What is wrong with the MDMA available today? - v2

[fuckabout89]

I'm gonna have to disagree with you because you have 0 chemistry experience

Let alone have the balls to purchase to safrole

I've TURNED BULK MEH MDMA into magic, it's not the SAFROLE

as GEORGE ZIMMERMAN from the men's wearhouse would say

"I GUARANTEE IT"

I have the ballz to do it bro just not the place nor the money. Trust me if I could I would.

Just because Im aware of risks when I do something dont mean im scared to do it. Just saying bro DEA watches that stuff.

 

[vash445]

Im gonna have to disagree with you. No hate brother its ok to disagree on some stuff no ones getting hurt. Love you bro virtual hugs

I'm gonna have to disagree with you because you have 0 chemistry experience

Let alone have the balls to purchase to safrole

I've TURNED BULK MEH MDMA into magic, it's not the SAFROLE

as GEORGE ZIMMERMAN from the men's wearhouse would say

"I GUARANTEE IT"

unodelacosa would say the same. Both of us have PRACTICAL real-world experience

Both of us could probably develope a MDMA route that IS NOT documented or very well documented, that means NO HELIONAL, NO SAFROLE, NO PIPERONAL NO GLYCIATE

we spent YEARS AND YEARS learning this.

It took me 5-7 to learn TS2/ THE HIVE. It's taken another 5-7 to understand crystallization structures and analytics. And I'm still learning and refining and posting here every year.

 

[fuckabout89]

I'm gonna have to disagree with you because you have 0 chemistry experience

Let alone have the balls to purchase to safrole

I've TURNED BULK MEH MDMA into magic, it's not the SAFROLE

as GEORGE ZIMMERMAN from the men's wearhouse would say

"I GUARANTEE IT"

unodelacosa would say the same. Both of us have PRACTICAL real-world experience

Both of us could probably develope a MDMA route that IS NOT documented or very well documented, that means NO HELIONAL, NO SAFROLE, NO PIPERONAL NO GLYCIATE

we spent YEARS AND YEARS learning this.

It took me 5-7 to learn TS2/ THE HIVE. It's taken another 5-7 to understand crystallization structures and analytics. And I'm still learning and refining and posting here every year.

I dont know bro theres a lot people that say stuff going around is trash I think theres something too it.

 

[vash445]

I dont know bro theres a lot people that say stuff going around is trash I think theres something too it.

This right here

WAS MEH



DUDE SAID IT LOOKED amazing but was meh, trash,

I took that recrystallized again from acetone, made smaller crystals and he said,

F your $500-800oz of meh, this NEW re recrystallized batch is KILL.

LIKE AS PAR IF NOT BETTER THEN, the Dallas crew and I was there gandalf

It even beats that's, "premium maps batch you had from unnamed darknet vendor"

 

[Didgital]

I think it's still available on the world's largest auction site

Great way to get your door kicked in and there are stories of exactly that happening. I would recommend everyone stop listening to Vash immediately. I've help my tongue for too long. Besides incoherent ranting, I really don't want people to get into trouble for listening to his very very poor advice. It's beyond conjecture here.

BRO IVE HAD SAFROLE IT MADE MEH

Seriously what's going on Vash. You used to be calm and actually have reasonable/coherent things to say. Something has changed. I'm not trying to be mean. Im genuinely concerned.
Not that i care, but you're ruining the already stupid (IMO) thread. I typically don't respond directly to anything you say anymore because I don't want to read

GIANT WALLS OF TEXT WHICH SOUND LIKE YOU ARE YELLING BECAUSE YOU THINK YELLING WILL PROVE YOUR POINT MORE THAN PROVIDING FACTUAL EVIDENCE

LIKE YOUVE ACTUALLY ATTEMPTED ANYTHING IN THE MAPS PAPER WHICH I DOUBT YOU HAVE OR YOU'D KNOW THERE ARE SERIOUS PROBLEMS WITH IT

OR MAYBE YOU JUST THINK GIANT WALLS OF CAPITALS MAKES PEOPLE TAKE YOU MORE SERIOUSLY OR SOMETHING.

