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BlueBull said:
I can confirm this for France, Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxemburg as well. The rave scene is still alive and loving. As you say though, you have to stick to the smaller festivals

However, I think this amazing atmosphere is more due to the general vibe of the crowd and the kinds of people at these kinds of events and less with the quality of the drugs. I have not noticed the hostile, egocentric effect this 'bad' MDMA has on crowds as described in some posts in here but I have noticed a sharp decline in the intensity of empathogenic and 'loved up' effects the MDMA has these days. And at the festivals I attend that is canceled out to some degree by the positive vibe this kind of crowd naturally has, they do not need much chemical assistance to act extremely empathic and loving, but the difference in effects is noticeable even there nevertheless, though much less than at more mainstream events. I have been taking MDMA for around 19 years now so I can compare a bit.

I have debated for years against the supposed differences between old and more recent MDMA because I have seriously abused the drug for years in a row and I assumed it must be that I ruined the drug for myself because of this abuse. That is until a few years ago I ran into some unknown random pills that completely changed my perspective on that. It was like it was a different drug altogether, exactly how I remembered my earlier rolls. These pills were tested with 3 different reagents, not lab tested so I'm not absolutely sure that they contained only MDMA, only that they did contain MDMA and maybe nothing else. After my first experience with them I went back to the dealer because I only bought 3 and had given 2 to mates that night. I asked to buy his entire supply (he only had 30 left), he refused and said these pills were the best he's had in years and years and that he was keeping them. I offered him double the going rate, refused, triple, refused. I went all the way up to ten times (!!!) the going rate and he refused and said he would not accept any offer. This guy had been selling for years and was in it for the money. That right there told me I was right about these pills and that there was something to this debate after all

I have made a report about them which I will link below. However, disclaimer this was years ago, don't go looking for these pills because by now if you happen to run into ones that looks like that it's almost 100% certain not the same ones
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Nice report, i like how you leave a little note about how the dutch stuff makes you feel vs this specifically. Nice pills.
 
I potentially have found a few batches of md that will interest us/this thread.

One claims "just like the 2000's, old school sass"

And another one straight up says "Made from saffrole, smells like aniseed strongly" or something of that regard. If i end up with some of this, i may have to experiment for science.
 
epic11 said:
If i end up with some of this, i may have to experiment for science.
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An experiment on virgin users or long-time abstinents would yield data, that could not be dismisses off-hand on the basis of tolerance buildup.

You'd have to sit in on this. If you do, please limit the dose to 1.5mg/kg of body weight on an empty stomach and dissolve it in orange juce for consumption (to eliminate the crystalline polymorph variance). Note the come up time and duration and severity of comedown.

Please pay attention to pupils (mydriasis), jaw (trismus) and heart rate (pulse) ...besides the psychoactive effects, of course.

Don't let them overheat or drink huge amounts of pure water...but I guess, you already know that.
 
Glubrahnum said:
An experiment on virgin users or long-time abstinents would yield data, that could not be dismisses off-hand on the basis of tolerance buildup.

You'd have to sit in on this. If you do, please limit the dose to 1.5mg/kg of body weight on an empty stomach and dissolve it in orange juce for consumption (to eliminate the crystalline polymorph variance). Note the come up time and duration and severity of comedown.

Please pay attention to pupils (mydriasis), jaw (trismus) and heart rate (pulse) ...besides the psychoactive effects, of course.

Don't let them overheat or drink huge amounts of pure water...but I guess, you already know that.
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I myself am about 3 months off currently, with both rolls prior having a 1 year and a 6+ month wait times. If i were to try it soon, it would be the shortest wait in a long time. I was curious about some other reads here about the 3 month rule I believe @G_Chem brought this up recently. Waiting 1+ years or 6+ months didnt help prior rolls to be any better(maybe mehdma?), so i was gonna try shortening it to the more standard wait time of 3 months. I dont abuse this drug, and its why im ultra concerned about whats going on. with it. Its way too precious of an experience to not fight for.

Now speaking of virgin users, id like to re-iterate that ive watched virgin users take todays mdma with very lackluster effect. Dont really look that fuck up, not proclaiming love for the person that gave it to them, no music appreciation increase, honestly look bored....... those sorts of things. Just blah. When its good, i doubt anyone could be bored on mdma. lol
 
indigoaura said:
I get that 100%.

When you say it is agony, and nothing is comfortable, what do you mean? Can you expand on that more? Do you literally have pain?
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these pills and also powder could be called antimdma instead of mehmdma then, since it has literally the opposite effect of what real mdma feels like
yes agony.
-All the muscles in the body and face are hurting from tension.
-there is a headache across the eyes.
-uncomfortable body heat
-no energy, just want to sit
-no feeling for music (I tried dancing but I could find any rhythm in the music)
-no socializing, talking is an effort and not desired
-feeling anxious, stressed, scared
-dizzy feeling in head, also when I tried walking I felt very dizzy/ disorientated
-brain feels foggy.

basically this feels like a super toxic something. nothing pleasant at all about it.


