I'm not interested in (SSRI's etc). She was big on Buspirone? sp? and after reading about it, it's one I don't want to try.
You do raise a good point about giving up the oxy script. I do think if I did that and Valium didn't work she'd most likely be OK putting me back on the oxy. An interesting thing is this : So, she had me on the two, oxy and k-pins for 7 years +. Then for some reason, she stopped the benzo...just out of the blue. It makes me wonder if she got in trouble or got a warning from the state or something. Def' odd.
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Fioricet is a great drug. However I went too crazy with it. Back in the day I had a doctor that ‘liked’ me, give me scripts for 240 count bottles with 7 refills on it whenever I wanted. (They would let me refill them early too since it wasn’t technically a narcotic, so I was taking heavy amounts.) That doctor started liking me too much and I had to move on but when I suddenly had no more that withdrawal was Crazy. I mean I thought I was going to have a heart attack and kept getting twitches. That was probably one of the craziest withdrawals I’ve ever been through … I swear when I think back to it I almost twitch again.
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I was given doses of phenobarbital when I tried to detox from an iv heroin habit. I left after 2 days and knew I had dope waiting for me at my apartment. In the decade plus, of shooting heroin, I have been most fortunate in that I never OD'd. Pumped full of Pheno and a shot of dope, I was nearly brought to my knees. An though it pains me to say this now, given I lost the love of my life to an overdose, it was hands down the fucking best feeling I ever had. Yes, I was scared a bit shitless, but this is before everyone knew about Narcan and years before Fent would ruin everything, circa 2011.
I've got ~17 surgeries at this point and 16 months of hospitalization under my belt, a period of which involved being on hospice care, where doctors would just ask me "so what do you want" and they'd send me a 3 month scrip monthly. I'm always confused by these tales of "friendly" doctors, I'm assuming the implication is that they overprescribe until you're addicted and then try to leverage that as a power dynamic?
If this was the case, I really hope you reported that piece of shit to the board, or at least emptied a magazine or two into their vehicle as an indicator of the dangers of such behaviors.
Lorazepam and hydromorphone was the combination I was on when a peer took advantage of me, my first time ever having sex. That was a pretty traumatic start to things, to just realize "oh if you're too high around others they just don't care about consent". It imbued in me at far too young of an age that sometimes you have to scare such monsters out of their behavioral patterns with greater power dynamics if you want them to stop.
Could you tell me the effects and how it compares to other GABAergic drugs? I'm also curious how you obtained them. I can't believe how many people took barbiturates. In my country, they are all banned except for three, and as I mentioned in an earlier post, I don't know anyone in real life who has gotten their hands on a barbiturate. The only thing I've heard is that the price per pill can go up to €40, but I don't know if that's believable, considering the person who claimed that has nothing to do with drugs at all.
The only thing thats widely available for me are benzodiazepines, today im going to try "ethyl dirazepate"
Be sure to report back about the ethyl dirazepate! It's got quite a peculiar structure and seems relatively unexplored.
As far as peoples' access to barbs, I can only speak from my American lens but I first encountered them as a teenager, because I'd help people with what we call "estate sales", where somebody dies and there's no next-of-kin so a company essentially turns their entire home into a yard sale for the town to ransack. Phenobarbital was strange enough sounding for me to snatch it from some medicine cabinets thinking to myself "What are the original users going to do, use it in the afterlife?". I didn't use it but my friends did, it was universally disliked. Sometimes chemists I know that I met later in life during my college years would make barbs out of sheer curiosity, the precursors weren't the toughest for them to conjure. It was fascinating to witness this process, as it was when I was a baby chemist who couldn't do jack shit, though I've still got quite a ways to go. Once again, the end product was universally disliked by everyone who tried it, and I tended to be the type to watch others try a new drug before I would in that phase of my life, so once again I did not try them. I've never heard of anywhere with a large supply of barbs flowing around a market, the same way that benzos, opioids, and varied muscle relaxants move around the US, or quinazolinones around South Africa.
Yes, I'm surely going to share my experiences. Are you someone who prefers an "amateur report" or a report with timestamps, detailing when exactly something changed, when the cognitive euphoria increased/decreased, at which timestamp the muscle relaxant effect came in, etc.?
So I know if I should take notes, do you prefer a very detailed and "professional" report?
Thanks for the explanation, by the way. That's truly an advantage. You can almost get everything in the U.S. except for Mephenaqualone, for example, or some other very underground chemicals. I'm interested now, could you tell me some of the street prices in your area? I want to know how they compare to mine.