IT DOESN'T MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA

I ASSURE YOU IT DOES NOT.

MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA FULL MELT POLYMORPH MEHDMA MEHDMA

(this is how you come off Vash.)

make meh MDMA, and I can still source LITERS for under $20-40 a liter ebay

Technically this is violating BULA by providing sources plz @Esperighanto do something.

Alot of monkey see monkey do but very few people reach either my level or otherwise

Thank god I'm not not at your level or I'd check myself into a hospital. Don't expect another response from me anytime soon after this. I don't want to encourage you.


Also. anyone trying to recrystallize MDMA in pure acetone is fuc&*%ng idiot... Sorry not sorry to be rude. You exposing yourself as someone who doesn't know shit.
MDMA-HCL is virtually and practically insoluble in Acetone. I doubt you could crystallize a gram in a liter of acetone. Tho I've not tried, because I'm not stupid. You CAN recrystallize it in boiling anhydrous isopropyl at 1g to 19mL, which still isn't great solubility.

You think people recrystallize 1kg in 1000L? give me a fuc*%ng break.

Literally blocking you and I reserve that for people who talk out of their ass constantly or are going through severe psychosis.

THC-A is 87% or whatever but its still THC when ya get it

Sorry man I should have responded directly to this. THCA is 100% THCA. It's not THC until you decarboxylate it with heat which converts THCA into THC. You are correct that heating 100mg of THCA converts to 87mg of THC and 13mg of CO2 which goes into the atmosphere. Nothing is lost in chemistry/physics. Law of conservation. Try eating 100mg THCa and you probably won't even feel it. Eat 87mg of THC and you'll be on your ass.

 

[AutoTripper]

That is what is described at end of video....

Youre feeling something from just a memory.

How could that NOT influence your perception of what MDMA feels like today..

I have zero perception or imagination of what MDMA feels like, today for myself or anyone. I last took it May 2005 never can or will again.

I have a very sharp transgressional memory though. I can easily tap into nearly any memory quite vividly.

I don’t take Exstacy I did to extremes, I lived through its culture. You’ve mistaken me with respect and your suggestion is invalid. Seems confusion comes quite easily, amongst MDMA users currently lol?

 

[vash445]

Great way to get your door kicked in and there are stories of exactly that happening. I would recommend everyone stop listening to Vash immediately. I've help my tongue for too long. Besides incoherent ranting, I really don't want people to get into trouble for listening to his very very poor advice. It's beyond conjecture here.

Seriously what's going on Vash. You used to be calm and actually have reasonable/coherent things to say. Something has changed. I'm not trying to be mean. Im genuinely concerned.
Not that i care, but you're ruining the already stupid (IMO) thread. I typically don't respond directly to anything you say anymore because I don't want to read

GIANT WALLS OF TEXT WHICH SOUND LIKE YOU ARE YELLING BECAUSE YOU THINK YELLING WILL PROVE YOUR POINT MORE THAN PROVIDING FACTUAL EVIDENCE

LIKE YOUVE ACTUALLY ATTEMPTED ANYTHING IN THE MAPS PAPER WHICH I DOUBT YOU HAVE OR YOU'D KNOW THERE ARE SERIOUS PROBLEMS WITH IT

OR MAYBE YOU JUST THINK GIANT WALLS OF CAPITALS MAKES PEOPLE TAKE YOU MORE SERIOUSLY OR SOMETHING.

IT DOESN'T MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA

I ASSURE YOU IT DOES NOT.

MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA FULL MELT POLYMORPH MEHDMA MEHDMA

(this is how you come off Vash.)



Technically this is violating BULA by providing sources plz @Esperighanto do something.


Thank god I'm not not at your level or I'd check myself into a hospital. Don't expect another response from me anytime soon after this. I don't want to encourage you.


