What is wrong with the MDMA available today? - v2

[unodelacosa]

To make there life easier and because there is 0 risk. That one is simple.

It's rarely "simple" and even more rarely "0 risk". Also, I imagine malpractice suits don't make life easier.

Are you saying there are no prescription drugs that are generally unethical for human use? Darvocet/APAP fits the bill but that is a lame example. Do we get to count things that use to be prescribed until we learned better? As that is sure to happen again and citing previous horrors would be easier admittedly

In part, it's a matter of semantics. I think what you both mean to say is: "unethical to prescribe" not "unethical to use". Otherwise it's all context sensitive. If a medicine has been removed from approval status, than it is no longer a medicine to be prescribed and the question is superfluous.

That aside I would just say look at the 'weaponization of antipyschotics' thread and the Sackler family thread for more.

Oh, I know all about the Sackler family, the pill farms in Florida, and the unethical moves Big Pharma has pulled in the past and still continues to pull today. As I stated before, I'm not cheerleading for Big Pharma over here, but we don't just throw the good out with the bad. The system can be changed from within.

Hospitals do work with a certain amount of infallibility -- especially if there is only one in the area.

No, they don't. "Infallibility"? What're they the Pope now? Hospitals are very fallible, and they make mistakes and settle lawsuits all the time. There are medical review boards from governing bodies to help keep things in check. Not a perfect system, but a functional one nonetheless.

Kind of a position they are 'policing themselves/eachother' and we see how well that works in EVERY INSTITUTION.

I get the feeling you're speculating here, and in my opinion, quite often doctors and nurses take their professions, their reputations, and their oaths very seriously. Hospitals do see some oversight, too, you know… it's not just a pure matter of quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Latin for: "Who watches the watchers?")

I would agree that side effects are vastly underreported as well --- If I like the med I may not mention a side effect, I.E Itchiness with morphine (oh no) - I am sure there are many more reasons. Including what you can afford/what insurance covers etc.

The side effects are mostly established during phases 2 and 3 of clinical trials, so whether you report side effects or not probably makes little to no difference. They already know about the side effects before it comes to market. Gotta take the bad with the good sometimes when the greater good is being served for that individual.

mdma....was an amazing drug a couple decades ago, became a pale imitation of itself around a period of time when it's primary precursor (forgive lacking science language) became much, much more difficult to source and the production process was changed. Correlation yeah, but ...

But nothing. Correlation does not prove causation; it's a common logic fallacy. Sorry @ageingpartyfiend but you simply don't know what you're talking about here. You're drawing the wrong conclusions and I think @Didgital was probably right: this thread is a wasteland. MDMA did not change. It's still about as challenging to obtain the same starting precursor from the 80s and 90s (read: sassafras oil), and this doesn't matter anyway if the chemist is talented and has access to analytical machinery. There are multiple syntheses being used presently according to LE and even more theoretical syntheses. If you understand organic chemistry, than you know that a chemical cannot "become a pale imitations of itself" without becoming a different compound. At that point, we're no longer discussing MDMA.

Also, I have a pet theory that the U.K. went through a sustained shortage of MDMA during a spell in which RCs filled the proverbial void left by MDMA's departure from the scene. Eventually the RC of choice was 4-MMC which is close enough in 5-HT activity to somewhat sub for MDMA and the U.K. ate (and snorted) it up. Many in the U.K., I think, may have just stopped searching for MDMA altogether. They basically just gave up looking, threw up their hands and said, "Oh well, so much for Mandy."

Have a look at footage of raves (uk in particular) in the 80's/90's. Have a good look at the dancing and in particular how the ravers look, their facial expressions, movements, and how they interract etc. Then find me any footage from say 2005 onwards with people looking/behaving similarly.

As if that's the only form of proof. Look, if you're talking about the Doncaster Rave from 1992, those kids are all hopped up on LSD and amphetamine speed paste, maybe a few of them on MDA and a few more on MDMA, but this really proves nothing beyond everyone was not just drinking booze that night.

Here's a documentary I watched recently about EDC LA in 2010.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

It's rarely "simple" and even more rarely "0 risk". Also, I imagine malpractice suits don't make life easier.

What is your definition of rare? Absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely. How many areas only have one major hospital?

As mentioned these things dont get reported - you know better than to sue the only place you can go to help when your health buckles.

In part, it's a matter of semantics. I think what you both mean to say is: "unethical to prescribe" not "unethical to use". Otherwise it's all context sensitive. If a medicine has been removed from approval status, than it is no longer a medicine to be prescribed and the question is superfluous.

