Which drugs would you legalize?
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rincewindrocks
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my view is rather contradictory. I fully encourage everyone to try anything they want, legal or otherwise. I also believe most of these drugs are too dangerous to be legalized. also, there are shades of grey with legalization. Are we talking total availability, age-restricted availability, perscriptive availability, what? some, like weed, should be available to just about anyone (maybe 16 as an age limit), others, like LSD (even though I take it and enjoy it) i believe should be perscribed by a doctor or psycholgist.
vonchampz
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I am in favor of legalizing weed, but I think most other drugs should stay illegal. However I am a huge proponent of lessening drug laws, and putting laws in affect that make it easier to use drugs if you choose in a safe manner (ie. needle exchange and methadone/bupe clinics when individuals want to quit). One benefit I do see with legalization is that purity could be regulated, which COULD make drug use safer. However I think that ODs would not change and in fact could go up. Here are some statistics on deaths associated with drug use and misc. reasons in the U.S.
Per year. out of a population of 301,139,947
Tobacco kills about 400,000
Alcohol kills about 80,000
Workplace accidents kill 60,000
Automobiles kill 40,000
Cocaine kills about 2,500
Heroin kills about 2,000
Aspirin kills about 2,000
Marijuana kills 0
Statistics from The National Center On Addiction And Substance Abuse at Columbia University.
Very interesting that substances which are legal such as tobacco and alcohol kill 200 and 40 times as many as heroin respectivly. Also very shocking that aspirin kills about the same number of people as heroin. Anyways just something to get people thinking...
Per year. out of a population of 301,139,947
Tobacco kills about 400,000
Alcohol kills about 80,000
Workplace accidents kill 60,000
Automobiles kill 40,000
Cocaine kills about 2,500
Heroin kills about 2,000
Aspirin kills about 2,000
Marijuana kills 0
Statistics from The National Center On Addiction And Substance Abuse at Columbia University.
Very interesting that substances which are legal such as tobacco and alcohol kill 200 and 40 times as many as heroin respectivly. Also very shocking that aspirin kills about the same number of people as heroin. Anyways just something to get people thinking...
Dude Man
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I would legalize every drug.
I agree that it might have to be a staggered legalization as many here have said. This time would be used to educate people so they can make better decision in their drug use. They should be treated simialiar to alcohol in some apects. There should be an age restriction of either 16 or 18. They should keep people from driving while the drugs are active (not just present in the system) which money currently wasted on the drug war could be used to devolp such technology which already exists for some drugs such as MDMA. Also there should be regulation on quality control which would keep people from dying from impurities and aboid overdose due to unkwown potency. All of this would help keep prices to a reasonable level so people wouldnt be spending a disporporationate amount of their income on drugs and would lower stealing related crimes for drugs. It would also lessen the burdon on the legal system both in law enforcement and the prison system. Most important is the human cost of people not being ostercised and even being classifed as criminals just ccause of their choices of substance use.
I do understand that certain ares may not want drugs in their juristiction and shouldnt be forced to but THERE SHOULD AT LEAST BE AN AREA WHERE ANY DRUG CAN BE USED. and if they want people to stay there while they use thats cool just sober up before you leave or get a job there and live there.
I PERSONALLY AM IN THE MIDST OF A COURT CASE FOR POSESSION OF X, HEROIN AND WEED JUST FOR POSESSION ( these are class 4 felonies in IL and i can get 1-3 years). I WILL PROBALLY GOING TO PRISON AGAIN FOR THIS AND I HAVE NOTHING ON MY RECORD EXCEPT FOR POSESSIONS. SO THIS ISSUE IS VERY PERSONAL FOR ME!!