Also. anyone trying to recrystallize MDMA in pure acetone is fuc&*%ng idiot... Sorry not sorry to be rude. You exposing yourself as someone who doesn't know shit.
MDMA-HCL is virtually and practically insoluble in Acetone. I doubt you could crystallize a gram in a liter of acetone. Tho I've not tried, because I'm not stupid. You CAN recrystallize it in boiling anhydrous isopropyl at 1g to 19mL, which still isn't great solubility.

You think people recrystallize 1kg in 1000L? give me a fuc*%ng break.



Sorry man I should have responded directly to this. THCA is 100% THCA. It's not THC until you decarboxylate it with heat which converts THCA into THC. You are correct that heating 100mg of THCA converts to 87mg of THC and 13mg of CO2 which goes into the atmosphere. Nothing is lost in chemistry/physics. Law of conservation. Try eating 100mg THCa and you probably won't even feel it. Eat 87mg of THC and you'll be on your ass.

There's a lot to it

But what I can say in my experience

MDMA is not MDMA

There are many polymorphs and the structure

Just like THC vs THCa is SIMILAR. BuT EVERYONE KNOW 100% PURE THC iS LACKLUSTER

ITS THE TERPS THAT HAVE MORE EFFECT ANYWAYS.

It's debateable if it's even sourcing considering everyone here claims, "it's too risky" Penta no longer sells safrole blah blah blah.

I'm on what you call a mentally ill rant because my backpain is at an all time high. And the level of stupidity here on my visit to Egypt isn't helping

 

[AutoTripper]

That is what is described at end of video....

Youre feeling something from just a memory.

How could that NOT influence your perception of what MDMA feels like today..

Nostalgia! Is all I was alluding to. If you once hunted sabertooth tigers seeing a PROPER cat after 6 millenia may send a shiver through your nervous system in recognition and memory.

And no harm in seeing legitimate 90’s Exstacy pills never paying it a minute’s thought generally in life, and the sight revoking some memories good ones as well. We are okay to remember things right, lol?

 

[vash445]

Great way to get your door kicked in and there are stories of exactly that happening. I would recommend everyone stop listening to Vash immediately. I've help my tongue for too long. Besides incoherent ranting, I really don't want people to get into trouble for listening to his very very poor advice. It's beyond conjecture here.

Seriously what's going on Vash. You used to be calm and actually have reasonable/coherent things to say. Something has changed. I'm not trying to be mean. Im genuinely concerned.
Not that i care, but you're ruining the already stupid (IMO) thread. I typically don't respond directly to anything you say anymore because I don't want to read

GIANT WALLS OF TEXT WHICH SOUND LIKE YOU ARE YELLING BECAUSE YOU THINK YELLING WILL PROVE YOUR POINT MORE THAN PROVIDING FACTUAL EVIDENCE

LIKE YOUVE ACTUALLY ATTEMPTED ANYTHING IN THE MAPS PAPER WHICH I DOUBT YOU HAVE OR YOU'D KNOW THERE ARE SERIOUS PROBLEMS WITH IT

OR MAYBE YOU JUST THINK GIANT WALLS OF CAPITALS MAKES PEOPLE TAKE YOU MORE SERIOUSLY OR SOMETHING.

IT DOESN'T MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA

I ASSURE YOU IT DOES NOT.

MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA FULL MELT POLYMORPH MEHDMA MEHDMA

(this is how you come off Vash.)



Technically this is violating BULA by providing sources plz @Esperighanto do something.


Thank god I'm not not at your level or I'd check myself into a hospital. Don't expect another response from me anytime soon after this. I don't want to encourage you.


Also. anyone trying to recrystallize MDMA in pure acetone is fuc&*%ng idiot... Sorry not sorry to be rude. You exposing yourself as someone who doesn't know shit.
MDMA-HCL is virtually and practically insoluble in Acetone. I doubt you could crystallize a gram in a liter of acetone. Tho I've not tried, because I'm not stupid. You CAN recrystallize it in boiling anhydrous isopropyl at 1g to 19mL, which still isn't great solubility.