ONCE A MEDICINE HAS BEEN REMOVED IT BECOMES SUPERFLOUS. Anything currently being prescribed currently that in the future is "to be removed is not". ( found super harmful/not useful etc) Only if you could promise that this was only a past phenomenon would it be superflous?

Oh, I know all about the Sackler family, the pill farms in Florida, and the unethical moves Big Pharma has pulled in the past and still continues to pull today. As I stated before, I'm not cheerleading for Big Pharma over here, but we don't just throw the good out with the bad. The system can be changed from within.


No, they don't. "Infallibility"? What're they the Pope now? Hospitals are very fallible, and they make mistakes and settle lawsuits all the time. There are medical review boards from governing bodies to help keep things in check. Not a perfect system, but a functional one nonetheless.

Super functional. Just like All US institutions? Infallible - excuse me im catholic I should know better! (Effectively up high in the elite / 'other tier' of the justice system...)

depends on the region depends on the hospital. In my region there is one hospital. They report to themselves effectively.

(You see what is going on with the president effectively reporting to himself --- (The DOJ in this metaphor) --- Hospitals are also capable of behaving that way.... Feels like you are being purposefully obtuse.



Someday perhaps they will face an even steeper price for the decades of monopoly and streak of bodies a mile wide....(all I can hope for, kind of like all I can do is wait for a new administration to hope the war criminals are prosecuted)

I also never said we should tear the whole system down? I agree change needs to be made.

I get the feeling you're speculating here, and in my opinion, quite often doctors and nurses take their professions, their reputations, and their oaths very seriously. Hospitals do see some oversight, too, you know… it's not just a pure matter of quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (Latin for: "Who watches the watchers?")

Who would one contact to get a hospital "audited?" for quality? Quite often they do NOT take their professions and oaths seriously. I am not saying this is ALL hospitals or ALL doctors.

It is ALL HOSPITAL where I am -- so Im gunna complain

The side effects are mostly established during phases 2 and 3 of clinical trials, so whether you report side effects or not probably makes little to no difference. They already know about the side effects before it comes to market. Gotta take the bad with the good sometimes when the greater good is being served for that individual.

This is true -- what are phase 2 and 3 clinical trials again and how long do they last? Let us clear THAT up if nothing else.

the answer is a phase 2 and 3 clinical trials only last a couple of years and the sample size is fairly small.

Phase 3 at the most 4 years and 3,000 people. (Not as bad as I thought admittedly)

Phase 2 even shorter and less people.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Doctors perform medical negligence unknowingly by virtue of prescribing an acceptably harmful medication. Without the medication at their disposal the doctors aren't enabled to enact medical negligence.

Or completely knowingly. Without the medication they will lobotomy and fry your brain. (The brain frying is still "Ethical", infer what you will)

Not only is it "ethical" it is used as a threat on patients that get out of line. Not an idle one either..

Thanks.

Yup, if you can cite a reason why the APAP compounds the FDA wanted removed never were, please do!

That is a case it was deemed unsafe unethical --- words came out ...... Ppl still droppin dead from taking too many hydro/APAP's ALL THE TIME.

Also if you can tell me why it is ethical and just to compound an opioid with APAP -- when APAP is OTC and cheap if you want it. PLEASE DO TELL ME.

If you reread the wording you'll see I specified only prescription drugs with known toxicity/safety issues.

"Known" is carrying alot of weight in this sentence...."Safety issue" I would love defined objectively

-- id say "Risk of suicide" or just flat "Death" is a safety issue. So we are talking probability not 'if'

---- I said I wasnt picking this debate cudgell up and I got it from BOTH SIDES lol... all good

 

[AutoTripper]

This exact thread was in 2019 what drew me to even put Bluelight on the map for me.

Because I was so monstrously intrigued.

So really and in no way do I regret signing up here nor ever feel slightly awkward about sporadically retuning, so there’s that!

Because I adore a virtually uncensored platform because I swear and truly I am immune to paranoia as secure as a cliche lol like…safe or, Forte! I avoid resortful cliches both naturally and intentionally where be

However the so called FOS, figure of speech. I use them all as actually an English Language expert by nature, but never aiming for pedantic IMO perfectionism there which truthfully is like brakes on a fast imagination.

Because seriously every legit English old generally, because it’s principles which have always been and still, figure of speech, has an exact rounded distinct situational meaning, an origin a reason and therefore one day- a valid use.


