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What If....the Tories Won the last election!?!?! (This is regarding Opioid users!)

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At the last election the Tories said that if they got into power they would scrap methadone maintenance (I'm assuming Buprenorphine too) and put all addicts in residential rehab for a few months until they're clean. I'm surprised this wasn't a bigger new agenda at the time, but I get money/the economy comes first!

The reason being was that they said methadone doesn't work and the user just ends up living a 'half life' on methadone, not coming off it and still using illicit drugs. They basically wanted the same maintenance program as Russia i.e. fuck all is used for opioid addiction, no methadone, no bup' not even crappy codeine! From what I've read if you're going to Russia and are on methadone you'll need your script swapping to a different opioid as they won't allow it in the country even if you have a script. I'm not sure if they use it for pain there, but I'm guessing if they did they'd allow you in with a legit meth' script whether it was for pain or substitution therapy.

Now obviously there'd be questions of liberty regarding making addicts go into residential rehab for a few months and detoxing them against their will.

But let's say the Tories had won outright the 2010 election (No coalition! Thankfully the Lib Dem's put a stop to the no Meth' plan before it even got started!), what would you, if you're on opioid drug dependency maintenance, have done (Pun not intended)?

I'm guessing I'd of tried to get my meth' down as low as possible before it was implemented (Passed by Parliament?) by the bastards (I have a condition where if I go into withdrawal, opioid withdrawal that is, I'll die.) whilst stocking up on any and all opioids I could get hold off, including codeine/co-codamol (For Cold Water Extraction) and loperamide. I'd also want benzo's and MXE incase I was told "Go to rehab or do your turkey at home!"

I imagine heroin use would have rocketed, along with the petty crime that some addicts commit so they can afford their fix and within a year they'd of restarted Opioid substitution therapy.

I've never committed crime to get my opi's and I'd say 100% that that is because of the methadone, also I'd say it's saved my life because otherwise I'd be on Heroin/whatever all the time. At least with Meth' I've had job's, where as if I wasn't allowed it getting money for Heroin/O.O.C (Opioid of choice) and then getting said opioid would be like having a job! :\

So what would you have done?

Accept it and go to the rehab?
Go Cold Turkey at home?
Slipped back into (Full non-recreational use) Heroin use/addiction?
Reduced as much and as fast as possible and then used other substances to help you withdraw?
Something else?

REMEMBER THEY (The Tories!) COULD PROMISE THIS AT THE NEXT ELECTION! SO IF YOU'RE OLD ENOUGH TO VOTE THEN MAKE SURE YOU DO VOTE AND DON'T VOTE THEM OR THE B.N.P., CAUSE THE B.N.P. DON'T LIKE DRUG USERS EITHER!

Also don't mention about the UN report ( http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/content/63-U-N-Report-Suggests-Some-Autism-Addiction-Treatments-Are-Akin-to-Torture ) about denial of opioid substitution therapies and Human Rights, as that wouldn't have been published when all of this could have been happening!
 
This is bullshit.

unlike you, I have actually read the Conservative 2010 Manifesto. And their 2007 Social Justice Report, Breakthrough Britain. They want to improve rehab. No where does it mention scrapping Methadone.

Stop making things up.
 
i'd happily go to rehab if they looked after my real life ie. treated it like i was on jury service and paid me my wage etc while I was there. They couldn't do this. it would be too expensive. I'm sure if they did the research they would find that rehab isn't the wonder cure they may think it is
 
wcote said:
This is bullshit.

unlike you, I have actually read the Conservative 2010 Manifesto. And their 2007 Social Justice Report, Breakthrough Britain. They want to improve rehab. No where does it mention scrapping Methadone.

Stop making things up.
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No it isn't bullshit and he isn't making it up.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/apr/20/conservatives-heroin-addiction-treatment-overhaul

That's what he is talking about.

I'm appalled you seem to imply the Tories want to improve rehab. The Tories want to make rehab as cheap and painful as possible. The Tories are responsible for a shift towards abstinence-based ideas in harm reduction. The Tories are currently making the lives of drug workers and drug users as shitty as they possibly can.