You think people recrystallize 1kg in 1000L? give me a fuc*%ng break.

Literally blocking you and I reserve that for people who talk out of their ass constantly or are going through severe psychosis.



Sorry man I should have responded directly to this. THCA is 100% THCA. It's not THC until you decarboxylate it with heat which converts THCA into THC. You are correct that heating 100mg of THCA converts to 87mg of THC and 13mg of CO2 which goes into the atmosphere. Nothing is lost in chemistry/physics. Law of conservation. Try eating 100mg THCa and you probably won't even feel it. Eat 87mg of THC and you'll be on your ass.

How could that NOT influence your perception of what MDMA feels like today..

Because I have both meh and magic today. And side by side, we know the difference...it's not a past memory, sure some of us do.

But magic. I can abuse 3 days in a row. Meh MDMA you can't it get lackluster very quick.

I've even given virgins meh and magic to compare in 2018+ to now. It's not a history history thing if I can replicate it to mdma virgins in 2025. And I've abused a shit ton of MDMA in 2008, 2017 and a little use in 2004

Noone of it matters when you hold both in hand. And can do side by side comparison

 

[Didgital]

I have zero perception or imagination of what MDMA feels like, today for myself or anyone. I last took it May 2005 never can or will again.

I have a very sharp transgressional memory though. I can easily tap into nearly any memory quite vividly.

I don’t take Exstacy I did to extremes, I lived through its culture. You’ve mistaken me with respect and your suggestion is invalid. Seems confusion comes quite easily, amongst MDMA users currently lol?

You don't think memory can change or influence current perception?
All i meant really is that we're never going to be 19 again rolling for our first time with my Gf that I am deeply in love with around a bunch of people also rolling and enjoying life and hopeful about the future. Its 2026. Theres plenty of reasons people might not be as euphoric as they were in the 90s

 

[Didgital]

We are okay to remember things right, lol?

OFC we are. Thats what memories are for. Remembering events and times in life good and bad. I am saying that you said you felt a certain way just by seeing an image of something that corresponds to a memory that you have. That memory itself is influencing how you feel about something right now in this moment, and you're not even on MDMA.. right?

Theoretically lets say you did take MDMA again. You're telling me the memory (which you already stated to cause you to feel something) won't have ANY influence on how you perceive a new experience? You won't think Hey this feels like that one time or hey this doesn't feel like that one time? That's kind of hard to believe...

I'm not sure what exactly call it, but it seems like perceptional bias can be a thing. That's all. Wasn't trying to attack you or your statement by any means.

 

[vash445]

Great way to get your door kicked in and there are stories of exactly that happening. I would recommend everyone stop listening to Vash immediately. I've help my tongue for too long. Besides incoherent ranting, I really don't want people to get into trouble for listening to his very very poor advice. It's beyond conjecture here.

Seriously what's going on Vash. You used to be calm and actually have reasonable/coherent things to say. Something has changed. I'm not trying to be mean. Im genuinely concerned.
Not that i care, but you're ruining the already stupid (IMO) thread. I typically don't respond directly to anything you say anymore because I don't want to read

GIANT WALLS OF TEXT WHICH SOUND LIKE YOU ARE YELLING BECAUSE YOU THINK YELLING WILL PROVE YOUR POINT MORE THAN PROVIDING FACTUAL EVIDENCE

LIKE YOUVE ACTUALLY ATTEMPTED ANYTHING IN THE MAPS PAPER WHICH I DOUBT YOU HAVE OR YOU'D KNOW THERE ARE SERIOUS PROBLEMS WITH IT

OR MAYBE YOU JUST THINK GIANT WALLS OF CAPITALS MAKES PEOPLE TAKE YOU MORE SERIOUSLY OR SOMETHING.