I doubt I use naturally same FOS more than once a fake moon lol because reality offers endless new experiences and I find of I bet a thousand or more FOS’s they each have their rightful place and time where there is no cliche in it at all.



Shucks. Lost my point sorry and (phew? lol)


Just been dabbing lovely Laughing Gas Crumble after Amnesia Haze Crumble, strong Sativa then proper Indica just considered…. See I mix match like a Catwalker lol.


But several sativa dabs then same indica hour later, or vice versa always works for me.





Anyway. Exstacy. I joined here to ask questions, suggest points, contribute because I possess a very sharp transgressional mind capable of visually walking through past experiences even feeling them if I wish.


And no boasting nothing big but I had to step forward as one example, I took as much original MDMA, MDA, MDE 90’s or 2005, when I believe the production suddenly changed suitably for me lol, as anybody here surely.

At least who isn’t evidently at least somewhat delinquent no offence anyone lol cos if taking 10-30 OG pills weekly was 1% as damaging as the current LTR thread would make you believe….


I’m just an intellectual cabbage.


So a side point, not just relating to the actual quality and efficacy of the MDMA on the market today but these reports of such tragic consequence in the LTC thread from such minor use is also very peculiar and maybe another signal relating to this debate I strongly feel.



Because because people people everywhere still, fact, report major dissatisfaction with their pills or MDMA.

Like it’s a needle in a haystack almost.


I saw some crazy ideas posited arguing it wasn’t the product which changed but something in the people. Bs to that though I know collective consciousness alters obviously.


Still I don’t give a f. Our ecstasy worked! Always and forever. Never felt messed up slightly after or in life from legit clean

For ages. I can’t conceive. I couldn’t conceive of these discussions springing up in the first place through those eras.

And yet obviously gaining tolerance, “loss of magic!” (Which never even dawned upon myself despite despite easily 3.5 thousand presses

Then we were extra lucky because by 1999 in UK at least when MDMA crystal and powder suddenly increasingly circulated the purity and quality was so high here up until 2005


Forcing the press manufacturers to stamp stamp over 125 mg OG pills MDA/E and MA am I? Individually pure we would get.


For reference again 120 mg’s clean MD up is like original 90’s Doves, Diamonds, Dolphins dolphins etc etc.


No way bros also could 280 mg’s today, match 280 then. A double drop like that was nuts!



So pure enough MDMA became increasingly available until I stopped in 2005.


Every party/rave feet away. I took a tonne of it off never a comedown or headfuck but still used good pills most weekends. £50 1000 ‘mg’s MDMA, or 8 125-180 mg clean pills then, for £20!


Leaving money for ketamine and skunk you get me.




So sorry I recklessly abused the hell out of all MD’s a decade. At least according to today’s unshakeable view.


Well I ain’t retarded that’s for sure just saying if it’s regularly correlated, most extreme should be most evident.



But today’s product must screw people up differently in potential short time it must.

As well as not satisfying the user?!? ???


You get some legit E damn any Elephant on Earth could not fail to feel more satisfied than it’s ever known lol.


So smoke L R & C is simply enough.


Maybe maybe it’s too soon or misdirection asking WHAT’s wrong with today’s MDMA like we are actually Nobel winners lol

And acknowledge yes it cannot be equal. And an original stance to the discussion, until some information emerges hopefully.


Because if everyone out there took what we took, press wise just examples like Ferrari pills- one of the best

Big Elephant shaped crumbly Elephants.

Original AND legit Mitsubishi’s’s after they were fast mass counterfeited right after first appearance late 1996

Doves dolphins Californian Sunrisers, oh tasty Smiley Faces, all car brands lol (except TT never liked)

Bentley’s! Were special af. Tiny, blue ones and yellow a circled B.


Just 2 would stink of saffrole from 4 foot.


The effect was both transcendental and utopia.


“On top of the world” really is the right figure of speech, without dips dives mini mood swings.


Zero work just a right jaw shuddering loved up Cheshire Cat.


I mean. Nobody wouldn’t feel the same though it’s still a conscious experience so sorry not being in mood at all still could seem to nullify the original extract especially it’s effect being so clean not just thrown on top on top.


And again, I considered nothing of binging 3/4/5….11 days straight often.


Neither did so many others, and not only am I alright there at least, but no way did the magic ever fade.


Bottom line. Today’s exstacy cannot at least everywhere, nearly match the captivating truly magical experience of past else this thread cannot exist!


