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What do YOU think is the most dangerous drug?

Depends on the person I think but Smack does tend to end badly - out of the older drugs.

There's too many to keep up with for me I don't even know. Mephedrone is bad for Paranoia.
 
Yes I heard about that. So many ODs. Not that Fentanyl is bad when you know what you are taking.
 
In terms of scale - it has to be tobacco - in terms of direct and indirect health and financial devastation brought down on individuals, communities, countries and the world-over.

I think meth is the most damaging; it can and does ruin communities, families, etc. It's a harsh drug with harsh consequences.. I think heroin perhaps presents the greatest risk of immediate, direct death.

Those relate to scale (I appreciate there are less common, more dangerous drugs, but these two represent huge social issues).

In terms of individual drug experiences, and the immediate effects on the user (not scaled to the community) - then the most dangerous I've done has been Dature (scopolamine / atropine). It's hugely toxic and it's impossible to control your actions- it would be incredibly easy to accidentally die as a result of your misguided actions when under the influence. Datura and related drugs/plants are the only drug-class that I'll no longer knowingly consume. There's plenty of others I'd rather not consume and wouldn't be surprised if I never did again - but this one, the only way I'll ever ingest it again is either if my mind is so-affected that my decisions are no longer rational (a stroke?!) or if I'm unwittingly poisoned with it.
 
Cosmic Giraffe said:
I have never known anyone that does krokodil but heroin is taking people left and right where I am from. It's cut with something even stronger then heroin, and it's not cool. Heroin.
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It's the same where I am. Had a friend die a few months ago. There have been so many since.

IME alcohol.
 
I have to say that to some degree this argument will be a crapshoot because different drugs affect different people differently and therefore meth might be the worst drug for some person, but heroin may be the worst for another. I mean for alcohol has done the most damage, but opiates in general are a close second. It's also possible that opiates were the worst because of all the damage they did + they led me to alcohol. Honestly though heroin has stolen more of my friends and acquaintances from me than anything else by far. Meth may steal the minds of my friends but many of them get better and come back every now and then. Heroin takes my friends away permanently and that sucks a big one and leaves me really sad. So I guess my vote goes to H.That being said there is no question in my mind that alcohol causes the most damage since it is more widely consumed.
 
Peacephrog1972 said:
They are cutting heroin with fentanyl analogues
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This. Plus Anthrax. There has actually been a lot of deaths due to Anthrax infection from where I am. I can't seem to get my head around that one...WHY kill your customers?
 
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I agree. Put me in hospital twice with pancreatitus, touch and go both times. Seen friends die, nearly die, and do the most ghastly stupid, humiliating things - as I have done myself, groan. Drinking underage, drinking where it s forbidden, and vomiting likewise... in cars, cabs, buses, trains, aircraft and even in a mosque - I hope Allah really IS merciful? He should at least understand. Crashed cars, crashed into cars, outrun police during car chases, and probably commited almost every crime there is whilst drunk, short of murder, rape, genocide, regicide and riding a bicycle with no lights (couldn't ride it - too pissed). Almost drowned a few times, broken bones, lost jobs galore, hit people and been hit, said things that make my toes curl even now, third of a century later... groan! Alienated and lost friends, engaged in illegal, highly questionable sexual antics with people whose names I never knew, faked orgasms on many occasions, and had orgasms I faithfully promised I wouldn't! Cheated in exams, lied to the police, assaulted same, commited perjury, started fires for fun, and did countless (many probably forgotten!) dreadful, shameful things and acts, that "seemed like a good idea at the time" - to be inscribed on grave.

The next week was even worse, but I seem to have a slight memory problem, so I''ll save that for later.
On the plus side, have only ever been barred from two pubs, never had to claim on my car insurance, never been banned from driving, nor been prosecuted for anything more serious than an out-of-date tax disc.

To be brutally, utterly honest, alcohol has done more serious damage to me mentally and physically than anything else by far - and to almost all my friends, ex-'s and aquaintances too. Do I care? No, not really... at least it isn't illegal! I'm joking of course!

I am very fortunate in the fact that I genuinely can 'take it or leave it' nowadays, and hate to get drunk or be around people who are drunk. Why not 'leave it' then, you may well ask. Because I enjoy it.... right now, and every day. And I am about to go out to a vv late party and enjoy more...
I fully accept that despite mycurrent caution and 'moderation', I stll drink far too much - but never enough to cause harm to me or anyone else. Following so many years of disaster and experience, I know my limits, truly - and can guess my blood alcohol level to within 10%, every time. My doctor waa absolutely astonished when I made this claim, and during the cousre of several months, proved it again and again (in case you are curious, I'm a little confused by unfamiliar methamphetamine, but I'd guessI am very dlightly over the driving limit... highish 80's?) You will alas have to take my word for that!


