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Dude madness I’m sorry but come on... It’s quite obvious he’s been playing people for awhile now. Everything is too convenient and now if I don’t stop asking questions he’s gonna kill himself and “give us nothing..”. (What is there left to give btw, you supposedly lost it all..)

Any time he’s questioned he gets defensive, that isn’t research or science. We aren’t supposed to just accept everything he says just cuz he screams in all caps and when things get rough he threatens to kill him self.

Either way I second you going to mental health and leaving this thread and it’s people alone. This is ridiculous..

I will apologize for my private message to him, if on the very off chance all this is actually real, I’m sorry. That said I will reiterate, don’t give that man anymore money!!! BL or Erowid deserve it a lot more.

-GC
 
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All of these developments are very unfortunate, as I really value the overall positive and supportive vibes that have been established in this thread.

To Vash, or anyone else who genuinely feels suicidal, please seek help. Head over to the mental health forum, don't take MDMA (that is likely to make it worse), and take care of yourself. Today is temporary.

However, this is no place for yelling (typing in all caps), and making threats. There have been many valuable contributions to this thread over the years. People have paid for testing at local facilities in Europe, overseas facilities etc. It is all appreciated. This is not the place to shut down questions, theories, or ideas, but to keep pushing and asking questions until we find some results and information that is consistent.
 
Well that escalated quickly.

Suicidal ideation is a bitch I have experience with....luckily, I've given up on that particular idea.

Anyway.....I finally got my hands on some MDMA and it's not even the same batch that I've been waiting two months for (which I still hope to acquire shortly). The source I got it from provided some dodgy MMS of "test results" indicating the active ingredients as being 99% MDMA and 0.9% MDEA but I trust their dodgy message that was mostly redacted (lols, why?) about as much as I trust Google and will be sending the sample for testing at a local psychiatric hospital as well as running my own reagent tests and bioassay.

I haven't yet used the drug testing service we have available publicly here in Toronto through some public health clinics that sends samples for testing at the Centre For Addiction and Mental Health or St Mike's Hospital, so I'm not sure how they present their test results...especially seeing as the local public health clinic is the intermediary.

As with everything I do in my life, this is a procrastinated project so give me some weeks. :p
 
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Shit, this thread really took a wrong turn. Maybe people trying too many batches too often rendered some a bit unstable from serotonin depletion. It's time for some rest and 5-htp. Everything will be fine. Peace.
 
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I'M this close to killing myself. Mental health support forums are useless and i'm on so many on reddit. Even my own insurance doesn't wanna deal with me because i'm so crazy . I have no friends and this project is really my own outlet but whatever seems like people don't want NMR or are happy for what I have provided.

You guy's can deal with this on your own.

Maybe i'll return maybe I wont but whatever. Goodluck and i'm not trolling
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Look, my friend. Im 100% certain, not a single soul or member here wishes you any harm or malice. Friction builds in heated debate.

I too have severe mental health issues. Long term severe clinical depression, largely chemical and biological in nature, the most extreme anxiety disorder- it genuinely threatens my life because I am dangerously underweight due to severe allergies and multiple chronic infections and so many other extremely unusual complications which make eating normally and sufficiently impossible for me.

I endure great levels of pain and suffering on a daily basis often to the point where reality is unbearable in terms of keeping that Focus and fighting through.

So I genuinely empathize with you feeling distraught and hopeless and down with a lack of support I also have been trying to get some support and the mainstream allopathic mental health system and establishment is pathetically dire when it comes to actually providing any sort of useful and beneficial support and certainly within a reasonable timeframe I mean I've been on a waiting list for some basic cognitive behavioral therapy for a year now and when I get there they will be squeezing me in and out the door in a fixed number of sessions and I'm really not even decided yet whether to even mention my drug use which is a huge massive part of everything going on in my life and without discussing any aspects of my drug usage the therapy could be potentially useless but at the same time I do not want to risk my doctor knowing I am taking drugs recreationally to treat my anxiety and depression because when it comes to my sickness benefits battles I need to his full support and I do not need the system refusing me acknowledgement of my genuine debilitated condition which is not caused by my drug taking.

So I know what it is like to be between a rock and an extremely hard place and I literally feel crazy out of my head at times admittedly because I've been taking so much acid in combination with other substances while suffering to a very high degree with at times life-threatening physical ailments.

I live with my mum who is 70 years old and we have no other family who are nearby or give a toss and my mum has done everything for me her whole life this is why I could not possibly consider suicide and I fight my hardest to recover my health so that I can look after my mum and give her the best life possible as we both age together and she needs me more in time.

Anyway I just want to say @vash445 please just try to be a bit more tolerant, calmer, politer, more respectful, and just nicer when posting. If you could do this you would see a completely different reaction from the other members and nobody would be reproaching you even if they still doubted and questioned anything you might have to say.