And loss of magic was such a mute and unfortunate scapegoat at stages.


Yes the Earth has lost it’s magic via climate hacking too add 800 % higher density EMF population targeted technology. I still love my weed though get super high.

 

[AutoTripper]

This video is pretty recent or I wouldn't share it... It covers some of what has been discussed here without getting seriously bogged down by conjecture.

I especially like the last 5 minutes.

I still feel “something” the blue moon I see an image of an old school e.

In the first bad of 4 it has a distinctly shaped one always well laminated not crumbly, about as high as wide which I used to call “tower block” pills, commonly very decent Mitsubishis or Euros. Does stir memories.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

"Double stack" or w/e -- I remember that trick from the early 2000's.

haha "Cmon man trade me that mscontin 100 for this vicodin -- look how much bigger the vicodin is, im hookin it up here!"

Ultimately this thread does feel like it could be a wasteland on the chicken or egg phenomenon -- Did the E get shitty or did your ability to roll get diminished? (Sorry if I interrupted the chemist folk on that front - when I see ? marks I presume ppl WANT answers)......counter opinions if they exist at least

 

[AutoTripper]

"Double stack" or w/e -- I remember that trick from the early 2000's.

haha "Cmon man trade me that mscontin 100 for this vicodin -- look how much bigger the vicodin is, im hookin it up here!"

Ultimately this thread does feel like it could be a wasteland on the chicken or egg phenomenon -- Did the E get shitty or did your ability to roll get diminished? (Sorry if I interrupted the chemist folk on that front - when I see ? marks I presume ppl WANT answers)......counter opinions if they exist at least

Just on that no chance. Admittedly I haven’t used any exstscy since May 2005, by life chance then madly bang on the cusp as well.

Though and I am confident this was a deliberate piss take, huge batches of very shit pills circulated early 2005, really didn’t feel like proper ecstasy.

And you know what they were called? Mickey f Mouses lol, not even Mickey Mice.



I was able to take crazy amounts of clean LSD on off over the years up until 2023 never again now done that.

There was nothing missing or lost in it and we definitely don’t even have the sparks for a “what’s wrong with LSD these days thread”

Cannabis again. Simply works. People get just as merry on wine at least as far as collective (in)happiness permits.

So I’ll never buy the magic loss you see. Is different product clearly simple.



Barrels as well. Big tower block blue ones just remembered.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

It was not a 'piss take' --- NOR DIRECTED AT YOU as much as the whole thread

Wait..... "So I’ll never buy the magic loss you see. Is different product clearly simple."

I disagree and will rest that case there. Loss of magic with MDMA is as real as magic with mdma

 

[AutoTripper]

It was not a 'piss take' --- NOR DIRECTED AT YOU as much as the whole thread

Wait..... "So I’ll never buy the magic loss you see. Is different product clearly simple."

I disagree and will rest that case there. Loss of magic with MDMA is as real as magic with mdma

Hold on, a crossed wire possibly? I was referring to the Mickey Mouse producers taking the piss out of us at the time in light of what was around the bend because those pills did a lot but truly seemed like very poor copycats at best you see.

On no level was I referring to you.

Just on magic loss. I accept it off. I knew, met folks this was my other point. Magic loss is about as old as exstacy itself at least several years after it became widely popular,

This I never dispute just emphasise I was fortunately immune to it myself.

But we all knew of that existing phenomenon affecting some not all. Yet still no question of the quality and efficacy definitely everybody not succumbed to magic loss.


So it’s nothing new and I can’t believe without its regular causes aka prolonged frequent use or abuse, it increases by year like eczema among teens.

On considered logical grounds I feel it’s a misleading line that’s all.

Sorry if you caught the wrong end of my stick though likely, I’m the confused one lol. Too sleep deprived only 1.5 hours last 2 days and nights.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

Loss of magic with MDMA is as real as magic with mdma

To a certain extent that is true, but it's also a convenient 'get out clause' for producers of shit MDMA.

I thought I'd well and truly lost the magic, until I found some that was truly magical again. Every now and then, the good stuff appears, which proves that it's not your brain chemistry that's at fault, it's the fuckin drugs...

 

[unodelacosa]

Who would one contact to get a hospital "audited?" for quality?

Well one could start with the Joint Commission. They evaluate healthcare organizations to ensure they meet high standards of quality and safety. They also provide accreditation and certification for hospitals and other healthcare facilities.

