RCs Which is the worst GABAergic sedative you have ever taken? (Benzos, Z-Drugs, ludes, Phenibut, GBL etc.)

[Mana0909]

Thank you for the Netflix recommendation! And cocaine gets cheaper the closer you get to the source, given that North America's less of a haul from South America where Erythroxylum coca is cultivated, I'm not shocked it's cheaper here. It's funny how much stigma Germans put on drugs, here in the states we look at many drugs (methadone, GHB, MDA, etc.) as being very German as far as cultural associations. Not meth though. Why does meth have such a terrible reputation there? Compared to the mystery cathinones coming out of the Baltics, I'd imagine meth would be preferable, it lasts longer, you need much less, etc.

Is it just historical connotations to things like Pervitin? My apologies if that's an uncomfortable question, as a Romani man though I feel like nobody still alive today really has anything to feel bad about as far as that situation goes, outside of contemporary bigots trying to repeat it.

The reason that diazepam and amphetamine are viewed as inferior to their more potent and often equivalently priced relatives is just that, getting "the most bang for your buck" when it comes to which drugs are selected. Most Americans think there are three benzos: Diazepam, alprazolam, and clonazepam. They view clonazepam as the long and gentle one, xanax as the hard and fast one, and diazepam as a waste of time. That's because it's insanely rare to get a scrip for others, and our culture here surrounding benzos originates in redirected pharmaceuticals. The amount of people I've known with 5-10 separate, often overlapping medications prescribed to them is insane. I'm talking concurrent Ritalin and Adderall scrips, alongside a second benzo to help them sleep because their morning clonazepam is just there for anxiety, on top of a variety of antipsychotics and other pills. There's a lot to be said about the variance between people who are often overprescribed (older, richer, whiter) versus people who are underprescribed relative to the issues they face (younger, poorer, less white).

I'm unfamiliar with the music videos you're talking about, but temazepam, midazolam, flurazepam, and flunitrazepam as you mentioned are things I've never seen even once here despite ~12 years of being involved with various narcotics.

Pregabalin isn't a thing here because gabapentin is viewed as trash, and trying to sell somebody trash but better isn't really a great pitch. I personally love Gabapentin, to the point that when I'm eating my way through a bag of them I'll facetiously refer to them as "my side bitch Gabby" when around my boyfriend. I've yet to encounter pregabalin, it's become profoundly difficult to import recently and I suspect some pills given to me as "nerve pain pills" of ambiguous origin when I was young may have been pregabalin? I'm not sure, regardless THC is what's accessible to Americans, so it's what we use.

Many foreigners are less tolerant of THC than Americans, but I think when you grow up using it often (I started with oral THC at 13 years old, smoking it by time my asthma got better at 18), you don't get caught in the same weird thought loops and stigmatized feelings that others do. It's kind of a stereotype that people who aren't from the Western hemisphere will always bug out if you smoke them up, because they can't break the thought loops like we can. It reminds me a lot of smoking salvia, it's only for a certain type of person, but that person can be created by a certain culture that cultivates them. I have two friends here who grew up here with no childhood exposure to THC, and they freak the fuck out upon even a tiny dose, but can use LSD without concern which I find fascinating, as LSD has a much more intense potential for generating vivid hallucinations in my experience.

Another reason backing up Pregabalin's lack of popularity here in the states is likely the "chemophobia" of it. I've pressed THC into pills before and had people straight up refuse "that chemical garbage", despite it being identical to what they're smoking on right in front of me. Americans, likely due to our historically tense relationship to industrialized pharmaceuticauls ("big pharma"), are profoundly chemophobic and would eat a poisonous mushroom before taking a pill they aren't profoundly familiar with. Even then, I know many of Americans who've taken thousands of doses of known hepatotoxins just because they're over-the-counter, yet they won't touch mescaline or psilocin if it's extracted, only if it's in a raw plant form. An interesting exception is that these people often view LSD as a natural product for some reason.