I agree that it might have to be a staggered legalization as many here have said. This time would be used to educate people so they can make better decision in their drug use. They should be treated simialiar to alcohol in some apects. There should be an age restriction of either 16 or 18. They should keep people from driving while the drugs are active (not just present in the system) which money currently wasted on the drug war could be used to devolp such technology which already exists for some drugs such as MDMA. Also there should be regulation on quality control which would keep people from dying from impurities and aboid overdose due to unkwown potency. All of this would help keep prices to a reasonable level so people wouldnt be spending a disporporationate amount of their income on drugs and would lower stealing related crimes for drugs. It would also lessen the burdon on the legal system both in law enforcement and the prison system. Most important is the human cost of people not being ostercised and even being classifed as criminals just ccause of their choices of substance use.
I do understand that certain ares may not want drugs in their juristiction and shouldnt be forced to but THERE SHOULD AT LEAST BE AN AREA WHERE ANY DRUG CAN BE USED. and if they want people to stay there while they use thats cool just sober up before you leave or get a job there and live there.
I PERSONALLY AM IN THE MIDST OF A COURT CASE FOR POSESSION OF X, HEROIN AND WEED JUST FOR POSESSION ( these are class 4 felonies in IL and i can get 1-3 years). I WILL PROBALLY GOING TO PRISON AGAIN FOR THIS AND I HAVE NOTHING ON MY RECORD EXCEPT FOR POSESSIONS. SO THIS ISSUE IS VERY PERSONAL FOR ME!!
underground_troll
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Is it any wonder that laws prohibiting the use of psychoactive drugs have been traditionally ignored? the monstrous ego (or stupidity!) of a person or group of persons, to believe that they or anyone else have the right, or the jurisdiction, to police the inside of my body or my mind!
It is, in fact, so monstrous a wrong that, were it not so sad -- indeed, tragic! -- it might be humorous.
All societies must, it seems, have a structure of laws, of orderly rules and regulations. Only the most hardcore, fanatical anarchist would argue that point. But i, as a responsible adult human being, will never concede the power, to anyone, to regulate my choice of what i put into my body, or where i go with my mind. From skin inward is my jurisdiction, is it not? i choose what may or may not cross that border. Here I am the Customs Agent. i am the Coast Guard. I am the sole legal and spiritual Government of this territory, and only the laws i choose to enact within myself are applicable!!!
Now, were i to be guilty of invading or sabotaging that same territory in others, then the external law of the Nation has every right -- indeed, the responsibility--to prosecute me in the agreed upon manner.
But what i think? where i focus my awareness? what bio-chemical reactions i choose to cause within the territorial boundaries of my own skin are not subject to the beliefs, morals, laws, or preferences of any other person!
I am a soverign state, and i feel that my borders are far more sacred than the politically drawn boundaries of any country.
(exert from the last chapter of PiHKAL)
It is, in fact, so monstrous a wrong that, were it not so sad -- indeed, tragic! -- it might be humorous.
All societies must, it seems, have a structure of laws, of orderly rules and regulations. Only the most hardcore, fanatical anarchist would argue that point. But i, as a responsible adult human being, will never concede the power, to anyone, to regulate my choice of what i put into my body, or where i go with my mind. From skin inward is my jurisdiction, is it not? i choose what may or may not cross that border. Here I am the Customs Agent. i am the Coast Guard. I am the sole legal and spiritual Government of this territory, and only the laws i choose to enact within myself are applicable!!!
Now, were i to be guilty of invading or sabotaging that same territory in others, then the external law of the Nation has every right -- indeed, the responsibility--to prosecute me in the agreed upon manner.
But what i think? where i focus my awareness? what bio-chemical reactions i choose to cause within the territorial boundaries of my own skin are not subject to the beliefs, morals, laws, or preferences of any other person!
I am a soverign state, and i feel that my borders are far more sacred than the politically drawn boundaries of any country.
(exert from the last chapter of PiHKAL)
dragonxninjaxpowa
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i think someone should be allowed to put whatever they want in their own body.
i think someone should be allowed to put whatever they want in their own body.
the_ketaman
Bluelighter
Drugs I would legalise:
LSD, DMT, Mushrooms, Salvia, Codeine, Hydrocodone, Cannabis, Nitrous Oxide, 2C's, AMT, MET, DPT, 4-Aco/ho-xxx, 5-MeO-xxx and pretty much all other RC's made into pills with drug name on pill to prevent OD's. Maybe amphetamine but not meth.