I have seen other people I know on festivals/parties that used the same stuff.
They basically sat on the ground in some sort of stupor, moving their heads around in a weird way.
When I talked to them, they kept on repeating the stuff is so strong, but with a terrified face.
The come down they described as terrible: puking, bowl issues, nightmares, brain zaps, general malaise, lasting like a week.

this antimdma I have encountered numerous times.
but I learned to taste test it from the good stuff.
recently only I have had the luck of finding very good magicmdma pills (green rolls royce) and some lesser pills.
I was nearly at the point of throwing in the towel, giving this whole thing up.
 
me.and.emma said:
these pills and also powder could be called antimdma instead of mehmdma then, since it has literally the opposite effect of what real mdma feels like
yes agony.
-All the muscles in the body and face are hurting from tension.
-there is a headache across the eyes.
-uncomfortable body heat
-no energy, just want to sit
-no feeling for music (I tried dancing but I could find any rhythm in the music)
-no socializing, talking is an effort and not desired
-feeling anxious, stressed, scared
-dizzy feeling in head, also when I tried walking I felt very dizzy/ disorientated
-brain feels foggy.

basically this feels like a super toxic something. nothing pleasant at all about it.


I have seen other people I know on festivals/parties that used the same stuff.
They basically sat on the ground in some sort of stupor, moving their heads around in a weird way.
When I talked to them, they kept on repeating the stuff is so strong, but with a terrified face.
The come down they described as terrible: puking, bowl issues, nightmares, brain zaps, general malaise, lasting like a week.

this antimdma I have encountered numerous times.
but I learned to taste test it from the good stuff.
recently only I have had the luck of finding very good magicmdma pills (green rolls royce) and some lesser pills.
I was nearly at the point of throwing in the towel, giving this whole thing up.
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The physical pain parts are making me think you dont even have mdma at all. You tested this with your own kit?
 
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BlueBull said:
I can confirm this for France, Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxemburg as well. The rave scene is still alive and loving. As you say though, you have to stick to the smaller festivals

However, I think this amazing atmosphere is more due to the general vibe of the crowd and the kinds of people at these kinds of events and less with the quality of the drugs. I have not noticed the hostile, egocentric effect this 'bad' MDMA has on crowds as described in some posts in here but I have noticed a sharp decline in the intensity of empathogenic and 'loved up' effects the MDMA has these days. And at the festivals I attend that is canceled out to some degree by the positive vibe this kind of crowd naturally has, they do not need much chemical assistance to act extremely empathic and loving, but the difference in effects is noticeable even there nevertheless, though much less than at more mainstream events. I have been taking MDMA for around 19 years now so I can compare a bit.

I have debated for years against the supposed differences between old and more recent MDMA because I have seriously abused the drug for years in a row and I assumed it must be that I ruined the drug for myself because of this abuse. That is until a few years ago I ran into some unknown random pills that completely changed my perspective on that. It was like it was a different drug altogether, exactly how I remembered my earlier rolls. These pills were tested with 3 different reagents, not lab tested so I'm not absolutely sure that they contained only MDMA, only that they did contain MDMA and maybe nothing else. After my first experience with them I went back to the dealer because I only bought 3 and had given 2 to mates that night. I asked to buy his entire supply (he only had 30 left), he refused and said these pills were the best he's had in years and years and that he was keeping them. I offered him double the going rate, refused, triple, refused. I went all the way up to ten times (!!!) the going rate and he refused and said he would not accept any offer. This guy had been selling for years and was in it for the money. That right there told me I was right about these pills and that there was something to this debate after all

I have made a report about them which I will link below. However, disclaimer this was years ago, don't go looking for these pills because by now if you happen to run into ones that looks like that it's almost 100% certain not the same ones
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very nice report!!!
I have experienced exactly the same as you described. I have found some very nice pills a few weeks ago. Almost lost hope about it being possible.
I love the way you say that they don't influence you physically. Yes yes yes good mdma has hardly any body load and your mind is clear and you in heaven. I know exactly what you talking about.
And also that those good ones are never high dosed like over 200 mgs. I go rolling heavenly on 100 mg on real mdma.
And I am so happy you could experience this again!
 
epic11 said:
The physical parts are making me think you dont even have mdma at all. You tested this with your own kit?
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yes it has been tested at the centre and came back as mdma. I don't have my own kit. it feels exactly like a completely different drug.
 
me.and.emma said:
yes it has been tested at the centre and came back as mdma. I don't have my own kit. it feels exactly like a completely different drug.
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Yea most everything else sounds like mehdma. Ive just not experienced actual pain from it. So i found that interesting.
 
me.and.emma said:
-All the muscles in the body and face are hurting from tension.
-there is a headache across the eyes.
-uncomfortable body heat
-no energy, just want to sit
-no feeling for music (I tried dancing but I could find any rhythm in the music)
-no socializing, talking is an effort and not desired
-feeling anxious, stressed, scared
-dizzy feeling in head, also when I tried walking I felt very dizzy/ disorientated
-brain feels foggy.

basically this feels like a super toxic something. nothing pleasant at all about it.
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I would love to develop a cheap reliable test for this crap! ...and watch its producers squirm as they are suddenly stuck with a large stock that nobody wants to buy.
 
