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What is the most addictive substance?

michelle1030 said:
I firmly believe alcohol to be the most dangerous drug out there. It's so widely accepted, but can turn your life into a nightmare very quickly if you don't know when enough is enough.
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True. And one of common one for someone to deny having problems with it.
It's always under control. Or I can quit whenever I set my mind to, not a drug, etc, etc.
 
Benzos. The worst withdrawal on the face of the earth. I once read a post that related the benzo detox akin to having AIDS. Thank god i dont have that, but could imagine that being true.
During benzo withdrawal my immune system felt demolished. Wounds I inflicted would not heal. My skin felt like is was melting off, eyes hurt, ears ringing. The worst part though was coming off clonazolam.
Clam wd is probably the worst detox i experienced, along with buprenorphine at the same time. My muscles were locked up painfully, i was having random scary muscle movements much like Parkinson's kinda. The absolute worst part though was trying to sleep. I felt haunted and would even feel a paranoid presence in the room...
 
Thanks for sharing @Etizoman.
Definitely not a good experience.
Welcome to Bluelight btw!
Take care.
 
Awesome job michelle1030 on the upcoming anniversary and turning things around too! I've been to rehabs, detox, psych wards, homeless too and it's been a steep climb out of the pit! I'm not where I could be but clean at the moment and way better off than where I was not long ago. Keep up the good work!
 
Erikmen said:
^ Sure MocCozmik, come off of Xanax while you are still able to do this. Benzodiazepines are difficult to stop using and as time goes by and tolerance is developed it can get very hard to live without them. When you no longer feel it but at the same time need it so you can keep moving.

Don't allow yourself to live limited by Xanax or any other benzo. Do make this plan, your doctor will be able to help you as they can change medicines. Instead of benzodiazepine he can work with other controlled but not as addicting. Do that while you are young and have ahead of you! It's worth it!!
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Thanks man, that is great advice. I know that's what I need to do; bo
 
So which is more addictive, I guess what do you need to look at the consequences of using it? I'm not sure but if that's the case nicotine is in cigarette's but is it the nicotine that is even the worst chemical for you!? I mean I get it, I'm 33 years young and smoked from the time I was 16 pretty heavy. I'm lucky and blessed to say the obsession to smoke a cigarette is gone! But I still have the fleeting moment of boy wouldn't this morning coffee be great with a cigarette. They do happen at strange times but they become less frequent as time goes by, as well as the thought about using or having a cigarette is shorter and shorter!..to the point now where I'm 6 .months no cigarettes and feel great and free without them! It wasn't all that hard to stop smoking cigarettes... especially when you are going through a withdrawal from methadone.... because when I would smoke while I was detoxing it made me feel worse!- if that is even possible
So in my experience I have found that that the hardest time not smoking is the first two weeks
So with that being said, the first two weeks of methadone withdrawal are probably the worst and you don't want to do anything that will make you feel worse!!! Absolutely not!
Also if you drink booze or beer or will make you feel wayyhh worse!! More aches and pains and add on top that you won't get drunk and fall asleep you will just get sick I.e. throw up or diarrhea! Which is pretty common through the first two weeks of not longer!

Anyway I'm rambling I think anyone who takes the time to read my romantic story with opiates will know what is the most addictive substance on the planet.. or known. To me... and I have used everything except for crystal... the only reasons probably being from the North East! We use REAL Drugs!!.! I'm kidding... but never saw it so I don't want to tell you I know about it... anyway. Any other comments or questions on this let me know!!

*thAt's All folks*
Thanks for listening to me ramble about this topic I feel like an expert on... now if I was only an expert at staying away from opiates for ever!..don't think anyone in the world is, but some manage to do it day by day with the help of AA or NA or just an incredible mind to remember the pain it caused and not glorify the few good times had with it


Ryan H
June 10th 2016

Clean date from methadone:
1/05/16

Clean date from cigarettes:
1/06/16

Clean date from heroin
10/15 - 5/27/16

It's hard to stay away from it forever I have 14 days clean again and need to remember the last time I used it: IT WAS NOT ENJOYABLE!!!!. PROBABLY THE HARDEST OPIATE TO STAY OFF OF.... Because when it is enjoyable it's AMAZING....and your brain never really forgets about that.... not at least only 5 months... anyways I could rant about this for awhile too.. but another day !!
 