IT DOESN'T MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA

I ASSURE YOU IT DOES NOT.

MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA MEHDMA FULL MELT POLYMORPH MEHDMA MEHDMA

(this is how you come off Vash.)



Technically this is violating BULA by providing sources plz @Esperighanto do something.


Thank god I'm not not at your level or I'd check myself into a hospital. Don't expect another response from me anytime soon after this. I don't want to encourage you.


Also. anyone trying to recrystallize MDMA in pure acetone is fuc&*%ng idiot... Sorry not sorry to be rude. You exposing yourself as someone who doesn't know shit.
MDMA-HCL is virtually and practically insoluble in Acetone. I doubt you could crystallize a gram in a liter of acetone. Tho I've not tried, because I'm not stupid. You CAN recrystallize it in boiling anhydrous isopropyl at 1g to 19mL, which still isn't great solubility.

You think people recrystallize 1kg in 1000L? give me a fuc*%ng break.

Literally blocking you and I reserve that for people who talk out of their ass constantly or are going through severe psychosis.



Sorry man I should have responded directly to this. THCA is 100% THCA. It's not THC until you decarboxylate it with heat which converts THCA into THC. You are correct that heating 100mg of THCA converts to 87mg of THC and 13mg of CO2 which goes into the atmosphere. Nothing is lost in chemistry/physics. Law of conservation. Try eating 100mg THCa and you probably won't even feel it. Eat 87mg of THC and you'll be on your ass.

This is not a place to come score drugs. Point blank period. We've got it plastered all over the place that these are our rules, and you agreed to them when you made an account here.

So please, just spare us the time and keep discussion to harm reduction and regional topics. Otherwise I'm just gonna have to tell you this isn't where you find drugs for the millionth time, which I'll happily do, but ya know. Who needs it.

You can talk about pretty much whatever you want in this sub forum, it's a lovely place but has always had a problem with sourcing. So let's please just keep in mind that Bluelight in general is not where you go to find or buy drugs.

Thanks,
deficiT

Safrole is not a drug, it is used it wiccan witchcraft

You cant get high from safrole, no is safrole alone enough to make MDMA. Not sure what "sourcing" rule is broken here.

Safrole is the primary aromatic compound found in the oil of sassafras root bark (Sassafras albidum), which has a long history of use in Appalachian folk magic, Hoodoo, and modern herbal witchcraft. In Wiccan and magical traditions, sassafras is generally classified as a herb of money, health, and protection.

Magical Uses and Associations
Money and Business: Sassafras is frequently used in spells to attract wealth, business success, and financial stability. A common practice is carrying a piece of the root in a wallet or purse to prevent money from running out.

Protection: Sassafras wood or root is used to make amulets or charms to protect against illness, the "evil eye," or to guard a home.
Wands and Tools: The fragrant wood is sometimes used to carve wands, connecting it to the element of Fire and the planet Jupiter.
Cleansing/Consecration: Historically, sassafras wood was used to make furniture (like beds) to protect sleepers from negative energies or evil spirits.

"So please, just spare us the time and keep discussion to harm reduction and regional topics. Otherwise I'm just gonna have to tell you this isn't where you find drugs for the millionth time, which I'll happily do, but ya know. Who needs it."

 

[vash445]

Hell I'm only here because of that got dang meh MDMA safrole with NMR report back during 2020/COVID otherwise. I wouldn't have been here either, otherwise I would also say it's all in peoples heads.

 

[AutoTripper]

You don't think memory can change or influence current perception?
All i meant really is that we're never going to be 19 again rolling for our first time with my Gf that I am deeply in love with around a bunch of people also rolling and enjoying life and hopeful about the future. Its 2026. Theres plenty of reasons people might not be as euphoric as they were in the 90s

I appreciate these angles naturally. I’m truly being as objective as I can be.

People weee eeing heavily in 1988. People were eeing at 40,50, 30, 20.

This type of discussion never existed. I literally am baffled to fine ways, how to “argue” this even.