Gaz is prompting a valid debate and I'm amazed some of you people have nearly written off this thread without checking what he was on about.
 
While it is true that a large percentage of those on methadone still use heroin on top, what it does achieve is ensuring an addict can get through a day without being sick and regain some stability.

It does beg the question of why not just prescribe them heroin...
 
Eesh, interesting. I'm not an opiate user so this wouldn't directly affect me, but it does seem to reflect their general attitude to drug users. (Which, I dunno, kind of goes against all their 'right to privacy' stuff.)

In terms of drug policy, lib dems and greens seem to be fairly reasonable.
 
No it is bullshit.

Official Tory documents on it do not call for it to be ended.

Read the 2010 manifesto. I cannot believe you call my reading of this as not checking it out.

Even that Guardian article talks of Tories wanting fewer on Methadone.

So you have obviously not even read that article properly.

This thread talks of a complete scrapping of Methadone, which is just plain wrong. Also its a 'what if' about a past election, and also something the Tories did not say. You can say. Well what if the Tories want to invade France!?!
 
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The thing that gets me about the Tory/DM brigade and their revulsion to the idea of giving them heroin, is that even if one has zero compassion for the addict it still reduces profits of black market dealers and all the associated crime to get money for said dealers. Makes total logical sense from a societal point of view.
 
True, the main goal is of course to screw over poor people in every way possible, however I still think it would benefit even those rich fuckers if heavy smack addicts didn't have to steal things to fund their habit. But then I guess most of that crime still takes place in low income neighbourhoods so they are not likely to give a shit.
 
Also the chances of the Tories winning the next election outright a extremely low. The Tory vote is not efficiently spread, The Tories will have to increase their share of the vote, which is extremely difficult, especially with the state of the economy. They got 36 percent against Gordon Brown one of the most unpopular leaders, with a recession and the Tories only managed to get a coalition!
 
Interesting thread.

It seems as usual they want to target the vulnerable. Instead of investing in people and communities so they are more likely to avoid the heroin trap they want to screw them even further and pull the rug out from under their feet once they're sinking.

If you're rich & can afford drugs & luxury rehab - tutto bene.

I hope to god they don't win the next election. And if they won the one after that I'd look into leaving the country.
 
True fiscal conservatives should focus on reducing the tax burden, not engaging in failed ideological wars based on ignorance.

The only rational option is the Swiss way, register all users in a national database and supply them with daily diamorphine in a medical environment. It would be cheaper than incarcerating the users or continuing these failed maintenance measures with methadone and similar.
 
Fuck the Tories and fuck David Cameron. Thats all. Nothing else.

Let the conversation continue...............
 
wcote said:
No it is bullshit.

Official Tory documents on it do not call for it to be ended.

Read the 2010 manifesto. I cannot believe you call my reading of this as not checking it out.

Even that Guardian article talks of Tories wanting fewer on Methadone.

So you have obviously not even read that article properly.

This thread talks of a complete scrapping of Methadone, which is just plain wrong. Also its a 'what if' about a past election, and also something the Tories did not say. You can say. Well what if the Tories want to invade France!?!
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Has it ever occurred to you that political manifestos are official lies? Or did you vote for the LD thinking they'd scrap tuition fees?

I think that article is closer to any Tory view than the manifesto. Like I said, even without a majority, they've forced through abstinence based ideology on drug workers and totally changed the efficiency of harm reduction. Your belief that the Tory party, or any party, wants to "improve rehab" is bizarre and has no basis in what is going on today.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
I'm appalled you seem to imply the Tories want to improve rehab. The Tories want to make rehab as cheap and painful as possible. The Tories are responsible for a shift towards abstinence-based ideas in harm reduction. The Tories are currently making the lives of drug workers and drug users as shitty as they possibly can.
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qft
 
Ha whatever this is pointless, you just don't get it.

Its none of your business who I voted for, don't make a silly comment about me voting LD due to abolishing tuition, don't pretend you can begin to guess who I voted for.
 
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