Also, there's the National Committee for Quality Assurance (NCQA) who focus on improving healthcare quality through accreditation and quality assessment. They offer various accreditation programs and quality improvement initiatives for health plans and providers.

The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) also has quality reporting programs that can provide insights into hospital performance. Also, Local and State Health Departments may have additional resources or requirements for hospital quality audits. These organizations play a crucial role in ensuring that hospitals maintain high standards of care and safety for patients.

What is your definition of rare?

"Not occurring very often"

Absolute power tends to corrupt absolutely. How many areas only have one major hospital?

Being the only hospital in an area is not the absolute power you seem to think it is. In sufficiently rural areas, the population may not be adequate to support and staff a second hospital, particularly when there's already a healthcare worker shortage. You're talking about it like you've uncovered some hidden monopoly ran by a secret cabal of evildoers. The truth is much simpler and less sinister.

As mentioned these things dont get reported

Not sure why you think this, but hospitals absolutely get reported. What are you basing your assumption on?

you know better than to sue the only place you can go to help when your health buckles.

They can't, and won't, deny you medical care because of a lawsuit. This would expose them to additional legal problems, and ultimately they're trying to turn a profit, not get into pissing contests with its patients. I will sue the brakes off a hospital and do so with zero fear of corporate retaliation if I have a real case. And you should, too. Don't take any guff from these swine!

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

Well one could start with the Joint Commission. They evaluate healthcare organizations to ensure they meet high standards of quality and safety. They also provide accreditation and certification for hospitals and other healthcare facilities.

Also, there's the National Committee for Quality Assurance (NCQA) who focus on improving healthcare quality through accreditation and quality assessment. They offer various accreditation programs and quality improvement initiatives for health plans and providers.

The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) also has quality reporting programs that can provide insights into hospital performance. Also, Local and State Health Departments may have additional resources or requirements for hospital quality audits. These organizations play a crucial role in ensuring that hospitals maintain high standards of care and safety for patients.

Thank you

"Not occurring very often"

fair - stupid question I guess. I would argue it is not 'rare' but statistics will refute that and that is currently the best objective evidence we have so I concede that to being an 'unfounded' opinion/educated guess.

Being the only hospital in an area is not the absolute power you seem to think it is. In sufficiently rural areas, the population may not be adequate to support and staff a second hospital, particularly when there's already a healthcare worker shortage. You're talking about it like you've uncovered some hidden monopoly ran by a secret cabal of evildoers. The truth is much simpler and less sinister.

Haha don't paint me out as a conspiracy theorist I do not think it is an evil cabal. They have been sued for being a monopoly and somehow won --- I guess you can drive 8 hours downstate if you want?

I admit this is an anectdotal case. The population is MORE THAN SUFFICIENT as there is a university that pumps out almost soley nurses and CJ majors (Of course the other fields exist but the vast majority are those two) so they have a rotating staff of people that are eager to work for nothing. I had a cousin quit because the O.R they wanted her to clean had a flesh eating (bacteria? I wanna say) with no cure -- that had killed a couple patients and staff members.

Had a friend go there with pneumonia and leave paralyzed from the waist down as they somehow managed to infect his spine -- they flew him to a different state to cover they asses. He was gunna sue -- no lawyer will take that case around here.

Again you do not sue the people you ultimately have to trust to save your life.

The truth is a mix between capitalism, incompetence, and people being people basically -- taking the path of least resistance even if it may be at others expense. Desensitization occurs, it becomes okay to threaten patients with ECT --- and if you don't go through with it every now and than everyone knows you bluffing. (That is an extreme but in my observation true example)

Not sure why you think this, but hospitals absolutely get reported. What are you basing your assumption on?

Coming from a place where I know someone who has had their human rights violated by said hospital and been unable to find recourse. Again I thank you for the links above. The lawyer we spoke with, about the only one that would even talk about it "IF you are telling the truth it is a slam dunk case; but you would have to pay me enough to never have to work in this area again"

Not an assumption as much as having tried (and watch others) try the traditional routes and fail - or be shot down before they could start over and over again.

They can't, and won't, deny you medical care because of a lawsuit. This would expose them to additional legal problems, and ultimately they're trying to turn a profit, not get into pissing contests with its patients. I will sue the brakes off a hospital and do so with zero fear of corporate retaliation if I have a real case. And you should, too. Don't take any guff from these swine!