The majority of opioids-in-the-benzo-supply stories are false, but I've personally come across some before when I was using benzos much more often in my youth. Popped a full bar from a new plug ~15-16 years old and nodded off in a park, came back and immediately texted the new plug about needing to meet with him ASAP. I handed him a bar and forgot to advise him to only pop a box of it (1/4 of that pressing, they were fake Farmaprams) and I weighed 45-50kg more than this guy, certainly with a higher opioid tolerance. We nearly had to hit him with the Narcan because we did not think he was coming back from that nod, but once he did he realized what he'd done, and tragically a life was lost due to his dumb ass not testing his bars until somebody twice his size comes back absolutely livid and forces him to confront what he's done. I've not heard of fentanyl being in pressies, this might've been fent, I've not a clue, once he came back he threw his remaining supply of those pressed Farmaprams in a firepit and started contacting clients, keeping a list of those that he couldn't get ahold of so we could keep our eyes out for the obituary. As fucked up as it is to say, given the amount of product that guy moved, it's fortunate that only a single death occurred as opposed to many, many more.

I'm very interested in benzos, they represent a form of perfection when compared to other depressants imo. They can be so many different things, and they're virtually impossible to overdose on. I often tout them as "the lysergamides of downers" since not only is their safety profile stunning compared to their predecessors, but they are also often potent enough to fit in blotter paper, which makes the ease of transit and stealth very high compared to other compounds you need more of. I'd love to be part of that private DM group if it's available! Feel free to DM me with any further info so we can keep it out of the public eye on this thread.

It's ~20 minutes past 17:30 where you are, I hope the ethyl loflazepate goes well!! And a few days ago I think you said your boyfriend's becoming either your fiancee or your husband imminently, congratulations on that!! I'm still probably a couple years away from that point (economically restabilizing after another health issue) but I can't wait to put a ring on his finger.

Because I had to do some things, we started 5 minutes ago...thank you very much for ur long and detailed reply.
Im going to reply later or tomorrow and tell you then how it was and btw. no, its not a problem asking me things like Pervitin, but thanks for the empathy...you can always ask me anything, also such sensitive things, just because im from Germany, im not offended so dont worry.

Have a nice day and im going text you here, or in the DM's about the benzo trip

 

[chippermonk]

As far as peoples' access to barbs, I can only speak from my American lens but I first encountered them as a teenager, because I'd help people with what we call "estate sales", where somebody dies and there's no next-of-kin so a company essentially turns their entire home into a yard sale for the town to ransack. Phenobarbital was strange enough sounding for me to snatch it from some medicine cabinets thinking to myself "What are the original users going to do, use it in the afterlife?". I didn't use it but my friends did, it was universally disliked. Sometimes chemists I know that I met later in life during my college years would make barbs out of sheer curiosity, the precursors weren't the toughest for them to conjure. It was fascinating to witness this process, as it was when I was a baby chemist who couldn't do jack shit, though I've still got quite a ways to go. Once again, the end product was universally disliked by everyone who tried it, and I tended to be the type to watch others try a new drug before I would in that phase of my life, so once again I did not try them. I've never heard of anywhere with a large supply of barbs flowing around a market, the same way that benzos, opioids, and varied muscle relaxants move around the US, or quinazolinones around South Africa.

Ha! Yeah many years ago I scored a stash of a few Dalmanes (flurazepam), Rohrer 714s ( quaaludes ), Seconal (secobarbital), and Doridens ( glutetgimide) from Grandma's medicine cabinet when she died. I still have them because, honestly, I hate downers too much to actually take them. Nothing euphoric about them for me. But I always figured they might be useful somehow and that I was never going to find them again. At this point they're maybe nothing more than my emergency suicide kit ( don't worry, 40 years and I still haven't used them)
I do think benzos are kind of ok, at LOW dose. They tamp down anxiety and help me sleep when I have problems. And I guess the Dalmanes are a type of benzo. But in general I really dislike being so hopelessly sleepy. Quaaludes and barbs were just awful for me. Opiates I have always valued because at low doses, they energize me and relieve depression and anxiety.