Well said ! I agree with every word or thought you just typed..... I'm sorry been clean for 6 months from Methadone and Benzo's. Was by far the hardest thing I've ever experienced! Cigarettes I quit only because i figured I'm getting clean them might as well do it right man... cold turkey 100.mgs of methadone everyday for 5-6 years...with a high of 140mgs and a low of 80mgs... except for the first few days on the program when they were working with you to get you as high or as normal as you wanted to feel!! Which should be a crime, to put someone on such aa high dose of methadone!! Anyway at the program it's pretty much widely available BeNzo's. Which makes sense when you put a bunch of addicts together they will find better cheaper ways to get high rather than to find better nicer ways to live !!!.==.
And that is when my journey on the Benzo train took off and took off fast!!!...
I'll just say what someone else already shared about withdrawal from Benzo s.... which is it last a long time! Or it sure feels like it!!! Those two months of being uncomfortable in your own skin are excruciating... the ringing in your ears and the fuzzy feeling inside your brain and not a warm fuzzy... but a very cold fuzzy memory with as I said before the worst of the withdrawal symptoms:

No sleep it's impossible to sleep without them knowing That you are going through such anxiety any pain and stress. in the first WEEK OF THE WITHDRAWALS I DIDNT SLEEP!..IT for sure got better with time...our body are amazing and so are our minds!!!

I digress but thanks for that share... I needed to hear that...when the problem is yourself like we all want something we are not ... please be rejoice with a sober mind!!! Our bodies are beautiful and will heal from these prisons!!!! If we give them a chance I am a fresh example!!!==

Ryan H..

CLEAN DATE:
JANUARY 5TH 2016

Today's date:June 10th 2016
 
Pill2Chill said:
It depends on how well you metabolize it into O-desmethyltramadol, I am a good metabolizer myself and I can get very high off tramadol. Right now my tolerance is too high to enjoy it. (dope and oxy) But without a big tolerance I can get very high off tramadol as well. It's not under or overrated imo. Its effects are just very different for different people.
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So true. I am prescribed a mix of morphine and Oxy adding up to about 60 mg a day, I know that's low compared to most on the board. I was using Tramadol a few days a week instead of the Oxy and Morphine and using Tramadol at 150 mg late afternoon and then again in early evening and was shocked how much better I felt mentally. I also felt so comfortable and I was actually a pleasure to be around. I have some PTSD issues and can be no pleasure at times around my family, but Tramadol changed all that.

I know it has some SSRI properties, but it doesn't relieve my pain enough and my tolerance goes in about 3 days of using it, but if I stop for 3 days I get the full feeling back. I also tale Lyrica and when I take with Tramadol it seems to increase potentiate it. I am not one for a stimulating type of drug but as I have severe anxiety but I am able to handle the pleasure mood boosting stimulating feeling of Tramadol. Kind of strange.

I can see how it can be dangerous, I CT off SSRI's before I knew any better and I was a mess for months, so I treat Tramadol with respect and approach her carefully like the snake I am sure she is. Whish I saw that before all the Benzo's and opiates. Unfortunately, I didn't know any better with the benzos as I trusted my Dr.
 