Cocaine: 80 - 100€ (for 100€ you get mostly 85 - 90% purity)
Diazepam (10mg): 1.00 - 3.50€ (strongly depends on the plug)
Clonazepam (2mg): 2.00 - 3.00€ (normally you pay 2€ per unite, but because they are currently rare in my city you have to pay 2.50€ and some even want 3.00€)
Ritalin (20mg): 1.00 - 3.00€ (normally they cost 2,00€ - 2,50€ for a 20mg pill)
Heroine (1g): 50,00€ (we are talking about the street heroine, meaning probably 5 - 8% purity, the price for this is always the same)
Methadone (10mg): 1,00 - 3,00€ (in my place its always 1ml/10mg = 3,00€ but ive heard in the capital of my country you get it for just 1,00€)
Lyrica/Pregabalin (300mg): 2,00 - 3,00€ (normally they cost 2,00 - 2,50€ for a 300mg pill, but there are also those who of course want more)
Molly/XTC (unite): 10,00 - 15,00€ (normally you pay 10€ for a Molly, it dosent play a role what kind of pill this is, except for the blue punishers who had always 300mg, they cost 15.00€)
Speed/Amphetamine: 10,00€ (we are talking about street amphe, its constantly priced by 10€ per gram)
Cannabis/THC (1g): 10,00€ (same here, 10€ per grammy)
Crystal/Methamphetamine (1g): 30,00 - 80,00€ (only heard this from docu's, like street amphetamine its irrelevant for me and I will never touch it)
Xanax (2mg): 10,00 - 15,00€ (only the original XanaX bars where priced by this tag, in my country it isnt even named Xanax, its named Tafil and only 1,0mg options exist)
Fentanyl (0,1mg - 0,8mg): 1,25€ (sorry, I don't remember the exact dose, but I think it was round about 0,2mg or 0,4mg)
Like I've said, those are the local prices...they came from personal experiences, friends, documentaries, news and other forums etc.
would be very nice of you, if you could send me how they are being priced in your city/country...just find this very interesting, to see the local prices
Whatever you feel suits the experience, honestly. I've taken triple digit doses of mixed 2C-B/Allylescaline before and was way too unconscious to take notes, that had to be done three days later when I could see straight again. But when I first tried clobromazolam yesterday, I found myself taking notes on the somewhat rollercoaster-like nature of the effects swinging in and out.
As far as pricing goes, I'll be speaking in USD as it's ~0.96 EUR at the moment.
- Cocaine, regardless of where you buy it will move for anywhere from 25-40/g usually, but the further you get from the source, the more stepped on it gets. The pricing doesn't change for some reason.
- Diazepam (10mg) can't even sell, the gold standard for benzos is alprazolam (Xanax) and xanheads (or other benzo addicts) usually can't even feel 10-30mg of diazepam, so they consider it garbage. As a teenager, my friends that were drug dealers would be unable to sell diazepam consistently, so I got to feast upon the leftover treasures of their capitalitic failures, and damn, do I personally adore it, but have never once seen it do well as far as selling. I've seen bottle of 30 x 10mg go for less than $100 because it's usually considered garbage.
- Clonazepam (2mg) I've seen range $3-$10, though people tend to try to read you and upsell/downsell based on that. The rich private school kids in the town I grew up in would get charged $25/kpin and think they were getting a steal, for example.
- Ritalin (20mg) this is also considered garbage compared to the methamphetamine commonly available on the street, and as a result I've been able to purchase these as low as a dollar or two a piece. Typically the American economy revolves around hardcore addicts.
- Heroin hasn't been around meaningfully in ~6 years, but back when it was it was ~$35/g, and scaled really intensely once you're selling eighth ounces, quarter/half ounces, etc.
- Methadone, pregabalin, and fentanyl are all drugs that entered the street after I stopped being around drug trafficking, so I can't really speak on those. We'd come across methadone sometimes and people despised it, fent came after the time that we were active, and pregabalin was considered just some other random painkiller that people probably wouldn't pay a cent for.
- Pertaining to MDMA, the way that you write "A molly" makes me think that you're only getting pressed pills and no crystal? I've almost exclusively seen it move as crystal outside of jam band parking lots and music festival scenes. Even in night clubs, people exclusively move crystal MDMA, usually for $45-75/g. Sometimes you can find "sass" too, meaning MDA, for similar pricing at the same places.
- Amphetamine is not a street drug here, we use meth. I can get a gram of meth (usually referred to as ice) for ~$25 on the street, I've seen it go as low as $10/g when purchased in larger amounts though. I knew a single chemist who used to cook up amphetamine (usually referred to as speed) and he was bitching about how he couldn't convince anyone to buy it because it couldn't hold a candle to ice.
