Yes, Marquis went straight to black without smoke.
Any purplish tint to it? Not that that guarantees anything, I just usually associate it with fire MDMA.
I've consumed about 3 g of 2C-B over the years, so I'm very familiar with its dose response curve.
I don't doubt this, and I too am
very familiar with this particular compound (2C-B). I guess
I'm surprised you get much out of an 8 mg dose, but the more I think about it…
2C-B is really good about not being very cross-tolerant with other psychedelics for whatever reason… Perhaps it's the affinity for 5HT2C over 5HT2A (IIRC). Yeah, I dunno, man…
Btw, this is how I knew you were European most likely, because in North America we reverse the roll of the comma and the period (or “full stop” in British parlance) in math. Or, err, I mean:
maths.
I tried to flip with MDMA+150 mcg AL-LAD+30 mg 2C-B insufflated.
I suppose you prefer AL-LAD to LSD or it's just more available to you? Also:
how do you tolerate insufflation of 2C-B? Even the hydrobromide fucking stings like a mofo… and the HCl is
like getting kicked in the face by a psychedelic horse.
All it did was making everything very cartoonish. No euphoria, no psychedelic head space, no tactile enhancement. Since than I don't want to waste a lot of material. Normally 8 mg of 2C-B insufflated has very apparent effects to me.
Yeah I suppose 8 mg—when insufflated—is bit more potent.
And I'm not the only one experiencing that MehDMA reduces/cancels the effects of 2C-B and other psychedelics.
Yeah but
we need concrete evidence that's consistently reproducible in a few established, respected labs. No offense, but all the anecdotal evidence in the world still doesn't prove anything scientifically, b/c once again:
correlation does not imply causation.
Though I've never combined real MDMA with 2C-B, the reports I've read (at least dated pre MehDMA) states a synergestic effect between the substances and recommends a lower dose of 2C-B than normal.
This is basically what Dr. Shulgin suggests in PiHKAL. He calls it "piggybacking" instead of the more common term for it: "candyflipping". There's also "trolling" which is a portmanteau of "tripping" and "rolling", and it means you took both drugs at the same time rather than pregame with the MDMA and then later drop the psychedelic – Shulgin's suggestion was 2C-B, but almost any psychedelic will do here.
However, for me, with both 2C-B and with LSD, I don't trip as hard as I normally do unless I bump the dosage up a little. I can only speculate it all has something to do with spent presynaptic 5-HT.
Others have reported the same phenomena in this thread as well as on reddit and other places. So it is not one persons report, albeit anecdotal. And it must be at least the forth time I experienced it (different batches of MDMA each time).
I'm sure these things are true and that there is a valid explanation. All I'm saying is: you don't know why for sure yet, because:
science. Also, how many reports are we talking about total here in your best estimate. I'm guessing it's not enough people to be clinically significant yet.
The dose was low, but I know that strength was OK from previous samplings. But I'm much less certain regarding the hypthesis that MehDMA inhibits the effect of ketamine. That's why I asked if someone can confirm.
And that's what I'm saying. I've had garbage-ass, shitty MehDMA that went black on the Marquis test (though I didn't send it to EC or anything), but was a super weak, lackluster, headache-inducing shitty rollercoaster of a high. But how could I possibly know if this imposter MDMA is the same as yours? Regardless if someone has or hasn't had the same experience of a lackluster MDMA roll followed by a seeming blockade of the actions of a disso, there are WAY to many other factors you can't rule out there.
I've never combined good MDMA with ketamine, so can't compare.
Well… fuck, can you get good MDA at least? I mean for chrissakes,
is the MDMA scene that fucked up in Europe?
But I think I've read that one should reduce the dosage of K when kitty flipping.
Most things are going to suggest this in order to err on the side of caution. If you're out in the club rolling and you do a couple key bumps of some good K, it makes your head blow up and you get all mashed face and mong-like, lol. It's a great time. So, that's true. But nothing is better than at the end of the night after rolling and/or tripping, to go to a friend's place or a safe afterparty and just K-hole like a bastard.
No, that is why I was surprised. It sure don't make sense.
Does it? Badly synthesized MDMA surely can contain many different synthesis byproducts in ratios varying from synth to synth.
Well aware. You should know that I've manufactured MDMA quite a bit in the past using two different techniques to produce MDP-2-P and then a preferred route to either MDA or MDMA (and even once a batch of MDE just for shits). There are a handful of other compounds I've synthesized as well – this was ~20 years ago – probably the most notable of which was DMMDA-2 and DMMDMA-2 from Indian Dill Seed oil's Dillapiole constituent. Higher boiling point than safrole, but otherwise the process was mostly the same to bring it to the ketone intermediate and then aminating it.
Assuming you've got real MDMA, no surpise you could hole.
I still can't fathom what kind of MDMA imposter substance could possibly blockade the action of Ketamine… Maybe a weird disso like 3-CL-PCP, I guess? Wouldn't feel much like MDMA though…
I was under the impression that most people reduce the amount of acid they take when candy-flipping due to synergy. But I've never candy-flipped (due to not being able to find real MDMA).
Well, I don't reduce the amount of a psychedelic I take following MDMA… and I've always found that I need a bit more. At the same time, the
effects themselves synergize nicely, but they don't potentiate each other necessarily. Does that make sense? Also, you might spell that word, "synergise" I'm guessing…Admittedly, the American way looks a little dumb, but oh well. I still think it's weird that the letter Z is called "Zee" in the U.S. and "Zed" in the U.K. …
I'm sure there's good MDMA around and my impression is that the bad stuff is more common in Europe (where I live). Most of what I've bought has ben advertised as Dutch, but that says nothing.
Yeah I know, it really doesn't mean shit. Dealers lie all the time about their sources and their product. Take a holiday to the states, mate, and check out a city with a thriving underground dance music scene like Los Angeles, New York, Miami, or Las Vegas. Find some reputable rolls and see if that doesn't seem obviously and clearly different. Or Australia and New Zealand seemingly have the connect on fire shit… Guess you might need to look outside your area and/or consider sourcing from somewhere other than the dark net markets, which are known for their sketchy characters (though admittedly, super goddamn useful)…
If a friend didn't experience the same, that would be my conclusion too.
Don't underestimate the power of placebo, suggestion, and shared “superconscious” experiences, if you will. I think it's wise to remain skeptical.
I still can roll on 3-FEA though.
Oh really? You roll on 3-FEA? I kinda dismissed it as another vaguely shitty stim like 4-FMA or 2-FA (however, note:
4-FA and
2-FMA are pretty good drugs though). Is the roll kinda like 4-FA, more like methylone, or pretty close to MDMA?
I do appreciate your skepticism. Keep it going!
Thanks for maintaining a good attitude while we disagree on the point. I admire someone who takes disagreement in stride.

As I've experienced real MDMA in 1987 & 2016, it should not be anything wrong with my metabolism, at least not genetic.
You rolled in 1987? Goddamn. What were you hanging out with Paul Oakenfold, Danny Rampling, and Nicky Holloway in Ibiza, monging out to acid house at
Heaven in Charing Cross? Let me find out you're Pete Tong, lol. Seriously though, that's
gotta be a good story…