3dmusic-yes, they certainly are better than benzos, although much more dangerous. Phenobarb doesn't really count though, thats an ultra-long acting barb, that just feels like a sedating knock over the head for a day or two.
Barbital is nice though.
I'll try ludes one day though, I just have to get around to doing the work for them first, and I have so many other things that need attention paying to them first.
To experience something similar to a barbiturate, try chlormethiazole (also spelled clomethiazole), its structurally nothing even remotely close to a barb, rather, a vitamin B1 (thiamine) derivative, its still used clinically, often for alcohol detox, but its my favourite sedative/hypnotic, and pleasingly strong on the 'hypnotic', its similar acting to a moderately shortish-medium length duration barb, although like the former, comes with similar risks, and has other features that make it even more dangerous than the barbs are in combination with alcohol (don't try mixing the two it could easily kill if not done at very low dose levels of both)
But in general its fucking lovely stuff, perhaps could do with an antihistamine alongside if taking a larger end dose, but overall, a top notch downer, that doesn't come with a hangover. Fixes even some of the most intractable cases of insomnia I've had, even when its kept me awake for days. Popped a couple of caps after that, and ended up out like a light almost as soon as they started working.
Looking forward to going into the city tomorrow and getting a few more grams of diphenidine, and some MXP from the head shop and spending the entire weekend+monday in a hole, popping my head out now and then to hit a bong and redose
