What is wrong with the MDMA available today? - v2

[user666]

Well, so there you go. This could be the first objective proof of meh-MDMA's existence .

Unfortunately it would be an in-vivo test, that relies on pupil dilation measurement in controlled light conditions with:
1) meh-MDMA + 2CB
2) 2CB + meh-MDMA
3) magic-MDMA + 2CB
4) 2CB + magic-MDMA

...but still a valid test.

 

[Kl519]

Nothing is wrong with the mdma available today. Except for the same old problems.

 

[Delsyd]

When I was getting in to MDMA in the early 2000’s there were lots of people complaining about the “loss of magic”
I think this new MehDMA is just that, because there is plenty of good molly and pressies still around.
sure there are probably some bad batches around but it’s not the standard.

 

[ThreePointCircle]

Are there any mods on this thread?

 

[ThreePointCircle]

Question for the chemistry experts:

I was reading for example here that an impurity of a similar solubility could be removed by recrystalisation if there was sufficient difference in concentrations. Assuming (big assumption I know) that MDDMA HCL is the problem, I note that its solubility appears to be the same as MDMA HCL, at least for the solvents listed.

So could they be separated if the ratio was as high as 20:80? That article says the rule of thumb is 5 mol% or less but I was wondering if you could do it with repetitions.

 

[RainbowWarrior]

This thread was a great read! Kudos to indigoaura et al for the perspective and the perseverence through so many distractions!

I'm not much into MDMA myself because i'm really sensitive to the side effects. So i have been keeping to very strict rules for years now: only one small dose (50-60mg), no redosing, at least 3 months in between (though usually i end up having 1+ year(s) in between experiences (mostly because of adult life obligations and my preference for psychedelics if i do have time for altered states).

I have only ever tried about 3 different batches of MDMA, all of them in chrystal/powder form. First batch was tested by Energy Control in Spain about 11 years ago and came back as 86% pure with the rest being unidentified byproducts from the synthesis.

My first time taking MDMA literally changed my life for the better, permanently. It was a well prepared experience with the above mentioned material, we took 110mg each in a group of really close friends. It was life changing! not because of profound revelations like with a psychedelic, but because of the incredible amount of empathy for the human experience that it made me feel. Still to this day, more than a decade later, i find it easier to navigate some social situations because of that first experience.

Subsequent experiences never had such a deep impact again, even though the same batch was used for the next 2-3 times. My favorite batch was the last one we had, it felt a bit cleaner than the other two (consistently despite very varying sets and settings). But all 3 batches consistently worked for me in creating empathy and incredibly enhanced tactile sensitivity in doses as low as 50-60mg.

I check some local drug checking sites from time to time to be updated on what's going around, primarily to keep up on blotters, but for a while now they have been reporting a lot of pills that are dosed in insane amounts, even more than 300mg in a single pill.

For somebody who takes about 50-60mg per year, a pill with 300+mg seems nothing short of an assault. I wondered how producers could be so irresponsible and reckless. It also doesn't make any sense whatsoever from an economic perspective, since pills are sold by number and not by amount of active ingredient. So in my mind this clearly shows that there is some validity to the claim that there are batches of MDMA that are impure (but uncut) and don't work the way that they should.

It is funny because when i started reading this thread i was highly sceptical that this would be the case. It just seemed so much like the dirty LSD discourse all over again, but after reading through the thread and reflecting upon what i see on the drugchecking sites it seems obvious that something's up.

Thanks for all the effort you guys are putting into bringing light to this matter! I'll make sure to follow this thread to see if the culprit is indeed MDDMA or if other byproducts will turn out to be it. I also will make sure to make those of my friends aware about it who are much more into MDMA than i myself am.

 

[Negi]

For somebody who takes about 50-60mg per year, a pill with 300+mg seems nothing short of an assault.

Pills above 200mg almost always have a breakline on the back, with the intent to be taken as halves. So that's 150mg, then another 150mg a few hours later. So it's less extreme that it appears at first. And many people enjoy the higher dose experience.

It also doesn't make any sense whatsoever from an economic perspective, since pills are sold by number and not by amount of active ingredient.