 

[daturetard]

around a market, the same way that benzos, opioids, and varied muscle relaxants move around the US, or quinazolinones around South Africa.

It's fucking crazy to me that there's no market for barbs as they're so easy to produce and in effect result in total oblivion. I feel like if fent users were on barbs they might be a little better off, at least if they were pure... though they wouldnt.. also they feel so fucking good..... I don't get why everything I've read is bad.. maybe most people just prefer to have their mental faculties in tact?

 

[Esperighanto]

It's fucking crazy to me that there's no market for barbs as they're so easy to produce and in effect result in total oblivion. I feel like if fent users were on barbs they might be a little better off, at least if they were pure... though they wouldnt.. also they feel so fucking good..... I don't get why everything I've read is bad.. maybe most people just prefer to have their mental faculties in tact?

Most people need to continue functioning but just want to function with more ease. Your average addict isn't trying to be the person fent-folded in half getting clowned on by middle schoolers at the bus stop, you know?

Barbs are easy to produce but if you compare ease of production to potency by weight, you're left with some benzos, a few classes of hyper potent opioids, and tizanidine as far as depressants go afaik. In addition to this, drugs are almost guaranteed to be best used as a seasoning upon a good life, as opposed to an escape from it altogether. That's my opinion on it at least.

If fent users were instead barb users they'd have probably overdosed much earlier, the therapeutic index on barbs makes GHB look like saline, they got replaced for safety reasons mostly.

 

[daturetard]

tizanidine .

Isn't clonidine more potent by weight? Does that shit even feel good? Like I get it's potent but it's not really much of an abusable thing unless you're with opioids too. Or am I missing something? Never heard of a big market for tizanidine, nor have I had it.

 

[AngelsandFairiesarereal]

I've got ~17 surgeries at this point and 16 months of hospitalization under my belt, a period of which involved being on hospice care, where doctors would just ask me "so what do you want" and they'd send me a 3 month scrip monthly. I'm always confused by these tales of "friendly" doctors, I'm assuming the implication is that they overprescribe until you're addicted and then try to leverage that as a power dynamic?

If this was the case, I really hope you reported that piece of shit to the board, or at least emptied a magazine or two into their vehicle as an indicator of the dangers of such behaviors.

Lorazepam and hydromorphone was the combination I was on when a peer took advantage of me, my first time ever having sex. That was a pretty traumatic start to things, to just realize "oh if you're too high around others they just don't care about consent". It imbued in me at far too young of an age that sometimes you have to scare such monsters out of their behavioral patterns with greater power dynamics if you want them to stop.

Yes your assumed implication was spot on. I went to that doctor and he knew of my situation of being a survivor of abuse that was in physical pain. He would prescribe me that and other heavy stuff. Every time I came back he would prescribe me more and tell me how I’m such a lovely young lady that never deserved abuse. Then the more I came back the more inappropriate he became. It happened very slowly, like telling me how beautiful I was and giving me a hug when I was crying about something … which looking back should have been the first red flag (but I was so young and already pretty zoned out from the beginnings of PTSD/dissociation from being a survivor of pretty severe prior trauma). Then he just kept becoming more and more handsy until something finally happened in his office one day and I completely froze and didn’t know what to do. When he left the office I grabbed my stuff and just ran out and never came back. Unfortunately I was in such a bad place mentally and strung out on drugs that when I vowed to myself to never go back there and started going through withdrawal …. well, I felt like it was my fault for not realizing what was going on at first and letting him give me hugs in the first place and stuff (which now I would never tell another girl or woman that that was their fault). That’s how predators take advantage of people, it’s like they know how to pick their prey. I had come from severe abuse, was extremely young, vulnerable and did not have a stable family or support system. He also did it very, very slowly gaining my trust, continuously upping all my meds and sprinkling in only slightly questionable acts at the same time as being very kind and telling me he was helping me.

I really don’t tell people too much about the full story of that but since you asked (and I kind of brought it up anyways) I figured I’d be honest. Heck, maybe someone will read this that may have been through the same and can at least know they are not alone and that it wasn’t their fault.