PerfectDisguise said:
I've been addicted to clonazepam for 3 years now, daily at this point but there were times where I would skip a few days. It's never lost it's therapeutic value to me though, and I've only abused benzos twice in my life. I agree with wondering why they're so popular, at least as a recreational drug...I have pretty bad social anxiety and clonazepam has been a godsend for the most part. Yeah I still have a little anxiety but it's a whole lot better than using ssri's in my opinion. I know my emotions are dulled, no doubt, but idk..wouldn't want life without clonazepam at this point. As far as your doctor pushing them on you, that is not the case in the states I've lived in as an adult. My psychiatrist is actually saying he's gonna be cutting down my clonazepam dose because "that's what doctors are starting to do now". Lol, Fucking bullshit, oh well. just my two cents.
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Couldn't agree more with you on the Klonopin, they have been a godsend for me as well. I am a disaster when I was off them. I tried so many Ssri's and that shit just fucked me up in more ways than one. I take 3mg a day and I can't skip any days, so that is a good sign you can go a few days without, I know they have a long half life but my anxiety starts to creep up on me if I don't take them.
 
Opiates with out a doubt specifically iv heroin..I have been using H for almsot 4 years and oxy and percs before that.

Opiates simply rewire your brain in such a way it takes years to feel normal again. 1 out of every 10 people in recovery truly beat heroin. I have managed to put together small stretches of time 2 months being my best before relapsing back.

I just desperately hope I can save my own life before it's to late. I can never keep a lid on my habbit that I can afford. What starts at 30$ a day is 200$ a day in a matter of weeks and I don't care your level of income no one can sustain that life long burdon of sick or score.
 
That's true, especially about taking so long to feel normal again. People can always use Methadone a try to live a normal life but that will just make you further and further away from who you really are. Coming off Methadone is one of the most challenging experiences IME, not only because you have to be sick for almost one month but also due to the fact it's take a lifetime to get out of depression and lethargy.
 
Why does MMT take you further from who you are? I don't have experience with maintenance meds when used as prescribed.
 
It was okay for almost 8 years. But then I started to feel slaved to the routine, as from operational problems during ALL my travels to serious increasing side effects that screwed up my metabolism, lowered my testosterone, had me constantly sweating, and the worst was the decrease of my interests. I wasn't happy, I felt lazy, had a poor sexual life and was not as sharp as I am or feel now.

Besides, every time I'd have to adjust the doses so many times, I was always tired, wanting more. I was inspired by lots of people in here who had made the jump and I wanted to be free. Despite of having a much more challenging life now I wouldn't change back even if my doctor suggested so.
 
I'm a sucker for redosing, and have been a heavy coke-user for a few years. I had to snort to be able to sleep... Anyway, it only ended when I lost nearly everything and did somewhat of a half-assed suicide attempt, after which my parents put me in rehab without me protesting. (not a fancy USA-style rehab, but a state-owned Euro hellhole)
So, coke is my nemesis. Haven't touched it for years now though.
But as far as terrible comedowns are concerned: do NOT forget to take your 2x200 Efexor-Exel and 2x200 Seroquel on a two-day trip for work... I barely survived that, and that shit is pure mental torment...
 
Prolly a tie between strong opioids, benzodiazepines, and methamphetamine. After a night of binging on caine, I don't have any urge to touch the stuff for a long ass time.
 
I take Effexor XL and have taken Seroquel in the past and the withdrawals are serious business. Did you get the dreaded "brain zaps"?
 
^I always used to get those when I was in tramadol withdrawal, back when I used it a LOT. (It was actually my doc for a while, I "beat" my oxy addiction once by replacing it with a tram addiction). Dunno what's healthier on the body, but the tram w/ds felt like getting a round of electroshock therapy. =D
 
Brain zaps, as in the purely physical "pain" of electric jolts, I did experience. But that's the least of it, the hysterical crying panick attacks and barely being able to crawl into a drug store to ask the pretty lady to ASAP give me my meds and a glass of water, while feeling on the edge of insanity... Worse than the zaps...
 
^Heh, I actually know a rafke IRL who is (or was, he's mostly an alcy these days) pretty much the biggest druggy I know. (I'm from Belgium as well). Probably just a coincidence. He's not on effexor. Hehe. Plus, I doubt his English is as good as yours. :D
 
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