Glubrahnum said:
I would love to develop a cheap reliable test for this crap! ...and watch the producers of this s**t squirm as they are suddenly stuck with a large stock that nobody wants to buy.
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that would be indeed so incredibly amazing. I have a good feeling you will get there eventually.
 
Glubrahnum said:
I would love to develop a cheap reliable test for this crap! ...and watch its producers squirm as they are suddenly stuck with a large stock that nobody wants to buy.
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Assuming your passion behind this, you must be experiencing the same as a lot of us.
 
@me.and.emma, I copied your words below, and added my notes. Everything bold has been my experience as well.

-All the muscles in the body and face are hurting from tension. (This is not something I have experienced during the "roll," but I may have had muscle pain during the comedown)
-there is a headache across the eyes. (Next day, not during for me)
-uncomfortable body heat (For me, I am uncomfortably cold, but I am also usually at home with the AC cranked up)
-no energy, just want to sit
-no feeling for music
-no socializing, talking is an effort and not desired
-feeling anxious, stressed, scared (This is more potent for me if I am out in public. At concerts, I want to fight people, want people to stop talking, wonder if there will be a mass shooting, want to go home etc. If I am already at home, it is not as prominent. At home, it is more a potent LACK of any typical MDMA satisfaction).
-dizzy feeling in head, also when I tried walking I felt very dizzy/ disorientated (Hard to say here. There is a "swimmy" element during the roll, but I am hella dizzy for up to a week afterwards)
-brain feels foggy.
-The come down they described as terrible: puking, bowl issues, nightmares, brain zaps, general malaise, lasting like a week.

In this situation, I think your more extreme response could be dose related. How many mg are you typically taking?
 
epic11 said:
Assuming your passion behind this, you must be experiencing the same as a lot of us.
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Although, I have not used it for over fifteen years, it annoys me to see this inferior product going around with impunity, the increased doses causing more deadly cases, while working in a lab full of analytical equipment every day.

MDMA doses 20017-2018.png

See:
Ecstasy 'too child-friendly' as deaths rise to record levels

P.S.
Also, take a look at the huge LTC thread on this forum now and 10 years ago !
 
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indigoaura said:
@me.and.emma, I copied your words below, and added my notes. Everything bold has been my experience as well.

-All the muscles in the body and face are hurting from tension. (This is not something I have experienced during the "roll," but I may have had muscle pain during the comedown)
-there is a headache across the eyes. (Next day, not during for me)
-uncomfortable body heat (For me, I am uncomfortably cold, but I am also usually at home with the AC cranked up)
-no energy, just want to sit
-no feeling for music
-no socializing, talking is an effort and not desired
-feeling anxious, stressed, scared (This is more potent for me if I am out in public. At concerts, I want to fight people, want people to stop talking, wonder if there will be a mass shooting, want to go home etc. If I am already at home, it is not as prominent. At home, it is more a potent LACK of any typical MDMA satisfaction).
-dizzy feeling in head, also when I tried walking I felt very dizzy/ disorientated (Hard to say here. There is a "swimmy" element during the roll, but I am hella dizzy for up to a week afterwards)
-brain feels foggy.
-The come down they described as terrible: puking, bowl issues, nightmares, brain zaps, general malaise, lasting like a week.

In this situation, I think your more extreme response could be dose related. How many mg are you typically taking?
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I personally think you don't have as bad stuff as this. It's still not right what you have of course and no where near where it should be.
Swimmy is a better word, like you have vertigo. That would describe it better. But then very swimmy on this stuff.

As I am re-reading and typing I actually get a real creepy feeling, totally the opposite to what people get when they remember a good roll.
I took in total 140 mg, but that was because it did nothing at 50mg, nothing 90, no gradual smooth take-off like was described by Bluebull, but suddenly with larger dose bam this big nasty slap of a come-up . I am very responsive and on real mdma I get pupil dilation and warm fluffy everything is good feeling on 50mg already.

the other people I know had higher doses. between the 4 of them they finished a gram in no time.
 
So, new approach maybe...?

Look for pills that have been tested already that are a low weight, with MDMA only as the result, and the smallest difference between the overall weight and the amount of MDMA. IE, there should not be 200 mg unaccounted for.
 
Fake it till you make it I think the year that I started experimenting with in ecstasy was 2007 in this country that was arguably one of the worst years for quality MDMA. I guess that's what happens after 30 years of locking up the best chemist and the most successful trafficking organizations for MDMA. You see a lot more synthetics the facts are it's never going to be as good as it used to be that's just the evolution of drug policy like what happened to all my good quality LSD it's still out there but odds are I'm going to get some research chemical 7 out of 10 times I don't know what to tell you sorry my generation goofed it all up
 
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