I’m really sorry what you went through as well, and hope you are okay and know that it wasn’t your fault either.
Big hug to you amigo

 

[AngelsandFairiesarereal]

But yea, the Fioricet combo (with the barbiturate Butalbital) definitely caused great euphoria for me. The only other barbiturate I’ve done is phenobarbital, which did pretty much nothing for me compared to that great feeling of Fioricet.

 

[CavernsoftheMind]

I honestly can't answer this if alcohol is excluded. All GABA-ergics I've tried were fine.
I also like bretazenil, it's a great sleep med for me.

It doesn't feel euphoric, but I've never noticed any dysphoria.
It just put me to sleep quickly & I was feeling completely sober the next morning.

 

[CavernsoftheMind]

Yes your assumed implication was spot on. I went to that doctor and he knew of my situation of being a survivor of abuse that was in physical pain. He would prescribe me that and other heavy stuff. Every time I came back he would prescribe me more and tell me how I’m such a lovely young lady that never deserved abuse. Then the more I came back the more inappropriate he became. It happened very slowly, like telling me how beautiful I was and giving me a hug when I was crying about something … which looking back should have been the first red flag (but I was so young and already pretty zoned out from the beginnings of PTSD/dissociation from being a survivor of pretty severe prior trauma). Then he just kept becoming more and more handsy until something finally happened in his office one day and I completely froze and didn’t know what to do. When he left the office I grabbed my stuff and just ran out and never came back. Unfortunately I was in such a bad place mentally and strung out on drugs that when I vowed to myself to never go back there and started going through withdrawal …. well, I felt like it was my fault for not realizing what was going on at first and letting him give me hugs in the first place and stuff (which now I would never tell another girl or woman that that was their fault). That’s how predators take advantage of people, it’s like they know how to pick their prey. I had come from severe abuse, was extremely young, vulnerable and did not have a stable family or support system. He also did it very, very slowly gaining my trust, continuously upping all my meds and sprinkling in only slightly questionable acts at the same time as being very kind and telling me he was helping me.

I really don’t tell people too much about the full story of that but since you asked (and I kind of brought it up anyways) I figured I’d be honest. Heck, maybe someone will read this that may have been through the same and can at least know they are not alone and that it wasn’t their fault.

I’m really sorry what you went through as well, and hope you are okay and know that it wasn’t your fault either.
Big hug to you amigo

That's so horrible.
I can't grasp how evil some people can behave because of their sexual desires.

I hope you're in a better place now & have at least partly healed.

 

[Quasimoto]

I honestly can't answer this if alcohol is excluded.

As an alcoholic myself, I understand. Yet it does so many other things to the brain it really is in a category of it's own. It hits dopamine and opioid receptors quite hard. In fact it influences 6 different neurotransmitters.

And that is the reason why you could pump me full of benzos or any GABAergic, and I will still crave alcohol. No mercy from the devil.

Personally, I look at it differently than all other GABAergic drugs.

 

[CavernsoftheMind]

As an alcoholic myself, I understand. Yet it does so many other things to the brain it really is in a category of it's own. It hits dopamine and opioid receptors quite hard. In fact it influences 6 different neurotransmitters.

And that is the reason why you could pump me full of benzos or any GABAergic, and I will still crave alcohol. No mercy from the devil.

Personally, I look at it differently than all other GABAergic drugs.

True, it's definitely unique.
Just also uniquely bad side effects, which is why I'd call it my least favorite GABA-ergic.

Last winter I went through s horrible depressive episode & was close to seriously considering suicide.
During that time I had a high dose alcohol session (which I have very rarely after my 3 or 4 youth puking overdose experiences), which actually felt very releiving.
I got kind of manic (I guess that's the NMDA antagonism), snapped out of my depression, listen to songs I listened to as a depressed teen. Drank like half a bottle of 50% absinthe all by my own, lying in my bed & listening to this emotional music till 5 in the morning.
The next day I felt hungover & depressed again, but this glimpse to another state of mind gave me hope.

