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What is wrong with the MDMA available today? - v2

This was the SAME DAMN CAP I took 2 weeks earlier at the other festival I wrote about a couple posts back, and this time I got straight BLASTED, way way way higher. Like, I felt like I could hardly breathe or stand on the comeup & 1 of my friends was actually kinda worried about me, almost took myself to the "sanctuary" to check myself:hypno: I haven't gotten eye wiggles in years, which seemed to be literally triggered by when the stage lasers were really popping off.
Nystagmus ☞ the eye-wiggles. Quite a few drugs can trigger Nystagmus, and it's rarely recognized by the subject, but can be observed by others. For example, when a police officer performs a field sobriety test on someone suspected of drunk driving, they often ask the person to hold their head still and track the officer's finger with only their eyes. When the officer moves their finger to either side of your head, that officer is watching the eyes for signs of Nystagmus, evidence the person was drinking. Personally, I like it when MDMA causes me nystagmus and at the same time LSD is causing everything moving to have long trails. So my eyes go jitter-jitter-jitter and my field of vision gets partially blurred by trailing colors seen everywhere.

At any rate, thanks for sharing this story. I find it especially interesting and pertinent to the conversation here. I'm curious – what do you think is the reason why two weeks prior when you took the same MDMA you didn't have the same effect as this time, aforementioned. Is your theory just that it comes down to stimulation? I would be inclined to agree save for the fact that I've had MDMA experiences where I was not in a particularly stimulating environment but still rolled my goddamn tits off. And I've been at shows with incredible lights and production values, whilst rolling, but wound up with a lackluster experience, drug-wise. It's kinda baffling.

The sunday 100mg dose was more under control, obviously more relaxed by then and I braced myself for that same comeup. But same thing, once the jangle of a comeup is over & I feel calm+grounded (I just have to walk by myself for a while)
Yeah I have to do this sometimes myself. Mushrooms really fuck me up this way to where I sometimes will just go sit in the bathroom for ten minutes or so just to get a grip on my come-up, so to speak.

getting near a stage thats really going off, this is basically me, the rest is history:
wolf GIF

Hilarious, I love old school Tex Avery cartoons.
 
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Nystagmus ☞ the eye-wiggles. Quite a few drugs can trigger Nystagmus, and it's rarely recognized by the subject, but can be observed by others. For example, when a police officer performs a field sobriety test on someone suspected of drunk driving, they often ask the person to hold their still and track their finger with only their eyes. When the officer takes his finger to either side of your head, that officer is watching the eyes for signs of Nystagmus, evidence the person was drinking. Personally, I like it when MDMA causes me nystagmus and at the same time, LSD is causing everything moving to have long trails. So my eyes go jitter-jitter-jitter and my field of vision gets partially blurred by trailing colors seen everywhere.

At any rate, thanks for sharing this story. I find it especially interesting and pertinent to the conversation here. I'm curious – what do you think is the reason why two weeks prior when you took the same MDMA you didn't have the same effect as this time, aforementioned. Is your theory just that it comes down to stimulation? I would be inclined to agree save for the fact that I've had MDMA experiences where I was not in a particularly stimulating environment but still rolled my goddamn tits off. And I've been at shows with incredible lights and production values, whilst rolling, but wound up with a lackluster experience, drug-wise. It's kinda baffling.


Yeah I have to do this sometimes myself. Mushrooms really fuck me up this way to where I sometimes will just go sit in the bathroom for ten minutes or so just to get a grip on my come-up, so to speak.

For me, it feels especially sound related... To me its a let down if the lights & production is great but the sound is average or worse. When the sound & the tune selection is perfect, thats just always when I roll the hardest (this is something that can be easily sussed out before getting to rolling anyways). It's just euphoric on the mind & body, + as i mentioned before I think getting your heartrate up makes you roll a lot harder, sort of feeds into it. Good, punchy sound gets me (and ppl i observe) moving. Once I'm rolling my energy levels are up & down depending on the music (+other production) & how much I'm vibing with the people around me.

And without music, just socializing, I'm not sure if for me MDMA feels particularly stimulating on its own, it becomes quite calm. Having close friends with me is important... I'm not sure I would take MDMA at a festival if I wasn't with good friends, I would feel subdued, and having friends I can hug & tell them how much I love them (& vice versa) is a good release. Theres that point after I finish the comeup where I NEED to find my friends & go dance.

