When Snorting Heroin is No Longer Practical

[LivingOnValium]

Where i'm from allmost all the heroin is brown heroin base, which is readily smokable. It needs acidification to get into a solution. Usually people start with smoking and move into IVing it.

IV users almost always use citric acid to prep a shot. If its not available vinegar works fine as well.

There's rarely Heroin HCl (off white/slightly tanned) to be purchased and i've seen people snort that but never the brown stuff.

 

[nukka]

^ Makes me wonder why anyone snorts or smokes any drug in the first place. Maybe they start snorting because it's socially acceptable?

And what does that say about a person ;/

I snort cause I know the needle will make me its bitch and I cannot go down that road at this point in my life or ever hopefully.

Btw, I wouldn't say that in general that there is anything socially acceptable about snorting coke or heroin per se. Maybe its more acceptable than IV but still, most people wouldn't give a shit what the difference is, we're all horrible druggies in their eyes.

 

[Khadijah]

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I'd say dosing only once per day every day for a week with a considerably smaller dose, say, 100 mg, is better than those listed possibilities.

This shows that you aint really been paying attention to this thread, becuz 100mg is about one bag. He said he needs 5-6 bags to get high. The teacher should smack you with a ruler for that one. the goal in here is to help him realistically not make up some fairytale shit, gettin the tolerance that low would take quitting for a long ass time.

 

[phr]

How do you figure? In the safety of your own place with clean works and proper procedure any 'risks' are reduced to the point of nil, just the ever present OD. And ODing can be greatly minimized by shooting less not more. You can always do more but not so the other way around. 4 cents. Sorry, I'm and replying as I go along.

That's not true. Besides the risk involved with IV'ing(and there are plenty), you're still putting an illicit substance in your body. How many heroin iv users can claim that they know exactly what's in their dope?

I wasn't really referring to dosing within the same day. I meant, do you think it is a better idea to, for example:

-Use H one day a week, on that day you consume a gram

-Use H three times a week, on each of those days you consume 600 mgs (that number is just arbitrary, but I think you can see that I am getting at)

If you plan on using once a week, you won't have a tolerance. If your once a week dose is 1gram, then either you're getting really stepped on dope, or you're going to wd afterwards. 1gm is a lot of dope, and it would kill someone who isn't dependent. Dependence implies withdrawal, if dosing is stopped abruptly.

It sounds like you're planning on becoming a chipper. IMO, to do this successfully, you first have to detox. A successful chipper shouldn't be using more than two bags of average quality dope per session. (Again, that's just my opinion)

 

[TheodoreRoosevelt]

I snort cause I know the needle will make me its bitch and I cannot go down that road at this point in my life or ever hopefully.

I'd argue you shouldn't be using drugs in the first place. If you don't trust yourself with IVing said substance, I don't think snorting would realistically and honestly be an option you can be safe with. I think it's naive and wishful thinking.

Btw, I wouldn't say that in general that there is anything socially acceptable about snorting coke or heroin per se. Maybe its more acceptable than IV but still, most people wouldn't give a shit what the difference is, we're all horrible druggies in their eyes.

ALOT more than injecting the drugs. You say you snorted heroin back in the day, not a big deal. You say you slammed once 20 years ago, sounds like your a total piece of shit. Even druggie circles look down on IV users and not on snorters/smokes - there's even cliches of heroin users who snort and then look down on IV heroin users.

There's a terrible stigma attached to IV use and it seems to me that a lot of people smoke/snort simply to avoid this stigma, to avoid that being that kind of scum or some sort of thing. I think it's terrible, I think people who snort aren't any better than those who IV, and I think it all comes down to how you handle the habit than what your habit actually is.

This shows that you aint really been paying attention to this thread, becuz 100mg is about one bag. He said he needs 5-6 bags to get high. The teacher should smack you with a ruler for that one. the goal in here is to help him realistically not make up some fairytale shit, gettin the tolerance that low would take quitting for a long ass time.

His whole thread is fucking fairytale shit with a bunch of goofy hypotheticals, what the fuck you ragging on me for. I told him the point that dosing in larger doses less frequently is better, he's the one that started bringing arbitrary numbers and strange specifics into the equation. Whatever, my number was just as arbitrary as his, if you want me to edit my thread to say 300mg instead I can do that. Point is the same.

To the OP, Phrozen's above post is a good one. As a binge-chipper myself, I'd say his post is money.

 

[nukka]

I'd argue you shouldn't be using drugs in the first place. If you don't trust yourself with IVing said substance, I don't think snorting would realistically and honestly be an option you can be safe with. I think it's naive and wishful thinking.

I don't really appreciate someone calling me naive and trying to analyze my drug habits, use, and preferences over the internet based on a couple sentences that I wrote but thanks anyway. I know myself better than you, trust that.

I shouldn't be using DRUGS at all because I'm weary of the addiction potential of IV heroin? Aight...