My way out of that episode was booking a flight to the canary islands & staying for 3 months btw.

 

[AngelsandFairiesarereal]

That's so horrible.
I can't grasp how evil some people can behave because of their sexual desires.

I hope you're in a better place now & have at least partly healed.

Thank you for your kindness

 

[LucidSDreamr]

Gabapentin. I could swear it is totally inert.

 

[Mana0909]

@Esperighanto
So like I've promised you today,

Detailed Trip Experience for the Benzo: "Ethyl Dirazepate"

Persons: 2 Persons (myself and my fiancee)
Dosage: 7,5mg + 5mg (after


T+0:00 - 18:00 (actually 17:55, but hey) Ingestion:

I took the 7.5mg dose with a glass of water. The pill was small and easy to swallow. My fiancé and I settled down on the couch with a book, waiting for the effects to kick in. I took it exactly at 17:55 and was still active on BL, as many replied to my comments.

T+0:30 - 18:30 - Onset:

About 30 minutes in, I started to feel a gentle wave of relaxation wash over me. It wasn’t as immediate or intense as some other benzos I’ve tried, but it was definitely noticeable. My muscles began to feel looser, and a sense of calm started to take over. I stopped using BL and closed the website.

T+1:00 - 19:00 - Peak:

By the one-hour mark, I was fully immersed in the effects of Ethyl Dirazepate. The anxiolytic properties were quite pronounced—I felt a significant reduction in anxiety and stress. My mind was clear, and I felt a mild euphoria that was very pleasant. It wasn't aggressive and didn't make me emotionless, empty, or neutral like Lorazepam and Alprazolam. The bliss and euphoria weren’t overwhelming, but it was enough to put me in a great mood. My fiancé was experiencing similar effects, and we both felt incredibly connected and at ease. The euphoria was weaker than Mephenaqualone (RC-Quaaludes) or Phenibut, but stronger than those caused by Oxazepam and Clobazam.

T+2:00 - 20:00 - Plateau (Peak):

The effects remained steady for the next couple of hours. I noticed a slight sedative effect, but it wasn’t enough to make me feel drowsy or lethargic. Instead, I felt a comfortable, mellow relaxation. My fiancé and I watched a movie, and I found myself more engaged and less distracted than usual. We both also started to cuddle and decided to take a second dose. Each of us took one pellet, meaning 5mg per person, putting both of us at 12.5mg.

T+3:00 - 21:00 - Enhanced Effects (Peak):

After the re-dose, the effects became more pronounced. The relaxation deepened, and the mild euphoria intensified slightly. My fiancé and I felt even more bliss and cuddled, while staying mostly silent. We ignored the movie, and my fiancé turned on the perfect Spotify playlist, while letting some random landscape view videos run in the background. It truly had all the basics that I like from a benzo trip. My husband and I both only like mild to medium doses. We don't want to numb our feelings, although I can understand that someone who is very lonely and unstable IRL loves to completely numb their feelings. Because this person is mostly depressed, this numbness feels like euphoria. At least that's my experience, both IRL and on another forum, but I won't judge anyone—that's a subjective matter.

T+5:00 - 23:00 - Decline:

Around the four-hour mark (since the peak), I started to feel the effects gradually taper off. The euphoria and relaxation slowly faded, leaving me with a lingering sense of calm. There was no sudden crash or rebound anxiety, which was a relief. My fiancé and I started talking about our upcoming wedding, feeling still very calm, relaxed, and also excited, without any stress. I would recommend not re-dosing this benzodiazepine because it only increased the current effects by a small amount and didn't really extend the duration.

T+7:00 - 1:00 - Aftereffects:

Even after the primary effects had worn off, I experienced a pleasant afterglow. I felt more at ease and less stressed than I had before taking the drug. There were no noticeable side effects, which was a big plus. My fiancé and I both agreed that it was a positive experience.

T+15:00 - 9:00 - After Sleep:

I'm feeling fully normal, only a tiny amount of muscle relaxation and sedation remained, but this also disappeared 20 minutes later.

