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indigoaura said:
So, tonight I saw some product that was unusual. @babooon87 commented on product that has a magnetic sand quality. The product I currently have has that texture, but in color it is still translucent/white. Tonight I saw something that had that same magnetic/sand texture, but it was dark brown/black. Never seen product that dark before. When I opened the bag to smell the product, it REEKED. This was definitely the same smell that I am familiar with from long ago. However, despite the familiar smell, the color of the product made me a bit concerned.

Actually, it looked a lot like the product that this poster shared in the first post: https://www.bluelight.org/xf/threads/is-this-too-much.881401/

My connection said it was very strong, actually "too strong" with a hard comedown the next day. He described crazy eye jitters. I've known this person a long time, and trust the feedback.

Based on everything we have talked about here, seems like any product that is dark brown/black has got to be impure. At the very least, it has not been washed or re-crystallized. Are there any specific synth methods that would cause the product to be so dark? The smell and the reports from my acquaintance made me curious, however. Think it is worth it to pick some up and send off to a lab? Seems ill advised to consume it without more info.

Also, this made me wonder, does anyone know what Leuckart MDMA would have looked like? Would that method have produced different colored product, or a product with a specific appearance?
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I would not be that concerned by a very dark color. I once got crystals that were black and looked like pieces of coal. I was very skeptical but it ended being pretty good. It was the best MDMA I got since 2009 before I got last week's bomb. The black stuff seemed like pretty legit magicDMA but full of synthesis impurities and had to be dosed a bit higher (around 200 mg for a good strong roll). Have you tried washing the dark stuff with anhydrous acetone ? It would probably clear up a lot after that.

Edit : just say you tested a batch on new years eve. Was it the dark magnet stuff ?

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@babooon87 If you don't mind me asking, where are you located? What country/state? Did you do any reagent testing on this product?
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I am located in Québec, Canada. I have not used reagents in a few years as I almost exlusively take RC drugs from legal vendors which have always been legit. The only street drug I still take is methamphetamine and I do not need reagents to know if it is legit as I have been using it for more than a decade and know what to look for. As for MDMA it is not a drug I take very often these days ( in fact this thread is what peaked my curiosity to take it again, just for science you know...) and from what I read MehDMA fools them mostly so no I do not have reagents at the moment.

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new floods of high dose pills hit here for summer 300 mg mdma + alot of caffeine. Hard to resist once mdma is around i crave it hard but i hate caffeine in pills.
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I second that ! I also despise caffeine as a cut in any drug. It feels so dirty I would much prefer they put an inactive cut. They always put it in meth pills around here and it pissed me off. It adds absolutely nothing positive to the buzz, only more side effects.
 
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@babooon87
The stuff I took last night was not the dark sassy stuff that I just got, but it did have that magnetized texture. However, not a dark magnet, this stuff was clear white tiny crystals. Looked like white sand, or table salt. It was advertised as having been synthesized according to the Shulgin Pikhal method, then washed and re-crystallized through vacuum distillation. I sent it to International Energy Control and they claimed it was 80% MDMA.

I wanted to add as well, that although the NYE product was a good, clean experience, it did not feel like my early 00s ecstasy. I am wondering more and more if what I had during that era was leuckart synthed MDMA.
 
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@babooon87
The stuff I took last night was not the dark sassy stuff that I just got, but it did have that magnetized texture. However, not a dark magnet, this stuff was clear white tiny crystals. Looked like white sand, or table salt. It was advertised as having been synthesized according to the Shulgin Pikhal method, then washed and re-crystallized through vacuum distillation. I sent it to International Energy Control and they claimed it was 80% MDMA.

I wanted to add as well, that although the NYE product was a good, clean experience, it did not feel like my early 00s ecstasy. I am wondering more and more if what I had during that era was leuckart synthed MDMA.
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Possibly, in fact I doubt people were reagent testing in those years so it could have been cut with something else also. I know when I started taking MDMA in the 2000's, before reagent tests were widespread, almost all the E's were cut with a bit of speed and were more hyper/stimulating. I was surprised years later when I tried pure mdma how I was floored in comparison and was very content just laying on a couch.
 
@babooon87 I was actually part of the Dancesafe crew, and I tested all my products with reagent in the 00s. I also sent pills in to ecstasydata frequently. So, in my particular case, I know that the pills I was eating were MDMA as identified by ecstasy data. Some of my pills were MDA, and I could always tell which pills were MDA due to the effects. I can think of 1 or 2 times that there was a mix of black and orange on the marquis test, and I knew that the pills had a bit of speed in them. Those experiences were always notable because I could not sleep. But overall, my pills were not cut. I could link you the lab results on pills I personally sent in. So, although there were a lot of questionable pills going around at that time, that is not the explanation for what I experienced. I was consuming pills that were tested as MDMA, that felt completely different than the MDMA powder/crystal/molly I have had in later years.