"This pill is strong as fuck, it will knock your socks off" is absolutely going to sell some pills. Especially in Europe where the dosage of pills get reported by drug testing organizations. Users are going to want to buy the pills they saw on the news, or forums like Flashback/Reddit/whatever. Blue Punishers are going to be more popular than round smiley faces and dealers will try to get supply accordingly.

 

[Ambien Powered Rabbit]

For somebody who takes about 50-60mg per year, a pill with 300+mg seems nothing short of an assault. I wondered how producers could be so irresponsible and reckless. It also doesn't make any sense whatsoever from an economic perspective, since pills are sold by number and not by amount of active ingredient.

People don't bat an eyelid if someone is selling gram bags, but a press containing a quarter of that amount is irresponsible, reckless and nothing short of assault. ok.

They are sales units. Try weighing out fractions of a gram of crystals & powders in a club, rave or festival. Or maybe try carrying 5x as many presses as is necessary through security, sniffer dogs or indeed customs!

 

[Ambien Powered Rabbit]

It's not personal beef, it is directly related to our work that we've created here.


Vash, if you want to contribute, fine. But, don't come in bitching about others having feelings about your poor behavior and communication that negatively impacted numerous participants of this thread. Exceptional circumstances are forgiveable, but communication and honesty are required for that to happen. Neither of those happened, and making excuses is not a substitute.

That guy Cash has 100x the expertise & credibility that you do psy997. You know nothing about this topic and your "contributions" here are just bossing people around and telling others to follow your made up rules ie. "agree with us or do not post".

you and indigoaura are the reason this has gone nowhere. I feel sorry for anyone who has fallen for your lies.

 

[Tramalala]

Pills above 200mg almost always have a breakline on the back, with the intent to be taken as halves. So that's 150mg, then another 150mg a few hours later. So it's less extreme that it appears at first. And many people enjoy the higher dose experience.

That's just a straight up lie. I've had several high dose "mdma" pills in my possesion that definitely didn't have a breakline. Also keep in mind that there is no way of knowing how the MDMA is distributed in the pill. These pills are not made with pharmaceutical standards.

But you are right about the strength of the pills tho. Pills with a good reputation will get sold more. The question is does a lot more MDMA really make it a better pill. Apparently not from what we've read in the thread here. I remember amazing experiences off pills with a spread of 50-80mg (according to the testing service) and so have others I know.

 

[psy997]

That guy Cash has 100x the expertise & credibility that you do psy997. You know nothing about this topic and your "contributions" here are just bossing people around and telling others to follow your made up rules ie. "agree with us or do not post".

you and indigoaura are the reason this has gone nowhere. I feel sorry for anyone who has fallen for your lies.

Ah, yes, now i remember that you are the user that entered the thread, strawman-guns blazing, shit-talking everyone that contributes the most to this conversation.

I also said I would not engage you any further. Survey says - that seems to have been a lie

Either way, I will say again, it is either way too obvious that you hold a vested interest in derailing the thread and lack the intelligence to do so skillfully, or, you are just irritating.

 

[RainbowWarrior]

People don't bat an eyelid if someone is selling gram bags, but a press containing a quarter of that amount is irresponsible, reckless and nothing short of assault. ok.

They are sales units. Try weighing out fractions of a gram of crystals & powders in a club, rave or festival. Or maybe try carrying 5x as many presses as is necessary through security, sniffer dogs or indeed customs!

There is an obvious difference here, most beginners will assume that 1 pill = 1 dose. Pills are not just sales units, but also consumption units. The thought of a first timer taking 300+mg for their first time made me choose these words.

MDMA is a very powerful substance and some people are quite sensitive to it, 300+mg for me personally is a massive overdose that would probably affect me negatively for weeks after.

 

[Ambien Powered Rabbit]

There is an obvious difference here, most beginners will assume that 1 pill = 1 dose. Pills are not just sales units, but also consumption units. The thought of a first timer taking 300+mg for their first time made me choose these words.