Let’s roll back to 1994. Reddit exists though. 8/10 posters on Reddit are moaning in desperate search of MDMA like the one they had last summer.

Kind of thing. L, R, C. New to it, 18, 24, 38.

Two rolls, 15, 50, 550.

Magic loss, or not. Still everyone not entirely happy with the product at absolute minimum.


Imagine it! It’s simply unimaginable is my point. The Exstacy was real. It worked astonishingly for about everybody.

A relatively small % really did report losing effect though heavy use but certainly not myself.

The level and type of effects I got varied permanently most of all according to actual product first and foremost.

There were always shit pills around. Any time my Exstacy did not work was because of inferior product. Fortunately was rare for me until stopping in 2005 being so near to London and Bedfordshire my county used to be the illegal rave capital of the UK everywhere free parties fields barns disused army barracks under bridges warehouse buildings even huge abandoned University complexes you name it.


There were quality pills, and some shit batches to avoid. Occasionally one may chew a white Mitsubishi amongst a genuine batch to discover it was only sugar.

Outside crap products, the few who lost magic. Well again what is this nonsense I keep hearing, justified this that this that way…

That there is a “problem” with MDMA?

And there has to be the answer too. Else we’d really never be here, if you’d lived the era and really consider this objectively. The roads all lead back to Rome. Exstacy changed. For one, the sheer level of variation today. Vs real mean lines of consistency in comparison then.

MDMA is largely adulterated and surely counterfeited. Let’s call it a hypothesis though.

 

[vash445]

I appreciate these angles naturally. I’m truly being as objective as I can be.

People weee eeing heavily in 1988. People were eeing at 40,50, 30, 20.

This type of discussion never existed. I literally am baffled to fine ways, how to “argue” this even.

Let’s roll back to 1994. Reddit exists though. 8/10 posters on Reddit are moaning in desperate search of MDMA like the one they had last summer.

Kind of thing. L, R, C. New to it, 18, 24, 38.

Two rolls, 15, 50, 550.

Magic loss, or not. Still everyone not entirely happy with the product at absolute minimum.


Imagine it! It’s simply unimaginable is my point. The Exstacy was real. It worked astonishingly for about everybody.

A relatively small % really did report losing effect though heavy use but certainly not myself.

The level and type of effects I got varied permanently most of all according to actual product first and foremost.

There were always shit pills around. Any time my Exstacy did not work was because of inferior product. Fortunately was rare for me until stopping in 2005 being so near to London and Bedfordshire my county used to be the illegal rave capital of the UK everywhere free parties fields barns disused army barracks under bridges warehouse buildings even huge abandoned University complexes you name it.


There were quality pills, and some shit batches to avoid. Occasionally one may chew a white Mitsubishi amongst a genuine batch to discover it was only sugar.

Outside crap products, the few who lost magic. Well again what is this nonsense I keep hearing, justified this that this that way…

That there is a “problem” with MDMA?

And there has to be the answer too. Else we’d really never be here, if you’d lived the era and really consider this objectively. The roads all lead back to Rome. Exstacy changed. For one, the sheer level of variation today. Vs real mean lines of consistency in comparison then.

MDMA is largely adulterated and surely counterfeited. Let’s call it a hypothesis though.

Look to the hive and wet dreams

Meh MDMA was first reported there... Back in 1998/1999 this is NOT a new phenomenon...

I believe this has been reported here that the first complaints were way back during the hive days. And yes even with safrole.

So there is something to this going thru the history books.