- Xanax, pressed or not, moved anywhere from $3-$10/pill depending on how popular the pressing was, how strong it was, and how similar it seemed to a real pharma press. Alprazolam dosed candies were also far more affordable and equivalently dosed though, and coming across various benzos in liquid form here isn't unheard of. When I was in high school, etizolam was very popular and created a ton of addiction problems among my fellow high schoolers. It was actually the first compound I ever impregnated blotter paper with!
- Cannabis is unbelievably cheap where I live, Maine is the state that's sometimes referred to as the "East coast's green triangle". Most people will just smoke you up for free with no charge or hesitation if you're socializing. Randos on the street will too. I will too, fuck it, I'd rather the average citizen be a little more stoned than say, drunk or so iced out (meth) that their goddamn eyes are shaking in their head. I've bought ounces of mid flower to me (probably kind of high shelf to a European outside of NL) for $35, but on the street pre-legalization we could move a quarter ounce for the same price. I can get a full ounce of pure white THCa crystals, or rosin, or hash, or whatever other concentrates I want for $150-$300. I own a dab press and rotary evaporator though, and can legally grow 18 plants where I live right now. Everybody else can too, so most people just have a seemingly infinite supply of cannabis, I suspect it's one of the only reason that the insane amount of trauma and guns in my vicinity isn't a larger issue tbh.
That's interesting, thanks (btw, don't wonder, Emma is the European version name of Molly).
I have the feeling that medications are way cheaper over here in Germany than in the U.S., but everything powder-related that comes from an unknown source is insanely cheap. Holy shit, I can't believe that cocaine is just €25-40 per gram. You only get such cheap prices over here when you buy an entire kilo (1000g).
Yes, actually, Emmas are way more popular here than Emma Crystals. There are many reasons for this, but one reason is the show "How to Sell Drugs Online (Fast)" that came out on Netflix (great show, btw. It tells the story of 2-3 teenagers, currently 17 years old, creating an online drug shop for Emma, which wasn't planned by them, and it truly shows how deep you can be pushed as a vendor into this brutal market).
The colors and unique designs of the pills are also a reason why people here prefer Emma over the crystals. Another big reason is that those crystals are instantly connected to crystal meth, which has the worst reputation in Germany. Really, when you mention one time that you took crystal meth, or worse, that you're an addict, you will probably lose your entire existence. I think you understand now why MDMA Crystals aren't a thing over here.
It's interesting how they call Diazepam, Amphetamine, etc., crap, only because of some music videos, even though Alprazolam isn't even the best benzo by polls and in forums. I mean that in an objective way. In every poll, Xanax was a pretty mid-tier benzo. Most liked benzos like Temazepam, Clonazepam, Midazolam, Flurazepam, Flunitrazepam, etc. Especially hypnotic benzodiazepines were the most popular for many people, and I can relate to them because they cause the strongest euphoria (even seen by PsychonautWiki).
I'm also confused why Pregabalin isn't a thing over in the U.S. It's basically a better version in every sense than Gabapentin, and in my opinion, Pregabalin has similar effects to weed, but just superior (I hate THC). Of course, it's not my favorite drug, but I think Lyrica is very strong.
I know that many plugs in the U.S. sold dirty Xanax bars, also now called "Fanax," which is Fentanyl mixed with Xanax. I'm very sure that probably 80% took the wrong Xanax bars but never realized it because there are many benzodiazepines quite similar to Alprazolam.
I'm going to take "ethyl loflazepate" at 17:30 with my fiancé, meaning in one hour (going by my time zone). You seem to be very interested in benzos. I've also tried many more than those I've listed in my posts: ethyl loflazepate, halazepam, etc.
When you have questions about certain benzodiazepines, I can offer you a private DM group where we can message in more detail.
Thank you for the Netflix recommendation! And cocaine gets cheaper the closer you get to the source, given that North America's less of a haul from South America where Erythroxylum coca is cultivated, I'm not shocked it's cheaper here. It's funny how much stigma Germans put on drugs, here in the states we look at many drugs (methadone, GHB, MDA, etc.) as being very German as far as cultural associations. Not meth though. Why does meth have such a terrible reputation there? Compared to the mystery cathinones coming out of the Baltics, I'd imagine meth would be preferable, it lasts longer, you need much less, etc.
Is it just historical connotations to things like Pervitin? My apologies if that's an uncomfortable question, as a Romani man though I feel like nobody still alive today really has anything to feel bad about as far as that situation goes, outside of contemporary bigots trying to repeat it.