Compared to the other festival, the music there just wasn't as compelling to me, much less production, and focused on a softer, deeper sound. I like deep music, but on a big bassy sound system, it can devolve into this massive rumble that the drums get lost in, this tends to make me want to sit down. Environmentally, the prior festival is more mature & less ravey, I don't think I interacted with anyone I didn't already know. I still rolled well at the 1st festival, had a great night, but it wasn't this overwhelmingly intoxicated feeling; was the 1st time in ages I'd handled my comeup in the crowd. This is normally not possible, and absolutely was not this past weekend. The 2nd festival I checked my pupils one of the nights, (can't remember, big time MDMA amnesia those nights) and it was full saucers & I was seeing full saucers everywhere. I didn't check them at the 1st festival but nobody in my group had the fully big pupils, I keep an eye out for this for years now.

Surely, it feels like this could be brute forced to some good extent just by increasing dose; I'm sure if I just went to the bar down the block & took 1.5x my normal dose, I'd be destroyed. Just, it might not be that pleasant?

OH, thats another thing, this has happened too many times; randoms in the crowd demanding a whippit from me KILLS the roll until they fuck off:rofl:. Generally, bad vibes cause the roll to dip. Even minor things, like a friend taking longer than you expected to come back from the bathroom its like stuck in your head until they're back.

So, out of the 4 rolls this summer (100mg, 100mg+LSD, 100mg+LSD, 100mg+LSD), my takeaways are A.) stimulation of all types is key, and B.) LSD or any other psychedelic potentiates the crap out of MDMA.
 
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Wait, what? Why is this happening? That's not normal. Are you walking around with a nitrous tank strapped to your back or something? Lol

This is what I was also wondering.. lol.

I’m gonna guess Hilos the type to be popping em off every couple minutes. The Jedi master type that can somehow hang onto 5 balloons while balls deep in the wah wahs. ;)

On a related note I’ve noticed a major uptick in nitrous use at festivals. People seem to love to sit in a chair K-holing then hit the dispenser once in awhile.

I actually had my first nitrous experience in maybe 10yrs at a festival not long. It was funny as fuck cuz I got all excited about it like “damn now I finally get this shit!” Everyone was laughing cuz I was saying it all in the deep nitrous voice.

Nitrous is only good while on a psychedelic I now realize, and I don’t ever like to use it while rolling cuz it’ll kill the roll for me.

-GC
 
1st multiday festival since before da pandemic, woo-hoo!

As always my only credentials are lotsa ppl taking MDMA I know to be perfectly fine. But all falsified if I actually don't, and we actually got dog shit, & don't know it;)

Setting aside my most confident hunches about the MDMA itself ("synthesis byproduct" going undetected & at the very least watering down the potency of the dose-weight you took), I'm further & further convinced this stuff is highly highly highly sensitive to set & setting just as much or more than a psych.

This festival is primarily trying to be on a bit more of a legacy ting when it comes to the "bass music", we joke DJ's have to sign a contract to not play abrasive music. Lots of old skool house, techno, breaks, deep dubstep, halftime, footwork, jungle, you name it. With a metric fuck ton of sub bass. This dope & very unique for NA, but this comes at the expense of high energy, punchy midrange tunes. You are often lost in just a wall of rumbly sub bass, sometimes clouding the rest of the music, energy in the crowd dips really low, its palpable & the bassweight alone loses its wow factor after not too long. It's a rare occasion for something properly "hard" to come on. But when it does, you see the crowd come alive, & ppl standup.

I am now CONVINCED that high energy, punchy music with lots of activity in the midrange makes MDMA work. I took MDMA on the sunday, same-dose-same-stuff as always, and was completely unable to roll for like 90 min after my comeup had fully ended. Until, the hardest DNB set of the weekend at like 3AM, there was actual hard punch in the drums & the crunchy bass sounds were so euphoric. During this set myself, and so many ppl I was with (and observing), just were totally activated. You watch people just POP UP and yell when a banger would come on; become part of the environment vs. spectator mode:headbang:. And when that set was done, back to deep-heady-droning hip-hoppy beats, which is still nice, but the energy was gone again, as soon as it started. I've discussed this with a few of my closer friends and they experienced the same thing this weekend.

The caveat here is that, while I have my theories about the physical-sonic effects music (esp on a big system) has on people more (sub)consciously, but more importantly, you want music YOU like. Pick something with energy & play it loud, not saying neuro drum n bass is the solution to your problems, but it might be conceptually. Ever since the 1st day I took MDMA 12 years ago, it was like sound is being hardwired into my brain, if its full of exciting frequencies I become that way; I start jammin, heart rate goes up, grinning, eyes dilate-> gurn->eye wiggle-> hugz, the rest is history. Otherwise I kind of end up in this emo-ish slump w/ a heart 2 heart here n there?? The tension-breaking effect that hard or high energy music provides seems to propel me forward emotionally & energetically.