I understand that you are suffering mentally and very easily frustrated and probably quite alienated in life in some ways but you have been coming across in a very caustic and confrontational tone and manner.

That is why we have this situation where you feel as though you have been unfairly interpreted and persecuted. It's simply a matter of respect and I'm sure that the other members feel that you have shown some disrespect by being unnecessarily aggressive and angry in some of your posts and expressions.

I genuinely only wish you the best my friend and all the happiness that can possibly be achieved with time and healing and positive thought don't give up. The future is never written well maybe it is but we won't get into that now lol!

Stay strong, but please realise- this forum is made up of very good and caring genuine and open minded people who are extremely accepting and non-judgmental and they expect to be treated and addressed in the same manner which you perhaps have not managed to do so as a result of your mental turmoil and losing your calm and perhaps not seeing things clearly we don't see things clearly generally as mortals especially when we are distressed and out of balance and there is no shame in that.
 
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All of these developments are very unfortunate, as I really value the overall positive and supportive vibes that have been established in this thread.
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Hey girl. Don't worry. There are plenty of really good minded and spirited people here as members, who are mature and wise enough to rise above everything without feeling offended, and effortlessly and naturally maintain harmony here.

That is actually one of the things I really have loved about this forum since joining. We are high right? (I don't mean high on drugs though I'm not disputing that haha, certainly in my own case anyway I Confess haha!)

But you know what I mean. And I am glad this thought has come up because I was thinking just recently on this and how one of the most profound benefits quality original MDMA had on my personality when I used to take it and before I lost my health and sanity in 2005, I was such a high being purely and steadily set in myself nobody could annoy me or irritate me or upset me and nobody wanted to it was quite the opposite I had an amazing gift for for diffusing any situation and literally helping people to change and feel completely different and let go of so much, without feeling the need for barriers.

I used to do this naturally as a highly spiritual and gifted individual in particular I was born with the most incredible sense of humour when I was healthy at least I was a pure joker 24/7 but in the most original and natural manner with pure love and well meaning behind it at all times.

But the MDMA particularly helped me me to really keep focus of this Higher stance and to live in my own reality so purely. I was literally untouchable or irrepressible in a very positive sense not aloof or cut off or superior or anything like that far from it extremely humble but just perfectly open, accepting of myself and others and everything around me.

It's difficult to find words and phrases to express what I'm trying to get at here but I genuinely was thinking how the MDMA affected my personality and vision of life so positively and profoundly in this sense and this is a big and main reason why I have appeared so accepting and dismissive of the undoubted physical abuse my brain has suffered from massive overuse of ecstasy pills.

Damage, yes. Alteration, yes as well. An argument could be made for this. With a glass half full of course. 🥃😉

So it's strange because at my point in life for many years now I genuinely don't think I regret the damage I inflicted upon my mental faculties and personality and potential, because I am on a very unique and deep and rewarding spiritual path in life and I'm very happy with the person that I am with lots of work to do on myself still of course that never stops.

Shining a light into those dark corners and cobwebs is not easy and can take us decades or our whole lives. But I believe this is a huge part of why we are here and incarnated in this particular life and existence with these exact lessons and angles we need most.

But that is another subject.

I'm really sorry folks I've gone way off track I've been taking lots and lots of acid and really benefiting from it at times of extreme difficulty and ill health and stress.
Loads of kava as well.

I would really love to be taking some MDMA and sharing my experiences with you all I just don't think it will be safe for me to take my 220mg Dutch Bowser pills.
 
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I'm going to assume that the mdma in that wine bottle was being smuggled and some how by mistake made it on the shelves along with the legit bottles.
 
This is probably the best thread (in my opinion) that ive been following on Bluelight for a long time.
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I'm the polar opposite, this whole thread is a waste of time.

I'm going to put my cards on the table here... I don't believe any of this impurity foofarah. What's next, the synthesis came out wrong because Mercury was retrograde in Scorpio, with the moon ascendant? You did a prayer fast and St. Barbara told you that your MDMA was cursed, in a divine vision? Maybe the cook had too many thetans.

I've worked with GCMS and NMR, I greatly prefer GCMS - it has given me more useful analytical data per test than any NMR can. Just the fact you actually seperate the compounds from each other means you don't have to do stupid shit like look at the miniscule NMR peaks in the 0.01% impurity that may as well be buried in noise or unresolvable from the baseline. I'm pretty sure that most if not all analytical labs for forensics, doping and other chemometric studies on human fluids are conducted with GC or LC-MS before NMR ever gets used.