I don't know if you were on this thread when I explained my history, but I had one supplier from 2000-2005, then he retired. I experienced one thing from 2000-2005, and then never experienced it again. My supplier's retirement correlated with a major bust in the area that shut down several trafficking rings. He always said it was coming in through "the Asian mafia" (whatever that means). When this bust went down, several local nightclubs and restaurants were closed in association with it. They were packing the ecstasy into the city inside of fish. It would be delivered to the restaurants, and then funneled to the night clubs.

My only point in sharing this is that whoever my supplier was working with was bringing in some specific kind of product, because it was very consistent. I never had to worry with this guy, and he would let me test up front and pick whichever pills produced the result I liked the most.
 
One person died in NZ from laced mdma today and a bunch of others almost did in the same house it put them to sleep nearly instantly and survivors were awoken by police taken to hopistal. This is sadly the outcome for when people refuse to test their drugs. Will be interesting to see what the substance since it just put them straight to sleep and almost killed them.
 
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@babooon87 I was actually part of the Dancesafe crew, and I tested all my products with reagent in the 00s. I also sent pills in to ecstasydata frequently. So, in my particular case, I know that the pills I was eating were MDMA as identified by ecstasy data. Some of my pills were MDA, and I could always tell which pills were MDA due to the effects. I can think of 1 or 2 times that there was a mix of black and orange on the marquis test, and I knew that the pills had a bit of speed in them. Those experiences were always notable because I could not sleep. But overall, my pills were not cut. I could link you the lab results on pills I personally sent in. So, although there were a lot of questionable pills going around at that time, that is not the explanation for what I experienced. I was consuming pills that were tested as MDMA, that felt completely different than the MDMA powder/crystal/molly I have had in later years.

I don't know if you were on this thread when I explained my history, but I had one supplier from 2000-2005, then he retired. I experienced one thing from 2000-2005, and then never experienced it again. My supplier's retirement correlated with a major bust in the area that shut down several trafficking rings. He always said it was coming in through "the Asian mafia" (whatever that means). When this bust went down, several local nightclubs and restaurants were closed in association with it. They were packing the ecstasy into the city inside of fish. It would be delivered to the restaurants, and then funneled to the night clubs.

My only point in sharing this is that whoever my supplier was working with was bringing in some specific kind of product, because it was very consistent. I never had to worry with this guy, and he would let me test up front and pick whichever pills produced the result I liked the most.
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Ok, thanks for clearing that up. Makes sense. It goes back to why this whole thread was created in the first place : stuff getting the same results from lab analysis but with different effects. And yes, MDA I always found pretty easy to tell from MDMA, it becomes very obvious about 2 -3 hours in (visuals effects starting (watery type of visuals that I never had from anything else, difficulty communicating, loosing train of thought etc) .
 
I first rolled when I was 14 in 1999. I would be the one in charge of getting my group of friends rolls. I always got real deal MDMA. 1 example my 2nd time rolling in Chicago when I was 15 I remember a college aged girl hugged me and I was floored. That nausea sucked, but BL taught me to take rolaids so I wouldn't get sick. That intense rush where some ppl like to puke, I would hold it in, after the nausea I would roll hard from 11:30pm - at least 5am. on 1 pill! I used to read bluelight during high school in my Ecko hoodie. lol.

WTF happened. the only positive thing about modern "molly" is that there is no draining feeling, probably because no serotonin is being released.

Chicago had the "mints" 10 years ago during the Skrillex EDM re surgance.

Does the problem have anything to do with sassafrass bark shortages? Or is it just greedy shysters using cheap chemicals?

☆everything @Le Junk said was fact. I love the Dallas reference. I have old VHS where I recorded Ecstasy news docs.
**my thing is I think it's not Real if there is no empathy lovey dovey feeling & body buzz similar to feeling of orgasm but not sexual.
I wish I would have saved a jar from the year 2000. But the demand was so high that ppl would trade diamonds for a roll.

I just read a reply about isomers. Please give me some hope....how do research scientists get it. is it sassafrass bark etc.

I registered just to talk about sad state of Modern E.

I think that Dallas club was the 1st place that discovered recreational E. I forgot the story but it rings a bell.
 