Drugs I would de-criminalize:
MDMA/MDA, amphetamine, cocaine.
Drugs I wouldnt legalize:
Heroin, Hard opiates, Meth, Crack. Basically all the physically unhealthy stuff that truely ruins peoples lived.
LSD, DMT, Mushrooms, Salvia, Codeine, Hydrocodone, Cannabis, Nitrous Oxide, 2C's, AMT, MET, DPT, 4-Aco/ho-xxx, 5-MeO-xxx and pretty much all other RC's made into pills with drug name on pill to prevent OD's. Maybe amphetamine but not meth.
Drugs I would de-criminalize:
MDMA/MDA, amphetamine, cocaine.
Drugs I wouldnt legalize:
Heroin, Hard opiates, Meth, Crack. Basically all the physically unhealthy stuff that truely ruins peoples lived.
chrisinabox
Bluelighter
^no inanimate powders/drugs can ruin ppl lives. and heroin/hard opioids are not physically unhealthy, they are very benign on the body. ANYTHING abused is bad for you. even stuff like weed. even food. basically ppl choose their own paths whether they wanna blame it on drugs or not. it's the prohibition of said drugs that ruins peoples lives, not the drugs themselves.
ALL drugs should be legalized, and at the very least decriminalized.
i hate drug purists that say one drug is okay but others are not. i believe all drugs should be legal even tho there are alot of drugs that i dislike and some that i loathe like cocaine, dxm, alcohol, etc...but i still believe they should be legalized just like the others and that the government should have nothing to do with what we ingest. they don't tell us what food we can eat, we at least not yet, who knows what they will do next.
ALL drugs should be legalized, and at the very least decriminalized.
i hate drug purists that say one drug is okay but others are not. i believe all drugs should be legal even tho there are alot of drugs that i dislike and some that i loathe like cocaine, dxm, alcohol, etc...but i still believe they should be legalized just like the others and that the government should have nothing to do with what we ingest. they don't tell us what food we can eat, we at least not yet, who knows what they will do next.
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the_ketaman
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^^ You can hate me all you like, I honestly dont care.
I knwo the persons self control has a lot to do with whether or not they will end up hopelessly addicted but I can say for sure that it wouldnt be healthy to have a world where crack, heroin, meth and coke were legal. On the other hand most people I know who use psychedelics or pills resposibly never have problems with it even though the supply is outrageously cheap and theres plenty of it. I think your just being ignorant and want drugs to be legal so you can just get fucked up for the rest of your life and do nothing with life.
But as I said, go ahead and hate me, it makes you sound pretty immature to hate me for my opinion![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
BTW should anthrax be legal? Should other poisons be legal??? Have a think about it, if we could put anything into our bodies then alot of people would end up dead pretty quickly. Id be scared to go out if everything was legal. A lot of drugs are illegal for a good reason. weed I agree is stupid to be illegal but with most other non-psychedelic drugs I think should be illegal or at least need some kind of liscense to use. It will never happen though.
I knwo the persons self control has a lot to do with whether or not they will end up hopelessly addicted but I can say for sure that it wouldnt be healthy to have a world where crack, heroin, meth and coke were legal. On the other hand most people I know who use psychedelics or pills resposibly never have problems with it even though the supply is outrageously cheap and theres plenty of it. I think your just being ignorant and want drugs to be legal so you can just get fucked up for the rest of your life and do nothing with life.