& just in general, at this sort of festival I see a lot less ppl just gurning the fuck out to hard music (y'know, where you're like now THAT guy is on one), surely MDMA is still one of the most common things people are taking, but I see a shift towards junktivising on coke, ket & alcohol for long long long hours. Seeing the ppl who take MDMA eventually fuk off to bed, or succumb to fracking like the rest of em & continue the binge.

At this point, I see almost no coincidence that the notably hardest times I've rolled were the most buckwild scenarios; insane sound, insane tunes, insane lights/production value, surrounded by the best people, NO bad vibes. As in, the idea that I perceived these scenarios as just that good was BECAUSE of the MDMA itself, not the other way around, seems so much more farfetched after having this same batch for this long. Good MDMA is not gonna magically make a bad show a good one.

Analyzing this MDMA "problem" as a dialectic between just the self & the substance is an incomplete analysis, and totally falls prey to the same problems with pop psychology & capitalist western ideas about mental health (individualism, "You are a unique brain w/ unique problems in a vat, and just aren't taking the right thing yet").
MDMA and DXM are two drugs that need music, movies, or conversations to make them "spark" into the full experience.

They are EVENT drugs. You have to DO something. Creating the experience is part of the experience, it isn't simply a ride. It's an interactive amplifier for media and social connections.

Taking an event-type drug at home alone with nothing going on and no media or art happening at the moment is like complaining you got in your car and it didn't take you anywhere. Of course the car didn't take you anywhere, the car only receive input from the driver, it's not a horse.


(Psychedelics are the horse, i suppose)
 
Taking an event-type drug at home alone with nothing going on and no media or art happening at the moment is like complaining you got in your car and it didn't take you anywhere. Of course the car didn't take you anywhere, the car only receive input from the driver, it's not a horse.
(Psychedelics are the horse, i suppose)
I thought heroin is the horse, and charlie is cocaine making the term "charlie horse" = a speedball.
 
Taking an event-type drug at home alone with nothing going on and no media or art happening at the moment is like […]
… it's like buying a ticket for Comic-Con, getting into full-on cosplay gear, but then just staying home instead of going out and having fun.

With the car metaphor, yeah idk, but then would that make smoking DMT equivalent to going for a ride in a self-driving interdimensional spaceship?
 
… it's like buying a ticket for Comic-Con, getting into full-on cosplay gear, but then just staying home instead of going out and having fun.

With the car metaphor, yeah idk, but then would that make smoking DMT equivalent to going for a ride in a self-driving interdimensional spaceship?
I never found DMT to be that profound to be honest. Was it neat? Yeah. But I found DMT to honestly be short lived and because of that it ultimately just seemed like a bunch of random nonsense my brain came up with. Mescaline and LSD were far more interesting in my humble opinion. At least with longer acting psychedelics there is enough time in that headspace to assign some meaning to your mind-vomit.

Speaking of opinions look at this goddamn rant that poured outta me:



I don't really consider psychedelics to be "sacred" at this point in my life. Medicines? Yeah sure, they're good for creativity and psychological growth but a lot of people seem to be infatuated with them and thankfully that's something I've grown out of. The neat part about tripping is spending time with myself in a new light. Other drugs produce more consistent and useful effects, psychedelics just feel like the equivalent of getting drunk but in a more mental sense rather than just becoming "wasted" on a bodily level. It's not making you smarter, more enlightened or better at anything, you're just high, your senses are flooded with extra information that is normally filtered out, and common assumption is that this extra information is meaningful, which is largely a misstep of wishful human thinking lol.

I've had more interesting ideas using psychedelics hedonistically than "respectfully." Take em and see what happens, don't assume that you're going to be recieving a goddamn essay from Jesus and Buddha. You might find yourself thinking more about technology, the financial system, interpersonal dynamics, corporate power or recipes for noodles, these are all as valid as some guy thinking about "The Universe and God." In fact unlike that guy, you might end up doing something productive and tangibly beneficial with your "trip concepts" once you come down.

Philosophy is cool but it doesn't put food on the table or money in the bank for most of us.

(And this is coming from someone who likes tripping, it's fun, it brings people together. Just like alcohol. I have simply become wary of people who have little else in life to lean on and make a big deal about how these drugs make them "better.")
 