Comparison to Other Benzos:

In comparison to other benzodiazepines, I found Ethyl Dirazepate to be quite unique. It had a smoother onset and a more prolonged duration than Alprazolam, but it wasn’t as sedating as Clonazepam or Diazepam. The euphoria was more subtle than that of Clonazepam and especially compared to Temazepam, Flunitrazepam, and Quinazolinones, but it was still enjoyable. Overall, I would say it’s a great option for those looking for a mild, long-lasting benzo with minimal side effects.

Conclusion:

Ethyl Dirazepate turned out to be a pleasant surprise. It provided a gentle, long-lasting relaxation without the heavy sedation or intense euphoria of some other benzodiazepines. I would definitely consider using it again, especially in situations where I need to stay calm and focused without feeling overly sedated. My fiancé had the same opinion as myself, but we are going to try it again next month with a total of 15mg - 20mg directly to see how it feels in a larger dose.

Duration:

Onset: 30 Minutes
Duration: 4 - 6 Hours
Come down: 1 - 3 Hours
After Glow: 5 - 45 Minutes

My score: 3.25/5.00 My Fiancé's score: 3.50/5.00

Potency:

This fact isn't known, so it is fully subjective.

Ethyl Dirazepate 5mg equals to:

• 40 - 60mg Oxazepam
• 10 - 15mg Diazepam
• 1.25 - 1.5mg Lorazepam
• 1.0 - 1.5mg Flunitrazepam
• 0.5 - 0.75mg Clonazepam

 

[marcoman]

Nice write up. Thanks for that. Ethyl Dirazepate sounds like one that may be good for me.

 

[Mana0909]

Thank you very much. Later today or tomorrow, I will write a detailed trip experience on "Ethyl Loflazepate," which is basically the original substance. Dirazepate is an analogue of Loflazepate. Ethyl Loflazepate is a drug used in Portugal and Japan under the brand names "Victan" and "Meilax," and it is available in 1mg and 2mg pills.

My fiancé got his hands on one blister of "Victan 2mg" (the middle picture), which contains 20 pills, and one blister of "Meilax 1mg" (the last picture), which contains 10 pills. It is one of the most expensive benzodiazepines (price per pill), and I know that it is much stronger than its analogue, Dirazepate.

I can say that all "ethyl-" benzodiazepines are very unique. They are like the "-zafone" benzo prodrugs, meaning that the substance itself doesn't have any effects on its own. Once it's in your system, it metabolizes into the true psychoactive substance "N-Desalkylflurazepam" (also known as norflurazepam), which is actually the metabolite of many other different benzodiazepines, such as flurazepam, flutoprazepam, fludiazepam, midazolam, flutazolam, quazepam, and of course, ethyl loflazepate.

This means that many of these benzodiazepines are essentially the same, but some, of course, have other metabolites and more than just one active psychoactive substance.

I hope you found this brief information interesting, there are so many "ethyl-" benzodiazepines, where we almost do not have any informations about.

- This colored text meant, that I had this information from wikipedia, I actually knew about "Norflurazepam," but not that its the metabolite of so many other benzodiazepines

 

[CavernsoftheMind]

Thank you very much. Later today or tomorrow, I will write a detailed trip experience on "Ethyl Loflazepate," which is basically the original substance. Dirazepate is an analogue of Loflazepate. Ethyl Loflazepate is a drug used in Portugal and Japan under the brand names "Victan" and "Meilax," and it is available in 1mg and 2mg pills.

My fiancé got his hands on one blister of "Victan 2mg" (the middle picture), which contains 20 pills, and one blister of "Meilax 1mg" (the last picture), which contains 10 pills. It is one of the most expensive benzodiazepines (price per pill), and I know that it is much stronger than its analogue, Dirazepate.