Altogether, as I said, I agree - alcohol is the most destructive, dangerous and unpredictable drug that the public indulge in, in the UK and everywhere else in Europe it seems. It is almost always resposible for violence, or a contributing factor, be it domestic or public. Policemen I have met all agree, as do health workers, shop staff, restuarant staff and of course, publicans and bar staff. Banning it is of course impossible, and trying to reduce consumption by overpricing it will only lead to disaster - an epidemic of home brew, illegal stills producing worse poison, and violent gangs smuggling and scrapping things out in turf wars. 'Nuff said, more than enough - time to go out!
 
Oh dear... within an hour and a half of posting that (Easter Saturday), I was desperately trying to save the life of a dear friend, who collapsed and had some ghastly sort of 'fit', after drinking heavily then getting 'prophlactic shock' (I forget the proper word?). Thank the Stars I was sober and sensible enough (thanks to a large dose of amphetamine) to do the right thing, stop him choking on his own vomit, then seeing him home, alive and well, if not in perfect condition! I don't mention this from pride at my heroic medical capabilies, but - seeing the title of this thread again - recalling that everyone else around were, despite the best of intentions and terrible concern, incapable of sensible actions or doing what was needed in seconds, thanks to being drunk, stoned or both. Another lesson to me, and I hope, you never know, something which might one day save someone's life as the result of someone reading this... never turn your back, or be distracted by peer pressure, panic or fear (which I had in droves, believe me!). Life is only a precious second and heartbeat or breath away, and no matter how fast you call 999 or 911 or whatever, sometimes it's in yours hands, however reluctant or terrified. I want no congratulation or praise for this either, just mentioning it for the good of all - my relief is reward enough, I hope everyone there forgets about it! And of course the chance to have another drink with my friend, who I hope remebers nothing. Therefore, that's another black mark against alcohol, though it won't stop me drinking. XXXXX
 
Voyager3 said:
Oh dear... within an hour and a half of posting that (Easter Saturday), I was desperately trying to save the life of a dear friend, who collapsed and had some ghastly sort of 'fit', after drinking heavily then getting 'prophlactic shock' (I forget the proper word?). Thank the Stars I was sober and sensible enough (thanks to a large dose of amphetamine) to do the right thing, stop him choking on his own vomit, then seeing him home, alive and well, if not in perfect condition! I don't mention this from pride at my heroic medical capabilies, but - seeing the title of this thread again - recalling that everyone else around were, despite the best of intentions and terrible concern, incapable of sensible actions or doing what was needed in seconds, thanks to being drunk, stoned or both. Another lesson to me, and I hope, you never know, something which might one day save someone's life as the result of someone reading this... never turn your back, or be distracted by peer pressure, panic or fear (which I had in droves, believe me!). Life is only a precious second and heartbeat or breath away, and no matter how fast you call 999 or 911 or whatever, sometimes it's in yours hands, however reluctant or terrified. I want no congratulation or praise for this either, just mentioning it for the good of all - my relief is reward enough, I hope everyone there forgets about it! And of course the chance to have another drink with my friend, who I hope remebers nothing. Therefore, that's another black mark against alcohol, though it won't stop me drinking. XXXXX
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I was too fucked up on uppers and booze to save my friends life. I panicked, didn't know what to do or where to start. I was pumping on his chest/heart but I didn't give him air. Wish I could go back in time and change things...but don't we all! You're post took me back to a nasty place. Lol.
 
Sorry about that... but maybe something good will come from something bad? I remeber I once went to a strange pub with some friends, and a chap came in (obviously a popular, well known regular), greeted everyone, ordered a pint ... glug, glug.... fell flat on his back, to a round of laughter. Which soon diminished when he just lay there, and didn't get up. I'd just done a heavy duty first aid course at work, but as he was surrounded by anxious friends, holding his hand and patting his cheek, stayed put. He was dead as a doornail by the time the ambulance arrived, and noticed everyone putting their drinks down and stubbing out their cigs as he was carried out on a stretcher, the colour of putty... ugh! I determined at that moment I'd never let embarrassment, shyness or fear stop me doing whatever I could again. A salutory lesson... and even though it means possibly (and probably) facing the consequences of failure, as it has, I can and will never turn away again, if anyone is in trouble.
 
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