Last time i have taken MDMA was late 90-ies....and always was really good.Sooo goood memories.
why in gods name would you wanna try sub par commercial modern X then bruh?

i was too young to roll in the 90's i was just a boy, and i have been fortunate to not have run into any bad modern product, i assume it's cause i'm not a regular enough of a user to have had that stroke of bad luck. tho I did roll almost every week, often multiple times a week during 2020 lockdowns lol.
 
why in gods name would you wanna try sub par commercial modern X then bruh?
Don’t buy into that shit and please don’t perpetuate it, either. There has been good shit, not-so-good shit, and fake shit for a long time now, even in the 90s.

i was too young to roll in the 90's i was just a boy, and i have been fortunate to not have run into any bad modern product, i assume it's cause i'm not a regular enough of a user to have had that stroke of bad luck. tho I did roll almost every week, often multiple times a week during 2020 lockdowns lol.
There ya go!
 
Wait, what? Why is this happening? That's not normal. Are you walking around with a nitrous tank strapped to your back or something? Lol

Just a lil dancefloor handheld nos cracker, some ppl see you with it & will not hesitate "CAN I HAVE A WHIPPET" up in your face when you're clearly having a 1 on 1 with the music. I used to try to be nice now I just shake my head n scream no no no no no no no no
 
This is what I was also wondering.. lol.

I’m gonna guess Hilos the type to be popping em off every couple minutes. The Jedi master type that can somehow hang onto 5 balloons while balls deep in the wah wahs. ;)

On a related note I’ve noticed a major uptick in nitrous use at festivals. People seem to love to sit in a chair K-holing then hit the dispenser once in awhile.

I actually had my first nitrous experience in maybe 10yrs at a festival not long. It was funny as fuck cuz I got all excited about it like “damn now I finally get this shit!” Everyone was laughing cuz I was saying it all in the deep nitrous voice.

Nitrous is only good while on a psychedelic I now realize, and I don’t ever like to use it while rolling cuz it’ll kill the roll for me.

-GC

It's definitely gotten more socially acceptable. My friends & I got into it ~2016, and depending where we were at, people see a cracker and were shocked. To be fair, it is an imposing item on the dancefloor. I disguise mine with stickers, looks like a water bottle. And if you're not throwing your trash on the ground security usually won't bother ya.

That interesting you say that, my friends & I feel we've pinpointed "the crazy whippet" with specifically MDMA, or at least more on the end of MDMA than psychedelics in terms of this, shocking out of body experience you can have. MDMA alone (or w/ a psych), I can "go to that place" with nitrous, on psychdelics alone, it can tend to just go freaky/weird when trying to go deeper on it. I don't tend to go there anymore though, whatever "entity" that exists in the candyflip triple-balloon seems a bit more displeased each time I try to return. This combo led to the most life changing experience(s) of my life in 2017, but it feels as if the message was delivered. These days, I just fill a balloon and hit it when theres an extra nice tune coming on, just embrace the reality I'm in & feel the love.

The festivals nights where I do 50+, always was due to the MDMA, versus psych I'll have a balloon every now & then & have to be sort of cautious to not get weirded out. Part of this is that it totally reactivates the roll for me, and the duration of whippet seems to last much longer. But, with the MDMA it definitely becomes very moreish, but I become this way with nicotine as well on MDMA... All these things just become way more pleasurable/appealing when rolling. I'm not sure theres anything more pleasurable in this world than MDMA+nos:In love:

Probably comes with experience, but I almost never sit when doing nitrous in the crowd, too easy to dissociate. I get why people do, cause safety especially if you're not experienced, but most of us use nos to blast the MDMA back into action & dance for a few minutes. I think the "blastoff" of nitrous has something to do with those delirious MDMA after hours, like the brain becomes highly suggestible & in the moment. Being on my feet keeps my grounded & confident in the experience. Toss LSD in the mix, and it can be even more energetic/profound to repeatedly dance & disappear into the sonic ether for hours on end.