But as I said, go ahead and hate me, it makes you sound pretty immature to hate me for my opinion
BTW should anthrax be legal? Should other poisons be legal??? Have a think about it, if we could put anything into our bodies then alot of people would end up dead pretty quickly. Id be scared to go out if everything was legal. A lot of drugs are illegal for a good reason. weed I agree is stupid to be illegal but with most other non-psychedelic drugs I think should be illegal or at least need some kind of liscense to use. It will never happen though.
chrisinabox
Bluelighter
^^ You can hate me all you like, I honestly dont care.
I knwo the persons self control has a lot to do with whether or not they will end up hopelessly addicted but I can say for sure that it wouldnt be healthy to have a world where crack, heroin, meth and coke were legal. On the other hand most people I know who use psychedelics or pills resposibly never have problems with it even though the supply is outrageously cheap and theres plenty of it. I think your just being ignorant and want drugs to be legal so you can just get fucked up for the rest of your life and do nothing with life.
But as I said, go ahead and hate me, it makes you sound pretty immature to hate me for my opinion
BTW should anthrax be legal? Should other poisons be legal??? Have a think about it, if we could put anything into our bodies then alot of people would end up dead pretty quickly. Id be scared to go out if everything was legal. A lot of drugs are illegal for a good reason. weed I agree is stupid to be illegal but with most other non-psychedelic drugs I think should be illegal or at least need some kind of liscense to use. It will never happen though.
first off, i never said i hated you, i dont know you so i cant say that, i just dont agree with your opinion, that is all. do you know that heroin, cocaine, and meth all used to be legal back in the early 1900s? did the world go crazy then? no. its just like with alcohol prohibition, the government realized they were not gonna stop ppl from making and drinking alcohol and made it legal again and everybody did not run out and get drunk just b/c it is legal. that is the worst part of what you just said. you think just b/c drugs are legal that everyone is gonna run out and get high, hell no! im sure there will be a small increase in drug use at first but in the end, usage will stay about the same. and you say ppl that do pills or psychs dont have that many problems. nobody that pays cheap prices with a plentiful supply would have problems. if someone had unlimited amount of heroin, they wouldnt have a worry in the world.
i dont have a personal reason for drugs to be legal really. they should have never been made illegal in the first place. racial prejudice is what caused nearly all of the illegal drugs nowadays to become illegal. i believe the government should have ZERO authority to say what substance i or anybody else can put in my body. it doesnt matter what it is. whether it heroin, alcohol, nicotine, or a poison. the person is gonna do it anyways. just because a person wants to have true freedom doesnt mean they want to "get fucked up". lol. you seem to think just b/c drugs are legal, everyone is just gonna quit their jobs, buy massive amounts of drugs and get fucked up all the time for the rest of their life. you think ppl are that stupid. no, a small majority might do that, but not that many. i believe ppl should have to go thru a harm reduction class or something like that to get a license to use a drug or whatever. prohibition causes nearly all of the problems associated with drugs, it ruins ppl lives, lets scum cut and make drugs in shitty ways, lets ppl continue to use dirty needles instead of giving them new ones, throws nonviolent drug users in jail just b/c they wanna have a little fun when someone can become a hardcore alcoholic with no legal problems at all.
estrelladelmar
Bluelighter
Ummmmmmmmm..........Heroin/opiates have little to no health complications, other than the sterotypical "lifestyle" associate with it like users sharing rigs and contracting infectious disease etc. The worst thing about opiate addiction is just that...addiction itself/physical dependence. Also, I find it VERY amusing that you think there is a chemical difference between crack and cocaine.
chrisinabox
Bluelighter
^ +1
claire22
Bluelighter
i'd legalize none. it's just immoral
chrisinabox
Bluelighter
^ why is it immoral??
RainingDownOxy
Greenlighter
my thoughts on this topic are mixed.
Drugs I would want to see legalized:
Opiates,their legal with a prescription so decriminalize them when without..
Cannabis/Opium/Hashish-legal for all,but still have an age limit 21^so kids arent toking at school...
Pharmacy Grade MDMA-legal but an age limit in order to buy them like 21^.