300mg+ is very rare & first timers taking a whole pill has always been discouraged. at least it was before douchebags started using a HR site to tell people that all mdma today is actually some made up bullshit called "MEH" & 100s of mgs must be a dose.

Either way, I will say again. I hold a vested interest in derailing the thread, lack intelligence and am irritating

Accusing others of fallacies, not discussing "in good faith" (because you are lying) & then calling yourself an academic again even though you work at mcdonalds. I just summed up your next 1000 posts so feel free to take some extended time off from figuring out why you have a problem with mdma and focus on things more in line with your skillset, like fixing that ice cream machine and getting mcflurries out to all the cars, professor.

 

[G_Chem]

That guy Cash has 100x the expertise & credibility that you do psy997. You know nothing about this topic and your "contributions" here are just bossing people around and telling others to follow your made up rules ie. "agree with us or do not post".

you and indigoaura are the reason this has gone nowhere. I feel sorry for anyone who has fallen for your lies.

“Cash” doesn’t know shit... You’ve been here how long? Read the thread before sounding like a moron to everyone else here please.

Vash has contradicted himself more times than I care to count.

-GC

 

[consciousness_]

One of the best MDMA experiences I have ever had, I had with this pill. Maybe someone can infer some useful information about its composition from the test results? The high was incredibly clean, the love flowing, the tactile sense out of this world. There was full pupil dilation, intimacy, a sense of stillness and peace within the body and no hangover on the following days; it was all there with this one. Following that, I never came across anything close to that experience.

Around a year ago, I ordered a powder via the DN from a Canadian source, that allegedly uses safrole as a precursor. It came as a white and fluffy powder and gave a nice clean high, but it still didn't do what we are looking for. It made me feel nice, but not more than that. Has anyone since came across any new pills or batches that look promising?

 

[Negi]

One of the best MDMA experiences I have ever had, I had with this pill. Maybe someone can infer some useful information about its composition from the test results?

From that result we can't even tell you the dose you took, which is an extremely important variable.

Here's something people in the thread might find interesting, an EU company is selling a home TLC testing kit: https://www.protestkit.eu/product/tlc-mdma-purity-test-kit/
Maybe someone with knowledge about TLC can reach out to them and find out the specifications of their test and see if it would be useful.

 

[deficiT]

This ain't really my neck of the woods, but there have been some reports about this thread the past couple days. Just want to remind people that personal attacks and the like are not conducive to good discussion, and are against the BLUA. Try and tone it down just a hair please, if you disagree with a BLer, tell them why, and add to the discussion. Don't just tell insult their intelligence. Just my 2cents y'all carry on.

 

[HOOH]

the oxygen molecules produce the red color. So far no other chemical has produced the same result.)

Do you have any citations for that?
Also, most fake-MDMA being sold still contain oxygen atoms, e. the fake DOC-containing pills

 

[vash445]

Question for the chemistry experts:

I was reading for example here that an impurity of a similar solubility could be removed by recrystalisation if there was sufficient difference in concentrations. Assuming (big assumption I know) that MDDMA HCL is the problem, I note that its solubility appears to be the same as MDMA HCL, at least for the solvents listed.

So could they be separated if the ratio was as high as 20:80? That article says the rule of thumb is 5 mol% or less but I was wondering if you could do it with repetitions.

My most recent batch of meh mda I did a recrystalization and it was sugar. Like 60% sugar

 

[ThreePointCircle]

Here's something people in the thread might find interesting, an EU company is selling a home TLC testing kit: https://www.protestkit.eu/product/tlc-mdma-purity-test-kit/
Maybe someone with knowledge about TLC can reach out to them and find out the specifications of their test and see if it would be useful.

Very interesting. Yes it would be interesting to know what solvent system they use as I had slight separation of two spots with DCM (I think it was DCM if I remember correctly) but not with others. I gave up in the end. Plus I thought the whole process was just too insensitive to pick up something that wasn't reasonably close to the MDMA proportion in the sample.

One big word of caution though, I don't know how healthy it is to be using UV-C like that. I built a box with a hole for the camera lens and there was never any light escaping. Everything's I've read says it is very bad to look at uv-c. Maybe I was being over-cautious.