As for the idea that changing your heating mantle or flask will drastically alter the result of your synthesis - someone should have told the molecules that when I worked, because as far as I could see, any properly cleaned flask worked as well as any other. You do realize that if the flask/mantle were so important, recipes would specify which particular models were used, and scale-up or repeatability of reactions would be impossible. Organic Syntheses, the journal, would be nonexistent - the entire purpose of their publications is they are verified independently by a seperate team, at a seperate laboratory, with different sources for starting matrerials, with different equipment, sometimes on a different scale - and yet somehow the reactions work the same, every time.

It's like saying someone baking a Betty Crocker chocolate cake will suddenly find raisins in the batter if they use the wrong brand of oven. It makes no fucking sense.

Someone PM me when this thread actually goes somewhere aside from drama and backseat chemists who have never touched a round bottom in their lives. (pun intended)
 
That was a good one, @sekio ....almost as good as some nice and proppa MDMA.....and how the hell did you know I pray to St Barbara? ;)

Thanks for keeping it real, mate.
 
sekio said:
I'm the polar opposite, this whole thread is a waste of time.

I'm going to put my cards on the table here... I don't believe any of this impurity foofarah. What's next, the synthesis came out wrong because Mercury was retrograde in Scorpio, with the moon ascendant? You did a prayer fast and St. Barbara told you that your MDMA was cursed, in a divine vision? Maybe the cook had too many thetans.
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I wish I could be as confidently ignorant of this issue as you are, sekio.

I don't expect you to change your mind until you experience it. At which point, I will feel sorry that you, too, have been affected.
 
Im still doubtful about this meh stuff considering every single person in this country who has money can all buy ounces of amazing magic mdma for cheap and we are a fucking island at the end of the world.

Never came across it in my life always been good of course some batches differ in strength and sometimes have mda together but all same magic in the end. All this stuff is from holland and i never had issues with their mass production. What i do avoid is fucking black rocks of mdma i see people buying the most fucking tainted looking mdma and then complain about meh well thats whats going to happen if what you are eating is 90% solvent and 10% mdma .
 
When the same people are experiencing the same dismal effect from a drug; from numerous batches, for years, it is obvious what the issue is.

It's not that there is a problem with the MDMA or the labs testing it, or a conspiracy, or a microgram impurity or the composition of the capsules is causing a reaction, or any of these highly improbable external factors.

It's not the MDMA. It is the response that you are getting to MDMA. There could be a million reasons for that, every one of them more likely than a common chemical flaw which has gone unnoticed by every forensic lab, testing facility and researcher outside of the posters in this thread who have convinced themselves that there is a chemical issue with the MDMA (certainly not a neurological, physiological, psychological, dietary, metabolic or chemical issue with them), despite having no evidence to back that up.

If you are going to continue claiming there is a product being sold as MDMA, which tests as MDMA, but isn't MDMA, you need to provide chemical evidence. If this is so common, there is no reason that hasn't been provided already.
 
This issue was recently discussed on another site and the person who started that thread claimed to have been making it and knew other people making it and was also getting this meh stuff from other producers.anyway after a few pages this person performed a purification process called column chromatography on the meh stuff and lo and behold the now purified stuff was no longer meh but was now magic.not sure what kind of ratio of meh to magic there was so don't ask.mass production of mdma has always(mostly) been via the leuckart method with precursors already made by chemical companies who will analyze what they've synthesized before sending it off to be made into mdma so unless some mass production crews are trying new methods and not purifying there starting or end product theres only one thing i can think of is that it could be an isomer of mdma such as the nitrogen being at the 1 or 3 position instead of the 2 position.doesnt really seem to be other possibilities.
I'm wondering if it's the commercial mdp2p rearranging into the more stable mdp1p as it apparently does if not stored in the cold or kept too long.using this in a leuckart/mercury aluminium amalgam rxn would yeild
the mdpropyl1methylamine instead of mdpropyl2methylamine compound.im not sure if this can fool a GC/ms analysis or it's operator.it would explain why its still active albeit not very good (it's got an entry in pihkal doesn't it) and why it looks the same as mdma on gc/ms as it's all the same groups but someone who understands GC/ms stuff will have to answer that one.point being it's either a problem with old ketone or lack of purification at the end but no one ever until now has had to resort to column chromatography for purifying there mdma just to make it active.
 
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Another possibility is that the bromosafrole method was used and the hbr acid they used contained a lot of free bromine and that caused a significant amount of the md3bromo compound to be made along with the md2bromo compound which when aminated would lead to the nitrogen attaching in the 3position instead of the 2 position.but the chance of this low yeilding method with this specific mistake being used on a big enough scale for all these different ppl to be getting the meh stuff with this being the cause are probably very low but its possible.
Is this meh stuff just a u.s. problem or is it worldwide? Is this a problem with Australian mdma as well? How long has it been going on? R ppl in Europe also getting this?
 
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