Which drugs would you legalize?
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JessFR
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Lets be real, heroins Been legal before AND that doesn't mean More heroin addicts. But the ppl who need to be on opioid maintenance for life to have an overall better quality of life Would benefit of this.As a heroin addict, I must say I emphatically support this proposal for more heroin.
SunriseChampion
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Where are you getting this idea from?
For example, in Portugal, where they decriminalised drug posession entirely years ago, drug use went down and none of what you're afraid of has materialised.
Xorkoth
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I disagree with this. People who desire to try drugs are going to find a way to try drugs. It's not like if you legalized LSD suddenly everyone would try it... many people have no attraction to that one way or the other. Similarly with the hard drugs. I think there would be a small percentage of people who might try something who wouldn't have before. But the vast majority of people who end in the drug world find their way there anyway, and most people just aren't interested.
As the above poster said, look to Portugal. What you're claiming would happen didn't happen there.
The fact of the matter is, there is tremendous harm done by illegalizing drugs, this is observable, measurable and it can't be refuted.
Just FYI, Portugal decriminalized personal amounts. It's not full-blown where they sell it to you in a store.
Well, even tho I have been a junkie for over 30 years, I still have my qualms about legalizing the hardcore stuff like H and meth. But keeping them ILLEGAL sure doesnt seem to be stopping anyone from using. If someone is going to use, I don't think the law is going to come into play w most people. I know when I started shooting dope, oh so long ago, the LAST THING on my mind was "Oh, but it's illegal tho!".
I have family and friends in Portugal. And since they have decriminalized all drugs, drug related crimes AND crime in general is down quite a bit.
JessFR
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In my experience, in a way you almost forget that it's illegal.
I mean you don't forget that it's socially stigmatized (not with heroin anyway), but it's easy to sort of completely lose any sense that you're doing anything that the law considers wrong.
It kinds feels like... "I'm just buying heroin and shooting myself up, just like most people I know, just like I've done every day for years. How can that be wrong?"
Hahah, yeah I can see that. For me, even the social stigma...I mean, its always in the back of my mind. But I'm a little different than a lot of junkies I guess. I've been a "working junkie" for a long time. It's been over 20 years since I did anything sketchy or criminal in order to buy dope. I don't know anyone else who does dope. I don't have any friends or family members who do it. It's been almost 20 years since I actually fixed w anyone. And all my friends and family know about me. The crazy knuckleheads...they love me anyway. After 30 plus years, I really don't care who knows. (Well, except the police, lol). I have zero qualms about someone knowing I'm a junkie. I'm not proud of it, but I'm not ashamed of it either. It's just a fact.
Right now, I'm on tablet Methadone from a private doctor most of the time, and I still use dope once or twice a month. I titrated down from 120 mgs of Methadone to 50, and havent been able to get any lower. I'm one of those people who will likely be on some sort of opioid for life, and I've accepted it. I've been with a wonderful doctor for 12 years, and he fully knows that keeping me clean MOST of the time is nothing short of miraculous. So when I use occasionally...I mean, he can't come right out and condone it, but he doesn't really sweat it. He rarely even gives me UAs anymore because if I use, I just tell him. So yeah, it's a part of my identity at this point. I'm a wife, mother, fly fisher, gourmet chef, cigar aficionado, junkie. It's just part of the resume at this point. It being illegal rarely enters my mind, unless it's something like not driving as fast as I usually do because I'm on the way home with an 8ball in my bra, lol! And as you probably know, that kind of thing just becomes automatic. It's not a conscious "Oh, I just purchased an illegal drug, I had better be careful of the police!", but more like "Time to drive chill...check".
JessFR
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Sounds like you have an amazingly good doctor.
When I was still using, I was always living with or hanging with other junkies. Shooting up was about as casual as smoking a cigarette.
Its easy to forget for a moment sometimes that you're doing shit that the rest of the society would be pretty disgusted by.
Like you, I suspect there's a good chance I'll be on this for life. I dunno, I'd like to hope that maybe one day I'll get off methadone and become clean from all opioids, but trying to be objective, knowing me, I think there's a good chance I'll be on opioids a loooooooong time, if not for the rest of my life.
When I was still using, I was always living with or hanging with other junkies. Shooting up was about as casual as smoking a cigarette.
Its easy to forget for a moment sometimes that you're doing shit that the rest of the society would be pretty disgusted by.
Like you, I suspect there's a good chance I'll be on this for life. I dunno, I'd like to hope that maybe one day I'll get off methadone and become clean from all opioids, but trying to be objective, knowing me, I think there's a good chance I'll be on opioids a loooooooong time, if not for the rest of my life.
I've come to realize that some ppl Would have their lifes enhanced on DAT or MAT, the only prob with opiates Is supply AND the cost. Also maintainimg the same dose AND not trying to go higher. i think i Would benefit from being on morphine/heroin for the rest of my life, shooting up twice daily. i wouldnt harm anyone, id be overall comtempt. AND it's not like More ppl re gonns use heroin, ik ppl thst dont like opiates AND like stims forexample. Drugs Would lose their appeal a bit aswell because they Would be legal. A Lot of ppl try drugs just cause they are ill egal, they get a thrill from doing something "verboten". Anyway, until thst day arrives fk corona, both the pisstastin beer AND the hivsars like mcfking virus.