No they cannot DENY you medical care --- if you thought your care was subjective and perhaps verging on the edge of malpractice before, wait till you see what you get now! You are correct in theory getting into pissing contests with patients cannot be great business -- they did lose ONE lawsuit in the late 90s --- other than that they are undefeated though.

I would love too --- I have the "Can't fight city hall" from inside the city problem currently though -- couldn't afford to move before --- now I can't afford to stay. (So maybe they do get hit with a suit after I downgrade and move!)

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

To a certain extent that is true, but it's also a convenient 'get out clause' for producers of shit MDMA.

I thought I'd well and truly lost the magic, until I found some that was truly magical again. Every now and then, the good stuff appears, which proves that it's not your brain chemistry that's at fault, it's the fuckin drugs...

Damn it that means I do gotta read and attempt to understand the more complicated nuances of synth. Cant a molecule just be a molecule? Morphine is always Morphine? Ehh I dont understand nearly enough to go there

@AutoTripper -- CORRECT. Crossed wire, my bad. I should know to get enough context...

 

[Didgital]

I still feel “something” the blue moon I see an image of an old school e.

That is what is described at end of video....

Youre feeling something from just a memory.

How could that NOT influence your perception of what MDMA feels like today..

 

[Didgital]

Cant a molecule just be a molecule?

A molecule is just a molecule.

Half this thread is conjecture from people guessing. I ignore most of it.

For example, polymorphs do not change in how they interact w receptors. So why talk about them.

They may differ in bioavailability and pharmacodynamics but polymorphs are the exact same molecule stacked differently.

 

[notsmokeymcpot42088]

If both those premises are true we are talking THC V THC-A basically? THC-A is 87% or whatever but its still THC when ya get it. (That is reductionist but I dont know chemistry well enough for an apples to apples metaphor)

So some synths may produce mdma that like 95mg is = to 100mg from a different synth but still the same molecule and same high? (Of course I made those #'s up)

 

[Didgital]

If both those premises are true we are talking THC V THC-A basically? THC-A is 87% or whatever but its still THC when ya get it. (That is reductionist but I dont know chemistry well enough for an apples to apples metaphor)

So some synths may produce mdma that like 95mg is = to 100mg from a different synth but still the same molecule and same high? (Of course I made those #'s up)

Nope. THC and THCa are different molecules with diffefent effects if you consume them orally.

Heating THCa decarboxylates (the carboxcylic acid turns into co2 and breaks off THC so youre left with THC. This is why THCa is legally available. Its a loophole.

They are different drugs and have different effects if consumed orally.

 

[unodelacosa]

So some synths may produce mdma that like 95mg is = to 100mg from a different synth but still the same molecule and same high? (Of course I made those #'s up)

This is not possible. A molecule, such as MDMA hydrochloride, is made up of individual atoms, each with a consistent atomic weight that collectively add up to the molecular weight which in turn determines the weight of the drug. You cannot produce MDMA such that "95 mg is = to 100 mg" because that's not equal. Think about it: in math, 95 = 95, right? So 95 mg = 95 mg, plain and simple. It cannot magically suddenly have the effect of 5 additional milligrams as that violates a basic Newtonian physics Law regarding the conservation of energy and matter.

 

[Didgital]

This is not possible. A molecule, such as MDMA hydrochloride, is made up of individual atoms, each with a consistent atomic weight that collectively add up to the molecular weight which in turn determines the weight of the drug. You cannot produce MDMA such that "95 mg is = to 100 mg" because that's not equal. Think about it: in math, 95 = 95, right? So 95 mg = 95 mg, plain and simple. It cannot magically suddenly have the effect of 5 additional milligrams as that violates a basic Newtonian physics Law regarding the conservation of energy and matter.

They possibly getting confused about salt forms of MDMA. Which i ignore regarding purity. 99.99% MDMA HCL is 99.99% pure MDMA HCL. Its not 87% pure MDMA (because the HCL males up 13% of the mass of MDMA-HCL

 

[fuckabout89]

It's still about as challenging to obtain the same starting precursor from the 80s and 90s (read: sassafras oil), .... yeah right

I can still obtain safrole in bulk in the USA no problems NMR confirmed ... Penta manufacturing sold it like 5 years ago under the more cryptic name same with Nitroethane

Just because most can't doesn't mean it isn't still around it definitely is. I think it's still available on the world's largest auction site

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You can still make meh MDMA, and I can still source LITERS for under $20-40 a liter ebay nor Penta is the only sources I've found. I've found about 5-6 sources.

Problem is your now immediately being watched by the DEA buying that.