Drugs like Dimethyltryptamine(DMT),LSD,Mescaline,Phencyclidine(PCP), 2C-x Family and the other "familys" I think that they should still be legal but decriminalized. Or maybe legal, but sold behind the counter and with an age restriction. Ive never done these drus but what Ive seen people do and say while under their influence was bizarre and sometimes scary.
Crack/Cocaine, Methamphetamine and Heroin are drugs that I think should stay illegal. These drugs are very powerful and can cause addiction and dependence very very quickly. This is not something that our world needs to have in its stores or wherever so that not only adults would be affected but kids coud get these powerful drugs as well. And we all know that when you start doing these drugs early enough, that a lot of the times it can only lead to an unwanted addiction for 1 year, or 2,or 5 or the rest of their lives.
Ketamine I think should be pretty much legalized and have it sold in Pure grade form in seperate single doses to people 21^. And I think thats all I got.
People are going to most likely flame or ask why do I think there should be an age limit on the drugs??Its just my personal opinion.Yes kids will still be able to get these substances by resorting to having an of age person buy them for the kids,same way alcohol and ciggarettes are bought for minors. It will happen, but at least the kids of our generation would be somewhat restricted from drug use untill they are older. Its just my belief, but the last hing I want is to see anyones young siblings becoming drug addicts at 13 and then may or may not care about school or college when we all no that education is the key to success and gives you a better chance at getting a job. Of couse there are also very successful people who didnt go to or finish school who are in good jobs. My 0.2$
Drugs I would want to see legalized:
Opiates,their legal with a prescription so decriminalize them when without..
Cannabis/Opium/Hashish-legal for all,but still have an age limit 21^so kids arent toking at school...
Pharmacy Grade MDMA-legal but an age limit in order to buy them like 21^.
Drugs like Dimethyltryptamine(DMT),LSD,Mescaline,Phencyclidine(PCP), 2C-x Family and the other "familys" I think that they should still be legal but decriminalized. Or maybe legal, but sold behind the counter and with an age restriction. Ive never done these drus but what Ive seen people do and say while under their influence was bizarre and sometimes scary.
Crack/Cocaine, Methamphetamine and Heroin are drugs that I think should stay illegal. These drugs are very powerful and can cause addiction and dependence very very quickly. This is not something that our world needs to have in its stores or wherever so that not only adults would be affected but kids coud get these powerful drugs as well. And we all know that when you start doing these drugs early enough, that a lot of the times it can only lead to an unwanted addiction for 1 year, or 2,or 5 or the rest of their lives.
Ketamine I think should be pretty much legalized and have it sold in Pure grade form in seperate single doses to people 21^. And I think thats all I got.
People are going to most likely flame or ask why do I think there should be an age limit on the drugs??Its just my personal opinion.Yes kids will still be able to get these substances by resorting to having an of age person buy them for the kids,same way alcohol and ciggarettes are bought for minors. It will happen, but at least the kids of our generation would be somewhat restricted from drug use untill they are older. Its just my belief, but the last hing I want is to see anyones young siblings becoming drug addicts at 13 and then may or may not care about school or college when we all no that education is the key to success and gives you a better chance at getting a job. Of couse there are also very successful people who didnt go to or finish school who are in good jobs. My 0.2$
ShineCrazyDiamond
Greenlighter
I do admit that I didnt get a chance to read every post so forgive me if I repeat any other posters.
I voted to legalize them all. The fact of the matter is that the "War on Drugs" is failed U.S. policy. We spend in excess of $50 billion a year at the federal, state and local levels. We have been funding this fiasco since the Nixon administration.
"Those who do not study history are bound to repeat it". This could not be more evident than it is concerning the war on drugs. We have a perfect model of this failure staring us right in the face in the form of Alchohol prohibition. People will continue to ingest any substance they chose whether it is legal or not. Which brings me to my point. If the US govt were to legalize all drugs, and allow for the manufacture to pharmacutical quality and then tax them appropiately we would virtually end all of the crime associated with drug use. The money saved from eliminating the war on drugs as well as the tax revenues generated could be used for drug education, rehab facilities, and a number of other alternatives that are far more succesful in treating a drug epidemic than simply funding other governments, the DEA and other law enforcement dedicated to eradication through criminalization. It would also take a huge burden off our prison system. Not to mention increasing the ability of law enforcement to dedicate more manpower and funding towards violent crime.