Of course not everyone has read ALL 5000+ topics both not archived and archived. Including the couch XD

And that's not including the Russian hyperlab either

I believe it was first mentioned by user Popeye... But there was definitely a few people on the hive that mentioned it. Their names have been mentioned here in years past

Not this post but Popeye was a real moniker of someone back in the day


Breakthrough Method on Methamphetamine Production [445765] Stimulants Propoxyfiend 07-09-03 05:26
...king awesome. I have just come across information that will prove without hesitation that people like: Dwarfer, Labtop, Jacked, Methhead, Wiz X, Strike, Popeye, Zen, Pebbles, that Mr.Fix it guy(what was his damn name?), KRZ(where is that guy at?) and so many others have been barking up the wrong tree. Ready? Close your eyes now please, hold your breathe here we go: Mxxxxxx Gxxxx(original posters name omited for their protection from the

In short Popeye was one of the OGs next to zwitterion, Labtop, Wiz X, "Ork" and rhodium etc

Someone else here " definitely not me" mentioned either them or one of the other OGS that encountered it back then. I might be wrong, but I'm 90% it was Popeye that was mentioned by someone else

Either in v1 or v2 here.

While not exactly a 1:1 Alot of problems and ideas were originally talked about here. Especially when it comes to HI/RP reduction of pusedo meth

The Secret behind Potency of Meth , Hive Stimulants

 

[AutoTripper]

Look to the hive and wet dreams

Meh MDMA was first reported there... Back in 1998/1999 this is NOT a new phenomenon...

I believe this has been reported here that the first complaints were way back during the hive days. And yes even with safrole.

So there is something to this going thru the history books.

Of course not everyone has read ALL 5000+ topics both not archived and archived. Including the couch XD

And that's not including the Russian hyperlab either

I believe it was first mentioned by user Popeye... But there was definitely a few people on the hive that mentioned it. Their names have been mentioned here in years past

Not this post but Popeye was a real moniker of someone back in the day


Breakthrough Method on Methamphetamine Production [445765] Stimulants Propoxyfiend 07-09-03 05:26
...king awesome. I have just come across information that will prove without hesitation that people like: Dwarfer, Labtop, Jacked, Methhead, Wiz X, Strike, Popeye, Zen, Pebbles, that Mr.Fix it guy(what was his damn name?), KRZ(where is that guy at?) and so many others have been barking up the wrong tree. Ready? Close your eyes now please, hold your breathe here we go: Mxxxxxx Gxxxx(original posters name omited for their protection from the

In short Popeye was one of the OGs next to zwitterion, Labtop, Wiz X, "Ork" and rhodium etc

Hi. My dispute also is certainly never suggesting bunk product wasn’t always around. I mean fake Nike used to be virtually no exaggeration on near every street corner, in the 90’s.

But I’d say we sourced genuine MDMA/MDA and MDE at least 90% of the time. So if ever it was lacklustre, were the occasional bad products.

Seems it’s been too muddied now for too long. The distinction between genuine 100 mg’s upwards clean MDMA pills and some shitty ephedrine and caffeine copycats unmistakeable and grand and revealing as hell instantly.

Because we were just so used to always getting real original MDMA & Co.


We must acknowledge at least this is far from the consensus today.

 

[vash445]

Hi. My dispute also is certainly never suggesting bunk product wasn’t always around. I mean fake Nike used to be virtually no exaggeration on near every street corner, in the 90’s.

But I’d say we sourced genuine MDMA/MDA and MDE at least 90% of the time. So if ever it was lacklustre, were the occasional bad products.

Seems it’s been too muddied now for too long. The distinction between genuine 100 mg’s upwards clean MDMA pills and some shitty ephedrine and caffeine copycats unmistakeable and grand and revealing as hell instantly.

Because we were just so used to always getting real original MDMA & Co.


We must acknowledge at least this is far from the consensus today.

I'm not saying there wasn't imposters

Just people with confirmed safrole back in the 1990s and EARLY 2000S.

manufacturers of REAL DEAL TS2 MDMA from safrole encountered meh.

Popeye wasn't just a reseller. We are talking BULK 55 GALLON DRUM manufacturing chemists, talking about meh. It's one thing if it was a random person. Not an og on bulk discussion and route advancement and refinement


desoxyn etc [427981] Stimulants a_mean_bee 04-19-03 05:16
Thread: A fast reflux(?) [411349] ...ink, for example, although somewhat frivolous describes end-products that are completely off the mark yet 'active' in some capacity. https://www.rhodium.ws/chemistry/popeye/popeye.badspeed.txt I haven't noticed this kind of examination in the mdma posts.