The reason that diazepam and amphetamine are viewed as inferior to their more potent and often equivalently priced relatives is just that, getting "the most bang for your buck" when it comes to which drugs are selected. Most Americans think there are three benzos: Diazepam, alprazolam, and clonazepam. They view clonazepam as the long and gentle one, xanax as the hard and fast one, and diazepam as a waste of time. That's because it's insanely rare to get a scrip for others, and our culture here surrounding benzos originates in redirected pharmaceuticals. The amount of people I've known with 5-10 separate, often overlapping medications prescribed to them is insane. I'm talking concurrent Ritalin and Adderall scrips, alongside a second benzo to help them sleep because their morning clonazepam is just there for anxiety, on top of a variety of antipsychotics and other pills. There's a lot to be said about the variance between people who are often overprescribed (older, richer, whiter) versus people who are underprescribed relative to the issues they face (younger, poorer, less white).
I'm unfamiliar with the music videos you're talking about, but temazepam, midazolam, flurazepam, and flunitrazepam as you mentioned are things I've never seen even once here despite ~12 years of being involved with various narcotics.
Pregabalin isn't a thing here because gabapentin is viewed as trash, and trying to sell somebody trash but better isn't really a great pitch. I personally love Gabapentin, to the point that when I'm eating my way through a bag of them I'll facetiously refer to them as "my side bitch Gabby" when around my boyfriend. I've yet to encounter pregabalin, it's become profoundly difficult to import recently and I suspect some pills given to me as "nerve pain pills" of ambiguous origin when I was young may have been pregabalin? I'm not sure, regardless THC is what's accessible to Americans, so it's what we use.
Many foreigners are less tolerant of THC than Americans, but I think when you grow up using it often (I started with oral THC at 13 years old, smoking it by time my asthma got better at 18), you don't get caught in the same weird thought loops and stigmatized feelings that others do. It's kind of a stereotype that people who aren't from the Western hemisphere will always bug out if you smoke them up, because they can't break the thought loops like we can. It reminds me a lot of smoking salvia, it's only for a certain type of person, but that person can be created by a certain culture that cultivates them. I have two friends here who grew up here with no childhood exposure to THC, and they freak the fuck out upon even a tiny dose, but can use LSD without concern which I find fascinating, as LSD has a much more intense potential for generating vivid hallucinations in my experience.
Another reason backing up Pregabalin's lack of popularity here in the states is likely the "chemophobia" of it. I've pressed THC into pills before and had people straight up refuse "that chemical garbage", despite it being identical to what they're smoking on right in front of me. Americans, likely due to our historically tense relationship to industrialized pharmaceuticauls ("big pharma"), are profoundly chemophobic and would eat a poisonous mushroom before taking a pill they aren't profoundly familiar with. Even then, I know many of Americans who've taken thousands of doses of known hepatotoxins just because they're over-the-counter, yet they won't touch mescaline or psilocin if it's extracted, only if it's in a raw plant form. An interesting exception is that these people often view LSD as a natural product for some reason.
The majority of opioids-in-the-benzo-supply stories are false, but I've personally come across some before when I was using benzos much more often in my youth. Popped a full bar from a new plug ~15-16 years old and nodded off in a park, came back and immediately texted the new plug about needing to meet with him ASAP. I handed him a bar and forgot to advise him to only pop a box of it (1/4 of that pressing, they were fake Farmaprams) and I weighed 45-50kg more than this guy, certainly with a higher opioid tolerance. We nearly had to hit him with the Narcan because we did not think he was coming back from that nod, but once he did he realized what he'd done, and tragically a life was lost due to his dumb ass not testing his bars until somebody twice his size comes back absolutely livid and forces him to confront what he's done. I've not heard of fentanyl being in pressies, this might've been fent, I've not a clue, once he came back he threw his remaining supply of those pressed Farmaprams in a firepit and started contacting clients, keeping a list of those that he couldn't get ahold of so we could keep our eyes out for the obituary. As fucked up as it is to say, given the amount of product that guy moved, it's fortunate that only a single death occurred as opposed to many, many more.
I'm very interested in benzos, they represent a form of perfection when compared to other depressants imo. They can be so many different things, and they're virtually impossible to overdose on. I often tout them as "the lysergamides of downers" since not only is their safety profile stunning compared to their predecessors, but they are also often potent enough to fit in blotter paper, which makes the ease of transit and stealth very high compared to other compounds you need more of. I'd love to be part of that private DM group if it's available! Feel free to DM me with any further info so we can keep it out of the public eye on this thread.
It's ~20 minutes past 17:30 where you are, I hope the ethyl loflazepate goes well!! And a few days ago I think you said your boyfriend's becoming either your fiancee or your husband imminently, congratulations on that!! I'm still probably a couple years away from that point (economically restabilizing after another health issue) but I can't wait to put a ring on his finger.