Human beings will continue to use substances whether they are legal or not, this is self evident. The only ones benefiting from their illegal status are terrorists, organized crime, street gangs and other violent individuals who are profiting greatly.
That being said I do not see the US govt ever doing this unless a MAJOR grassroot contingency garnered national attention thus forcing politicians to "listen to the voters".
I will closely watch the recent Dutch program concerning the legal use of heroin for addicts. My hunch is it will prove quite succesful. I am convinced it is a step in the right direction.
Peace
I voted to legalize them all. The fact of the matter is that the "War on Drugs" is failed U.S. policy. We spend in excess of $50 billion a year at the federal, state and local levels. We have been funding this fiasco since the Nixon administration.
"Those who do not study history are bound to repeat it". This could not be more evident than it is concerning the war on drugs. We have a perfect model of this failure staring us right in the face in the form of Alchohol prohibition. People will continue to ingest any substance they chose whether it is legal or not. Which brings me to my point. If the US govt were to legalize all drugs, and allow for the manufacture to pharmacutical quality and then tax them appropiately we would virtually end all of the crime associated with drug use. The money saved from eliminating the war on drugs as well as the tax revenues generated could be used for drug education, rehab facilities, and a number of other alternatives that are far more succesful in treating a drug epidemic than simply funding other governments, the DEA and other law enforcement dedicated to eradication through criminalization. It would also take a huge burden off our prison system. Not to mention increasing the ability of law enforcement to dedicate more manpower and funding towards violent crime.
Human beings will continue to use substances whether they are legal or not, this is self evident. The only ones benefiting from their illegal status are terrorists, organized crime, street gangs and other violent individuals who are profiting greatly.
That being said I do not see the US govt ever doing this unless a MAJOR grassroot contingency garnered national attention thus forcing politicians to "listen to the voters".
I will closely watch the recent Dutch program concerning the legal use of heroin for addicts. My hunch is it will prove quite succesful. I am convinced it is a step in the right direction.
Peace
StonyMcDumbass
Bluelighter
I hate to say it but I think that total legalization might be very bad,
so thats why I only chose 3 groups of drugs:
Stuff like Weed that has no negative side effects.
Hard extremely addictive stuff that the legalization of would lower the crime rate like Heroin and Coke.
And lastly hallucinogens that people have used for religious ceremonies like DMT and Mescaline. Some people may argue that any hallucinogen can be used to have a religious experience, but I don't think tribesman in south america are tripping PCP and 2C-B
so thats why I only chose 3 groups of drugs:
Stuff like Weed that has no negative side effects.
Hard extremely addictive stuff that the legalization of would lower the crime rate like Heroin and Coke.
And lastly hallucinogens that people have used for religious ceremonies like DMT and Mescaline. Some people may argue that any hallucinogen can be used to have a religious experience, but I don't think tribesman in south america are tripping PCP and 2C-B
spacefacethebassace
Bluelighter
All drugs should be legal. The efforts to prevent drug use now could simply be re-directed to harm reduction, encouraging users to use in moderation, clean needle programs, fact-based drug education, rehabilitation programs.
You could fund it all with the anti-drug money and the prison money we spend now and you'd have some left over.
You could fund it all with the anti-drug money and the prison money we spend now and you'd have some left over.
incident
Bluelighter
In Amsterdam, theres a clinic called "The Rainbow" (in german) and it provides government regulated heroin to heroin addicts... doing this in the united states would be better for everyone because methadone addiction sucks..
oh and im for legalizing all drugs
oh and im for legalizing all drugs