So it's definitely been talked about production wise going WAYYYYY back you just gotta dig and dig.

 

[Didgital]

are moaning in desperate search of MDMA like the one they had last summer.

I actually love that you mention this.

Because instead of Todays MDMA vs 90's MDMA. it reads Todays MDMA vs last summers MDMA.

It doesn't prove anything ofc, but tells me people are trying to recreate a memory or a group of memories that just may not be possible anymore because now... it's this summer, and we're different people in different situations with different lives.

Really seems to me like people are chasing a memory instead of a molecule.

 

[AutoTripper]

I'm not saying there wasn't imposters

Just people with confirmed safrole back in the 1990s and EARLY 2000S.

manufacturers of REAL DEAL TS2 MDMA from safrole encountered meh.

Popeye wasn't just a reseller. We are talking BULK 55 GALLON DRUM manufacturing chemists, talking about meh. It's one thing if it was a random person. Not an og on bulk discussion and route advancement and refinement


desoxyn etc [427981] Stimulants a_mean_bee 04-19-03 05:16
Thread: A fast reflux(?) [411349] ...ink, for example, although somewhat frivolous describes end-products that are completely off the mark yet 'active' in some capacity. https://www.rhodium.ws/chemistry/popeye/popeye.badspeed.txt I haven't noticed this kind of examination in the mdma posts.

Yes meh was in them, I realise I sidetracked re the ephedrines etc because in truth those types of pills were actually better than the clearly identifiable meh.

Though latter 90’s there was a mixture of genuine 120 mg plus pills and very underdosed like 25-40 mg ones. So on many occasions 96 on until late 97 it was common to get such low dosed batches and the medicine is in the dose.

With LSD in its heyday it was observed and respected that with some context of course an underdose is worse than an overdose.

Which is true. Does not mean taking 85 tabs is better than 0.6 when 1.2 is around say 80 micrograms only.

Once a guy had some Liberty Cap magic mushrooms posted for a dose, delivered them.

Now some geezer in Wales UK had gone to the length of packing and posting these dried shrooms to England upon request.

General rule is 40 Liberty caps upwards to properly trip.

Why he only sent me f 25 what’s he think I am a time travelling microdoser lol I am perplexed.


However it was a useful lesson and graphic demonstration of this point in it’s experimence.

Falling pathetically short obviously but I would have been much happier more comfortable settled and relaxed that Friday after work had I simply not eaten them at all.

Just a pointless tease and tantalisation. The same occurred with such low dosed tablets and however many, too much buffer it makes a huge difference with Exstacy.

Indeed, upto 2005 I recall taking high quality lots of clean MDA presses then, MDMA naturally because MDMA crystal was everywhere.

And I can always recall meh presses, we avoided, though I never was palmed off with meh powder or crystal by then that was d very different story as long as privately sourced.

 

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Again ... This meh was at a manufacturer level. And not pills either, too much variance while pressing.

There was no ephedrine in this example or BZP or cathonies either.

This was BULK CHEMISTRY on the hive using safrole and or piperonal..

No cuts, not butts. Just meh encountered Durning bulk production

I'm not saying BZP or ephedrine pills were or weren't a thing ... they definitely were. What I am saying is BULK PRODUCTION of Pure MDMA at the chemists leveldid in fact chime in of meh using safrole. These weren't middle men. These were the bulk source of production

I do hope more and more people like threepointcircle will be willing to replicate my hypothesis on double recrystallization

First with dH20 or more preferred pure water (much higher purity the dH20) pure enough to run liquid cooling in a PC pure.

Then recrystallized again. But not everyone is willing to experiment and fail and learn so I get it. But hopefully more and more will try and chime in.