Yeah, he's the best doctor on earth. The shit he's been thru just w me! He recently retired from seeing patients, but he's still my "personal" doctor, haha. He's a friend now, he's friends w my husband. I have his cell number and can call or txt whenever I need to. And he's now the Medical Director of the pain clinic I go to, so I basically get to tell the other doctors there that their boss is my friend, haha. They all know I'm an old, hard case that will really struggle if I try going completely off everything. So they leave me alone for the most part. Shit, I was 15 the first time I shot dope, and I'm now 51. I'm pretty much stuck. I do give clean tests when they ask for one, I'm now down to a pretty low dose of Methadone...you know, theyre a pain clinic, so they have enough youngsters trying to get over, faking pain to get meds etc. And they know that's not me so I'm usually an easy patient. They are also good w CBD and MMJ for legit medical purposes so thats cool.
Doc was the Addiction Specialist for the Denver Nuggets NBA team, he speaks in front of the legislature, other docs go to HIM for info and advice , so he's a total baller in the Addiction Medicine world. I got really lucky w him.
Doc said to look at it like being a diabetic; they could try to stop using insulin, but they probably wouldn't be very healthy. Same with long term opioid use. You have a MEDICAL issue now, like a diabetic. And you may not do very well if you try to stop all of it. But you can at least try to get to a lower dose and see how that works for you. It can take YEARS to even do that. It took me over 2 years to go down to 50 mgs from 120. And I don't care what "normal" society thinks about it, I gotta do what works for me, and so do you.
Yeah, I got over the "outlaw" part of it long ago, but I can still remember when that may have been at least a little of the attraction. Like Oooh, Im doing something forbidden.
I could def be content with a couple decent shots a day. And fortunately where I am it's pretty cheap and widely available. I could spend $130 for a Ball and be set for the better part of a week, as long as I'm not a pig about it!
Piss tastin Corona...
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I would legalize All Drugs. Prohibition was one of worst ideas of twentieth century.
Prohibition is good only for drug lords and police. Knowledge over prohibition. People should get information and enlightenment. That's all what is needed, plus care of course. Some people would always have problems, but it's no reason for prohibition, rather vice versa.
Prohibition is good only for drug lords and police. Knowledge over prohibition. People should get information and enlightenment. That's all what is needed, plus care of course. Some people would always have problems, but it's no reason for prohibition, rather vice versa.
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Working_Class
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Man, I've been dreaming of just heading to a pharmacy and getting a few oxy 10's and just popping a few and foam rolling my aching body for an afternoon.
My hedonism aside, historically, It's well recorded that prohibition creates a very dangerous situation where good quality drugs become scarce, I mean look at the fentanyl epidemic, this has to be the #1 example I can think of. If you COULD just go buy morphine or oxy, you'd know your dose... so (hopefully) you wouldn't comatose XD...
My hedonism aside, historically, It's well recorded that prohibition creates a very dangerous situation where good quality drugs become scarce, I mean look at the fentanyl epidemic, this has to be the #1 example I can think of. If you COULD just go buy morphine or oxy, you'd know your dose... so (hopefully) you wouldn't comatose XD...
Xorkoth
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I think decriminalizing all drugs for personal use would be a fantastic start. And regarding full legalization a la the recreational marijuana states, I can understand peoples' fear that if you could just go buy heroin at the store, more people might do it. And it might be that more people would to some extent. But simply decriminalizing possession and not distribution keeps the aspect of drugs that causes the absolute most harm intact, and that is putting drug distribution into the hands of criminal enterprises. The terror and death and pain caused by cartels is beyond belief. Furthermore, black market drugs are dangerous to the end user because of not knowing the purity or even indeed what you're taking (see: fentanyl in heroin). Being able to have it produced and sold legally and to enforced quality standards would eliminate all of those harms/risks. Instead of costing millions of lives and uncountable taxpayer dollars to fight against criminal drug enterprises, we could be collecting tax revenue and eliminating the very need for these criminal enterprises. Would more people use drugs? Maybe. But maybe it wouldn't be that significant, after all heroin, morphine and cocaine used to be legal and sold in over the counter "tonic" mixtures, and society didn't fall apart.
It's a question of how to minimize harm. You might argue, by guessing (since we don't know since it hasn't happened), that drug use/abuse would increase. But we KNOW that a huge amount of societal damage, violence, crime and accidental overdoses would be eliminated if we fully legalized. I would be strongly against advertising drugs (we shouldn't advertise alcohol either, or tobacco). I would be for a legal age, and I would be against selling them other than in designated dispensaries, so they're not in front of everyone's faces all the time. And any other reasonable precautions/regulations.
Ultimately, here on a board full of drug users, most of whom are abusers and much more fixated on drugs than the average person, we tend to forget that most people who get exposed to and try drugs don't become drug addicts. In fact the vast majority.
It's a question of how to minimize harm. You might argue, by guessing (since we don't know since it hasn't happened), that drug use/abuse would increase. But we KNOW that a huge amount of societal damage, violence, crime and accidental overdoses would be eliminated if we fully legalized. I would be strongly against advertising drugs (we shouldn't advertise alcohol either, or tobacco). I would be for a legal age, and I would be against selling them other than in designated dispensaries, so they're not in front of everyone's faces all the time. And any other reasonable precautions/regulations.
Ultimately, here on a board full of drug users, most of whom are abusers and much more fixated on drugs than the average person, we tend to forget that most people who get exposed to and try drugs don't become drug addicts. In fact the vast majority.
I agree Xorkoth, total personal legalization would be the way to go. The war on drugs has been lost long ago, it not a war any country can or should win. All the money that is spent on maintaining the Law Enforcement of this war could be much better spent on mitigating the effects of use. People are going to abuse drugs with or without the war. Hard hit addicts should be helped, not tossed to the curbside or imprisoned.
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Exactly. We only have to look back a century or so ago when you could buy heroin and cocaine in various formulations from any chemist shop. Fortnum and Mason used to sell care packages consisting of heroin, cocaine and a syringe to send to British Tommies in the first world war trenches. Society didn't fall apart then...