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vecktor said:
testing the drug testers is pretty pointless, it will not get us any closer to an answer about meh or magic all it will show is how low is low when it comes to the quality data of the testers produce.
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My logic for it was that its absolute proof that they're not doing it right, so potentially pressure could be put on them to smarten their act up. It's a bit of a desperate long game move I admit but I'm getting ansty twiddling my thumbs. I don't have access to any testing facilities apart from the likes of EC and Wedinos, but would love to help move things forward.
 
Last-Don-Pablo said:
I first rolled when I was 14 in 1999. I would be the one in charge of getting my group of friends rolls. I always got real deal MDMA. 1 example my 2nd time rolling in Chicago when I was 15 I remember a college aged girl hugged me and I was floored. That nausea sucked, but BL taught me to take rolaids so I wouldn't get sick. That intense rush where some ppl like to puke, I would hold it in, after the nausea I would roll hard from 11:30pm - at least 5am. on 1 pill! I used to read bluelight during high school in my Ecko hoodie. lol.

WTF happened. the only positive thing about modern "molly" is that there is no draining feeling, probably because no serotonin is being released.

Chicago had the "mints" 10 years ago during the Skrillex EDM re surgance.

Does the problem have anything to do with sassafrass bark shortages? Or is it just greedy shysters using cheap chemicals?

☆everything @Le Junk said was fact. I love the Dallas reference. I have old VHS where I recorded Ecstasy news docs.
**my thing is I think it's not Real if there is no empathy lovey dovey feeling & body buzz similar to feeling of orgasm but not sexual.
I wish I would have saved a jar from the year 2000. But the demand was so high that ppl would trade diamonds for a roll.

I just read a reply about isomers. Please give me some hope....how do research scientists get it. is it sassafrass bark etc.

I registered just to talk about sad state of Modern E.

I think that Dallas club was the 1st place that discovered recreational E. I forgot the story but it rings a bell.
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I had a batch of sassy oil, connections made some it's def not recourser
 
@Last-Don-Pablo I feel everything you are saying. Our histories sound similar, at least in time frame. I rolled for the first time in early 2000. Your description is also on point, "my thing is I think it's not Real if there is no empathy lovey dovey feeling & body buzz similar to feeling of orgasm but not sexual."

For me, that feeling could go sexual if in the right company, but even in a platonic setting, the feeling would still be there beneath the surface.

I don't expect to match the experience of my first and second rolls, because I recognize that the newness of the experience and the power of youth are something that just cannot be re-captured. But, I had a good 5 year period of steady supply with reliable and predictable results. After my supplier left, I never found it again.

This thread is devoted to figuring it out. Wish we had 100% answers. There are a lot of possibilities at this point. More later!
 
Anyone have any ideas about the lavender/purple MDMA coming out of Canada? What in the world would produce that color?
 
indigoaura said:
Anyone have any ideas about the lavender/purple MDMA coming out of Canada? What in the world would produce that color?
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Funny you mention that I got some of that a month ago. It was bright purple like someone added dye to it. It was pretty meh if I recall. I took 300 mg for weak and disapointing effects.
 
Here is another study. @vecktor, perhaps this one could shed some light on the data you were looking at from @vash445.

"Generally we did not observe overlapping of the peaks in the profiles but there are some exceptions, i.e. MDMA peak overlaps partly with the peak of compound 16 (Fig. 1b) and compound 17 (Fig. 2b)."

 
@indigoaura - You were Dancesafe crew huh? Appreciate your service :) I actually got a Dancesafe tattoo from my earlier days and while I wasn’t a volunteer, a lot of my friends were and my old town has one of the biggest number of total volunteers in the country. Maybe that’s why we have such good product around here lol.

After seeing your latest experience my guess too is that you either had Leuckart MDMA and/or a tolerance issue. I’m thinking both probably.

While it seems most of the US was switched from Leuckart to other routes around 2000, most of the US product back then was also EU imported. We can only assume that the EU producers switched around then.

That said, you know with fair certainty that your product then was Asian sourced. From my memory there’s a study from Hong Kong around 2002-2003 which showed that a fair amount of the product (maybe 1/4 from memory) was still Leuckart MDMA.

My guess, is that because your source was still obtaining from Asia they still could of been getting the Leuckart MD, at least the chances are higher than EU imports around the same time.

That said, I do believe tolerance likely has something to do with it too. I personally start to notice a tolerance if I use anymore than 6-7 times a year on average. Thankfully I’ve been very cognizant of it and soon as I feel it I take a good long break.

Just keep an eye on those reagent reactions folks. Remember with the 90’s Leuckart MDMA, the Marquis reagent would go a black/cobalt blue.

One more thing about that too... I was looking at 5-MAPB reagent reactions and also noticed that on EData some of them went dark purple and some went w bluish black on the Marquis.