 

['medicine cabinet']

this thread sucks

 

[TheodoreRoosevelt]

I don't really appreciate someone calling me naive and trying to analyze my drug habits, use, and preferences over the internet based on a couple sentences that I wrote but thanks anyway. I know myself better than you, trust that.

I shouldn't be using DRUGS at all because I'm weary of the addiction potential of IV heroin? Aight...

Perhaps "said drug" would be more accurate than just drugs in general.

No, you know yourself better than anyone, including me. And I don't exactly have much credit to analyze your habit or anything about you. But in my opinion, a person who says they refuse to IV but sticks to snorting/smoking because they say they are afraid to get addicted and know that they would if they ever IV'd, is just kidding themselves.

If you know you couldn't handle IV heroin, why would you even get near the substance... It just sounds somewhat naive to think that, knowing that IV heroin will lead you to a dark path, that you can snort heroin with no problems at all. Just seems to me your kidding yourself and just asking to get in trouble. You're playing with fire.

Of course, maybe you could handle IV heroin. But if I thought I didn't have the self-control for IV heroin, then I wouldn't ever get near it, snorted or otherwise.

Don't mean to sound like an ass or too judgemental but that's just what I think. Can't really sugarcoat it and no doubt it's offensive.

 

[phr]

this thread sucks

I disagree. I think this thread can be helpful to a lot of people. A lot of heroin snorters come to this crossroad.

In the NE US, the majority of the current heroin users snort their drug. There are also a lot of new heroin users thanks to the whole OxyContin thing.

 

[GlassAss420]

If your one large dose dosen't kill you its better for your pocket. My friend had a saying he said he heard at the needle exchange "Meet or exceed the previous dose" meaning if you do say 2 bags, next time you need to do at least 2, probobly more to feel anything. I've noticed this to be true. Especially when you cross the line into IV'ing it.

So yeah its better to do a lot of heroin less often, you'll have a lower tolerence and you'll get higher. If you have say 6 bags you'd be better off doing 2 every day for 3 days than shooting a bag at a time steadily over the course of one day.

As far as people OD'ing of snorting, its possible if you have a low tolerence and get some fire heroin, but if you do it regulary and have consistent shit I don't think its likely, since the H comes on over the course of like 10-30 min instead of 10-30 seconds. Snorting H feels like its instant but once you IV it and try to snort one it really does take awhile to come on. So if you get fire shit you tend to realize it before you do too much, whereas with shooting you don't know how it is till you already go it in you and if you do too much theres no stopping it. But it can still happen with snorting just not common.

 

[phr]

As far as people OD'ing of snorting, its possible if you have a low tolerence and get some fire heroin, but if you do it regulary and have consistent shit I don't think its likely, since the H comes on over the course of like 10-30 min instead of 10-30 seconds. Snorting H feels like its instant but once you IV it and try to snort one it really does take awhile to come on. So if you get fire shit you tend to realize it before you do too much, whereas with shooting you don't know how it is till you already go it in you and if you do too much theres no stopping it. But it can still happen with snorting just not common.

You're right, you could OD with any moa. As far as a snorting OD, it's more likely to happen if you don't have a tolerance, do a shitload at a time, or are mixing depressants. I've OD'ed snorting "fentdope." It happened when I snorted a bit to test purity before I iv. Good thing I did that...

 

[SonOF]

His whole thread is fucking fairytale shit with a bunch of goofy hypotheticals, what the fuck you ragging on me for. I told him the point that dosing in larger doses less frequently is better, he's the one that started bringing arbitrary numbers and strange specifics into the equation. Whatever, my number was just as arbitrary as his, if you want me to edit my thread to say 300mg instead I can do that. Point is the same.

To the OP, Phrozen's above post is a good one. As a binge-chipper myself, I'd say his post is money.

You call yourself a "binge-chipper" which is essentially what I want to be (when I said sniffing a bundle in a day, once a week, rather than sniffing three-four bags on a more consistent basis), yet you call the thread "fairytale shit" with a bunch of "goofy hypotheticals." There is nothing hypothetical about it. I asked, when I procure a bundle, it is better to do it all in one day, or spread the use of that bundle among 3 days? That's pretty goddamn specific and literal.

Are Phrozen and Lacey the only ones that get it? Jesus. Those of you out there who haven't read the majority of the thread, don't feel the need to throw in your unqualified two cents. I am not a child. I am not uninformed. Please do not belittle me.

Phrozen, I understand that 1 gram is a large amount for a day (couple of doses), even if only using once per week. I'd like that to decrease to perhaps .5 gram, once a week.

Here's the rub. I buy in bundles (10 bags; supposedly 1 gram); 1 bundle being the minimum. The reason I said "do the whole thing in one day" is so I don't have bags laying around, which I would consume the next day, and start the cycle of consistent use. I guess I have to try to split a bundle with someone from the get go. Because my stuff isn't that shitty...I get pretty high on about 3 bags. 1 gram = staying quite high for a decent amount of hours.

