ageingpartyfiend
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Regulate, educate.
Regulate, educate.
And when we can do that..we can take all the negative effects out of the drug.. and have only the positive..
Chin, after lurking for a lot of years for info only, I've read a lot since joining. Opiates seem to be the most harmful both in terms of ODs, and the rewiring of preservation centers in the brain. Nearly every user past pain relief that I've read about mentions an overdose close call. Yet in the same breath they talk about dancing with it again. Given how the age at which hard drugs statistically come into the picture, the legalization of OPs scare me.i asked a neuroscientist whether this could be done and the answer is no. you would have to prevent all the dysregulation that occurs in response to drug use, which basically means you'd need to stop the brain responding to drugs in order to have no negative effects of drugs. that is not considering the damage to lungs, heart, etc.
if we could upload ourselves to the cloud (which i believe to be theoretically possible but not technically feasible for a long time) we could, i suppose, remove the effects of drugs, but then in that scenario we can basically do anything we want as long as it is computable.
i'd legalise all drugs cos the war on drugs is fucked. legislate the harmful drugs, but not so far as to create the need for a black market again. put the money saved from pointless enforcement of drug laws into recovery programs and creating a better society so drugs are less attractive in the first place.
Chin,@wudbutcher i agree with you about the harms of opioids, but i think that is tangential to the issue of legalisation. because of the way our brains are, opioids will always be needed for some types of pain. so they aren't going away medically, and they aren't going away as a recreational drug to many people, which may or may not tip over into addiction.
what we can get rid of is the damage done by prohibition- my experience of drug dealers is that they are violent, to the point of sadistic, people, who will sacrifice every single moral to money. i mean have you ever met a hard drug dealer who you thought was benefiting society by their actions? do you not think it better, if someone is going to sell these drugs anyway, that someone who doesn't use the threat of, and act of, physical and sexual violence to control the people they do business with, would be better than someone who does?
if heroin was legalised i wouldn't take it as a green light for me to use it cos i hate the way it enslaved me. because fent and analogues are just less attractive, and you would be able to buy what you actually wanted, which for me would always have been decent brown, chances of overdose would decrease.
You just described big Pharma.
The main reason I think that governments won't ever fully legalized any of the big three are the massive amount of expense in treating overdoses. Difficult to put such dangerous things in the hands of lay persons. That's why you can't buy dynamite over here LOL.Ha yes I did!! I forget how different it is in the US due to the fucked for profit health system. over here i do know a couple of people who've fallen foul of opiate scripts for legitimate pain but its nowhere near as prevalent. most hard drug addicts i used with had been through something awful they couldn't live with straight, not without serious treatment.
and yes it would be ace if we can get humane pain management that doesn't risk addiction, i hadn't heard of nerve blockers but sound promising.
i'm always up for a polite discussion! i don't take it personally when people disagree with me and have no time for people who take it personally when i disagree with them. if i mean something personal to them i'll call them a cunt not engage them in a debate about drug policy lol.
The main reason I think that governments won't ever fully legalized any of the big three are the massive amount of expense in treating overdoses. Difficult to put such dangerous things in the hands of lay persons. That's why you can't buy dynamite over here LOL.
Keep in mind though, that usually the first thing to go is the job to buy the drugs. The term drug related crime is too all encompassing. Theft is a crime. I agree about the dealers release though. But due to profit margins, there will always be issues. No easy answeri think the expense of treating ODs pales in the expense of all the thefts, keeping addicts in prison, etc. lay persons have that dangerous shit in their hands, i moved to a new city with no contacts and can score in less than half an hour, its better if that's regulated with a quality guarantee than street gear.