Kind of along the lines of this topic, nos needs stimulus. If I try to minimize stimulus to go deep on nitrous, the entity seems to frustratingly ask me, why are you trying to leave this beautiful reality around you? Exist in the now or I'll show you the hard way (usually, presenting a twisted version of reality). NOTHING freakier than lying down on a psych & doing a whippit in the dark & silence, seriously spooky.
 
why in gods name would you wanna try sub par commercial modern X then bruh?

i was too young to roll in the 90's i was just a boy, and i have been fortunate to not have run into any bad modern product, i assume it's cause i'm not a regular enough of a user to have had that stroke of bad luck. tho I did roll almost every week, often multiple times a week during 2020 lockdowns lol.
I would try whatever what i could find....just got no choise.live in rural area from a long time,don't know anyone who sell mdma anymore.Here we got only weed(not easy to find also) and a lot of cheap strong meth,which i don't use anymore.Even have no idea what is modern version of this old X tablets,that i have taken in da 90,when i was in my 20....they were wonderful.effect was short-2-3 hours max and never had any issue with them.Take it only at underground jungle music parties-once in a month
 
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I never found DMT to be that profound to be honest
Are you absolutely 100% sure you’ve had a full ego death, reality-swap breakthrough DMT experience? The reason I ask is bc I’ve met ppl who said the same thing, and they knew a lot about most, but when we got down to it, discovered both she and her friend had simply underestimated DMT, overestimated their eyed-out doses, and weren’t taking big enough hits.

Nah, you seem like you know what you’re doin. I guess you’re just hard to impress. And also everyone’s idea of profundity is not the same, I’m discovering.

How about 5-MeO-DMT? Not the toad secretion, which is largely 5-HO-DMT with some of the 5-MeO alkaloid, but the raw stuff. It’s interesting—if not profound 😉—in an entirely different way from n,n-DMT.

If the length of time bothers you, there is always changa and/or pharmahuasca. In both cases, they contain an MAOI to modify and lengthen the duration of effects. Please note: this cannot be used in conjunction with any other drugs as MAOIs might interact with them adversely, potentially lethally. I think you already knew all this too, probably, but maybe it’s helping someone else instead. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Are you absolutely 100% sure you’ve had a full ego death, reality-swap breakthrough DMT experience? The reason I ask is bc I’ve met ppl who said the same thing, and they knew a lot about most, but when we got down to it, discovered both she and her friend had simply underestimated DMT, overestimated their eyed-out doses, and weren’t taking big enough hits.

Nah, you seem like you know what you’re doin. I guess you’re just hard to impress. And also everyone’s idea of profundity is not the same, I’m discovering.

How about 5-MeO-DMT? Not the toad secretion, which is largely 5-HO-DMT with some of the 5-MeO alkaloid, but the raw stuff. It’s interesting—if not profound 😉—in an entirely different way from n,n-DMT.

If the length of time bothers you, there is always changa and/or pharmahuasca. In both cases, they contain an MAOI to modify and lengthen the duration of effects. Please note: this cannot be used in conjunction with any other drugs as MAOIs might interact with them adversely, potentially lethally. I think you already knew all this too, probably, but maybe it’s helping someone else instead. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
In DMT's defense I likely haven't pushed the dose high enough or tried it enough times to write it off entirely, i just found it to be neat but not mind blowing the handful of times I've gotten to try it. There was nothing bad or boring about the experiences it just felt like an instant burst of psychedelic energy but I had experienced the same feeling with more nuance when using Phenethylamines. I generally prefer phens and ergoloids to trypts for what that's worth. Mushrooms for instance always feel somewhat dark and sobering, not really a fun time, but certainly therapeutic. I find tryptamines make me reflect on my family and personal life rather than reality at large. Sometimes it gets a little weird and I can see why people prefer that more mysterious ancient feeling tryptamines often provide.

The first Psychedelic Drug I took was 2C-E and for some reason it was really pleasant and profound but in a very electric and modern sense. I generally prefer drugs with a modern or futuristic vibe to things that feel ancient and tied to nature. Not that there's anything at all bad about those more grounded feeling psychedelics, they just seem to keep me tied to a more fundamental level of thought and feeling rather than sending me into almost manic thought streams about theoretical concepts.

They're all great tools I'm just blessed enough to be able to be a little picky with my preferences having access to many different flavors of psychedelics at this point in human history.

Never tried 5-meo DMT, would love to try it among other things. I have taken an almost 2 year break from psychedelics and am super happy to try them again whenever it happens next.
 
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I would try whatever what i could find....just got no choise.live in rural area from a long time,don't know anyone who sell mdma anymore.Here we got only weed(not easy to find also) and a lot of cheap strong meth,which i don't use anymore.Even have no idea what is modern version of this old X tablets,that i have taken in da 90,when i was in my 20....they were wonderful.effect was short-2-3 hours max and never had any issue with them.Take it only at underground jungle music parties-once in a month
I feel you dude. Well the good news is apparently quality is way up since 2020 in general from what I've heard. Really good stuff going around for the most part right now.
 
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