 

[SonOF]

As far as people OD'ing of snorting, its possible if you have a low tolerence and get some fire heroin, but if you do it regulary and have consistent shit I don't think its likely, since the H comes on over the course of like 10-30 min instead of 10-30 seconds. Snorting H feels like its instant but once you IV it and try to snort one it really does take awhile to come on. So if you get fire shit you tend to realize it before you do too much, whereas with shooting you don't know how it is till you already go it in you and if you do too much theres no stopping it. But it can still happen with snorting just not common.

That was pretty much my understanding too. Thanks.

 

[SonOF]

If you know you couldn't handle IV heroin, why would you even get near the substance... It just sounds somewhat naive to think that, knowing that IV heroin will lead you to a dark path, that you can snort heroin with no problems at all. Just seems to me your kidding yourself and just asking to get in trouble. You're playing with fire.

This makes no sense. I know snorting heroin is dangerous, yet I feel that the reward outweighs the risk. I believe that habitually shooting heroin is more dangerous, and the risk is too great for me to even see what the reward is. I KNOW snorting heroin can cause problems as well (maybe that's why I started the damn thread), and I'm pretty sure nukka does too.

With your logic, people shouldn't "go near" powder cocaine unless they "can handle" crack. 8)

 

[SonOF]

this thread sucks

this comment sucks.

 

[TheodoreRoosevelt]

You call yourself a "binge-chipper" which is essentially what I want to be (when I said sniffing a bundle in a day, once a week, rather than sniffing three-four bags on a more consistent basis), yet you call the thread "fairytale shit" with a bunch of "goofy hypotheticals." There is nothing hypothetical about it. I asked, when I procure a bundle, it is better to do it all in one day, or spread the use of that bundle among 3 days? That's pretty goddamn specific and literal.

My pattern of use is basically use every day, once a day, via IV, for a period of 3-5 weeks, and then abstain from use for a period of longer than 2 weeks (anywhere from 2 weeks to 2 months, but usually about 5 weeks). I have bad insomnia and RLS, so I think that is why I don't get noticeable withdrawals, and I don't dose to get super fucked up so tolerance isn't an issue either.

What I said was goofy was your hypotheticals you kept posing, of which would be better for avoiding addiction. I told you, the less frequently you use the better off you are in this regard, and I think posting 4 different situations for comparison is kinda goofy.

If you procure a bundle, the usage that gives you the longest time clean is the better one. All in one day may be better because it prevents your body from getting used to it, which 3 days of smaller doses would.

With your logic, people shouldn't "go near" powder cocaine unless they "can handle" crack.

Correct. I don't see what you find so outrageous about this comment or logic.

Overdoses generally come from getting tolerances. When you get dope that's three times as strong as normal, when you're only doing half a bag that's still not a big difference - although relatively it is, absolutely it's not. So when you do 2 grams, and the dose is twice as strong, so it ends up being like 4 grams, you get really fucked over. Since tolerance generally gets higher, faster, via IV, that's why more overdoses that way. No one really lets their tolerance get to 4 grams and still continues to snort.

 

[SonOF]

Correct. I don't see what you find so outrageous about this comment or logic.

I don't know what the numbers are, but such a large number of people that use powder cocaine never "move up" to crack...and the same is true with sniffing heroin ----> IV (although I'm sure that happens more often). So if it is VERY POSSIBLE not to move up to that next form of that drug or moa, why would one have to be able to handle that "next level?"

 

[phr]

Here's the rub. I buy in bundles (10 bags; supposedly 1 gram); 1 bundle being the minimum. The reason I said "do the whole thing in one day" is so I don't have bags laying around, which I would consume the next day, and start the cycle of consistent use. I guess I have to try to split a bundle with someone from the get go. Because my stuff isn't that shitty...I get pretty high on about 3 bags. 1 gram = staying quite high for a decent amount of hours.

I see what you're saying. It can be tough to save it. You could get your SO or a friend to hold on to it and only give you a specific dose at a specific time.

But being able to save it is a good quality...

Good luck.

 

[TheodoreRoosevelt]

Many people aren't really able to handle snorting powder or smoking rock though.

I mean whatever man. But if I was able to say for certain of myself that I couldn't handle the 'next level', then I would seriously reconsider using that drug on any level at all.

 

[SonOF]

If you procure a bundle, the usage that gives you the longest time clean is the better one. All in one day may be better because it prevents your body from getting used to it, which 3 days of smaller doses would.

That's pretty much what I was looking for. You understood me after all.

After reading your definition of a binge chipper, that isn't what I want to become. I don't like the idea of using every day. I don't think that would work for me and my moa. I don't think I could handle the peaks and valleys of such use. If you can, more power to you.