5-MAPB is also a drug with highly varied responses. I’m wondering if synthesis routes are to blame.. I know I got one batch that even after proper purification wasn’t as good as another.

I’ll look into that more...

-GC
 
@G_Chem I never got to work with Dancesafe as much as I wanted, unfortunately. I had the test kits and I tested for everyone I knew, and would take the kits to parties etc. I remember going to a meeting and getting to chat with Emanuel Sferios, and I felt like I had met Jesus. He was very charismatic. Shortly after I volunteered though, the Rave Act went through and it all fell apart in my area.

I was just reading in one of these reports that Leuckart continued to be used overseas long after it had ceased being popular in America. Based on everything you have said about the effects profiles, it seems the most like what I recall.

In 2019, I used MDMA 4 times, and in 2018 4 times as well. Same in 2017. It has been 20 years overall though, so I am sure some tolerance issues are at play. To be fair, I feel a lot of life differently than I did at 19. My hormones have changed. I have changed. Some variation is expected.

But just thinking about everything I have tried since participating in this thread...they have all been different. The variation is fascinating, especially when the lab just says "MDMA."
 
After browsing through those articles I posted, I had this realization.

These testing companies are absolutely leaving out information in their results. I know that has been obvious for awhile, but it really struck me just now.

These research studies reference synthesis byproducts being found in almost every sample. You hardly ever see the synthesis byproducts listed in the testing results. There is no way that all of the MDMA samples on ecstasydata were free of synthesis byproducts.

What we know as fact from published research:

1. Different synthesis methods produce different impurities and/or byproducts.

2. Some of these impurities "inhibited release induced by MDMA, and the concentration dependence of this effect correlated with their uptake inhibitory potency at the various transporters" (https://sci-hub.tw/10.1016/s0893-133x(99)00148-7).

3. MDMA's psychoactive effects are altered due to certain transporter inhibiting drugs (https://sci-hub.tw/10.1016/s0893-133x(99)00148-7)

4. Labs are not reporting the presence of synthesis impurities, but research shows they are present in almost every sample.

Seems reasonable to conclude that synthesis byproducts could be altering the absorption and uptake of MDMA. This isn't even getting into the isomers that have been noted in other published literature. Really, seems like there could be more than one issue going on here, resulting in variations of "meh" experiences.
 
Hey guys and girls. Ive a number of above posts to catch up on. Just dropping in here quickly while my witts are holding up (debatably)...

Firstly, it has been a real privilege and pleasure to feel so accepted here in this community and engage with so many brilliant and open minded people with such vast experience to share. So a massive thank you to all of you as indidvduals and a community for making me feel so accepted and well receieved.



That aside- very quick comment- I just randomly looked on ecstasy data.org and what struck me was the appearance of MDA in numerous of the analysis near the top of the page. It just stood out to me as being a little bit more common than usual.

So there may be a little more MDA creeping back into some of the pill batches currently affecting the experience and appraisal of those ba6ches.
 
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babooon87 said:
I have not used reagents in a few years as I almost exlusively take RC drugs from legal vendors which have always been legit.
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Unfortunately trusting RC vendors has been shown to be very dangerous. Just three months ago a Canadian vendor sent out a very nasty cocktail of RC benzos as 3-FPM.
Within Canada there is now a completely free, anonymous mail in testing service, that will even show quantitative results: https://getyourdrugstested.com/how-to-test-by-mail/
I would strongly recommend that everyone use it.

On the topic of this thread, looking at the results they post online it's interesting to see how much of the MDMA (in Vancouver at least) is cut anywhere from 20-70%, usually with mannitol.
 
I can assure u that it's not tolerance. that's like saying if u win the lottery tomorrow that your reaction would be...."oh .....cool I guess? " And giving excuse that u are not excited because you have built tolerance to happiness. see it sounds ridiculous

I rolled with my gf a half-dozen times between 2003 and 2005. And it was phenomenal every time. And this was couple years after my monthly party days. So tolerance goes away eventually. obviously u can't roll hard if u deplete ur serotonin.

The modern stuff seems like u can do it frequently without that powerful feeling or comedown.
the genuine e experience I wouldn't want to do it again for at least 14 days during peak season. And during school once a month was plenty.

I did some modern molly recently and I noticed while checking in to a hotel that I could be a Dick! The Hindu broad was taking forever and I had places to be. The early next day I wanted to apologize but her shift was done. I wasn't trying to be a dick just really impatient. And I am known as a very nice person in general.
I didn't think anything of it but I noticed it again on NYE. Like I'm in my own little world. And I have to remind myself that I am being mean.

Remember that non traditional therapy lady who would do E sessions with couples? Is that still around?
 
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