I can say that all "ethyl-" benzodiazepines are very unique. They are like the "-zafone" benzo prodrugs, meaning that the substance itself doesn't have any effects on its own. Once it's in your system, it metabolizes into the true psychoactive substance "N-Desalkylflurazepam" (also known as norflurazepam), which is actually the metabolite of many other different benzodiazepines, such as flurazepam, flutoprazepam, fludiazepam, midazolam, flutazolam, quazepam, and of course, ethyl loflazepate.

This means that many of these benzodiazepines are essentially the same, but some, of course, have other metabolites and more than just one active psychoactive substance.

I hope you found this brief information interesting, there are so many "ethyl-" benzodiazepines, where we almost do not have any informations about.

- This colored text meant, that I had this information from wikipedia, I actually knew about "Norflurazepam," but not that its the metabolite of so many other benzodiazepines

Love how much your into the topic of Downers. Interesting posts.

Btw, do you & your partner only use GABA-ergics / opioids?

Liebe Grüße

 

[Mana0909]

Love how much your into the topic of Downers. Interesting posts.

Btw, do you & your partner only use GABA-ergics / opioids?

Liebe Grüße

Yeah, most of the time, we just love GABA-ergics and opioids. I never liked THC, acid, ketamine, alcohol, etc. Opioids, Phenibut, Benzos, and Methaqualone/Mephenaqualone are my and my husband's world. If you have a question about a specific substance, you can always ask me. You're welcome.

Liebe Grüße wünschen mein Mann und ich dir auch. Bleib gesund und hab ein schönes Fest.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Worst by long shot Phenibut, might be a GABA-b like GHB.
But in my experience dose independent, only had effect on severity !
Long lasting nauseating, vertigo causing forcing me to lay down,
and ride it out substance.

1. Best GHB/ GBL of the lot, mostly GABA-b/ GHB receptor.
Euphoric as ....

2. Ethaqualone was bizar vaped instant rush [watch your head !],
Vaped its nothing like GHB, just rush and instant downer.

As 350 mg/ 500 mg/ prescribed was a effective oral dose.
Never tried that but wonder how close to GHB that would rank.
Same for a equivalent dose of Methaqualone and Mephenaqualone.

3. Benzodiazepinen, only 1 re creative imo: Temazepam.
Warm allround/ everlasting Diazepam deserves a place.
Great if you hate Cannabis WD, covers em complete,
only you ll feel drowsy. instead of creative/ energetic.
Also great when in need for a warm long chill.

And the other 3 very good ones,

Etizolam/ DesChloroEtizolam [bit of difference/ overal the same].
It has a sort of pleasant feel for me. Not re creative, but mellow.
Unlike the mainstream Benzo s, its sort of special.

Pyrazolam and Clobazam that are are just super effective,
without the usual side effects as sedation, amnesia, muscle relaxation.
'The background Benzo s', that leave you 100% functional, love the 2.

One that sounds realy realy intriguing,
but is medically discontiued here. CloMethiazole.
That one sounded quite a re creative downer to me.
Only the Sinus side effect you d have to endure.

 

[krkkhed]

Depends on the country you're in, usually it's only found in certain areas of Western Europe and Asia iirc? It's extremely uncommon in the US or Canada though.


What is this OD issue you're talking about? Genuinely curious, it's almost impossible to OD on benzos which is why this piqued my curiosity. Asking a doc for a benzo scrip is a quick way to get flagged as "drug seeking", and asking Bluelight for avenues to acquire drugs is a violation of terms of use, I'd suggest probably editing that out of your comment tbh. If you're not comfortable using darknet marketplaces, deal with your lack of benzos as getting them off the street is a huge pain in the ass and is quite dangerous to do safely. Maybe kava or other similar drugs could help, or you could try to get a scrip for something like pregabalin or gabapentin as a sort of "comfort drug" in place of clonazepam.

Temazepam is easier than people think to get perscribed in Canada. I switched to it after 3 months of Zopiclone, cuz showed my doctor some studies and whatnot about something involving how they are equally as effective in treatment of insomnia in terms of actually falling asleep and staying asleep, and they put me on it. Zopiclones gustatory hallucination was too much for me....had to switch off