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What aspects of the atheist religion do you like/dislike?

Im just going to ignore your second point......
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I'm not going to talk to people who dont want to listen. Im done with this thread.
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might be a good idea. this thread started talking about atheism, and after some discussion we started discussing the philosophical implications of people not believing in anything, then you started talking about mythology and trying to arrange those myths into something that makes sense.
 
I was hoping to find some intelligent conversation in this thread, but imagine my shock and horror when I actually started to read it. I feel sorry for the human race when I read threads like this (especially by what the OP titled this thread). Do some research before you start commenting on something. And please be sober.

The only rational people in this thread I would actually like to converse with are MrM, Dave, The Blind Guy, and Okami. Probably qwe, too. If only for his great taste in avatars (Morn!).
 
^^ Maybe the most biased post in here lol. Open your mind and stop reading with what you only agree with and then posting something arrogant.
and i would like to think that sober comment wasnt about me because someone suggested it.

i dont believe in a physical material god either, but as statistics goes, everything is assumed and sometimes improbable things happen.
and to explain spirituality sometimes you have to use basic metaphors such as god and satin which some atheist (and theists) don't understand, i assume.
and if anyone was defined as rational like you said, we would be able to always predict what theyll do next.

if you dont want to converse with anyone in this thread then dont post.
 
While I will stand by my statement, that doesn't mean that I am adverse to discussing philosophy or religion with anyone here. New points of view are always welcome.

What I meant, though, is that most of the people that have commented in this thread (particularly about atheism) are sorely lacking in knowledge in that area. Which is why my advice was to research something before you start bashing it. I am actually well-versed in religion, and that is why I am an atheist. And I define being rational as being skeptical about things, and only "believing" (although believing is the wrong word here) what can be proven.

Sorry if I came off as rude or something. I have a tendency to do that, and I've been trying to work on it.

Would you like to discuss anything in particular?
 
I don't really have one. I find the entire concept of "god" to be ridiculous and embarrassingly human.

However, if I did have to choose, it'd be the Einsteinian one.
 
well how can you absolutely not believe in something you dont even have an idea about?
 
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Because there really is no good reason to. Religion is responsible for all of the burden of proof. They proposed all of these ridiculous and extraordinary concepts. Therefore it require extraordinary proof.

And I don't "absolutely" not believe in it. You can't absolutely know anything. So therefore, I am agnostic about the idea of god. I just find it extremely unlikely (even more so for most of the theistic gods that are suggested), and that is why I label myself as an atheist.

But really, I hate that term, and I don't actually label myself as anything when I'm alone. I don't spend too much time pondering over whether or not there is a god, or if there are supernatural forces at work, because it doesn't impact my life. If there were no religious people, I doubt I would've ever thought about any of this in the first place. It just doesn't effect me. I only call myself an atheist so that people have a general idea of where I stand religiously (although it rarely helps, as most people don't even know what atheism is. Simply, it is the disbelief in a god or gods. That's it.).
 
have you ever thought that some religious people do not take anything in their text literal, but understand it as a projection of experiences you feel but cannot explain? It allows some of us to understand our feelings by disconnecting ourselves into a third person point of view and then relating back towards us.

God was never intended to be material or physical. It was really us and the universe. God hasn't told anyone anything. It was someone being true to themselves to understand something personal they thought humans were not capable of, so they projected it into a third person point of view disconnecting it from themselves for whatever reason. Its not the work of god through us, its the work of us understanding what we hate, accepting the universe for how it is and letting go to move on.

That's my definition of god. I'm not really sure what that makes me. And as any 'religious' person I don't like when atheists do not agree with that lol.
 
But that's not what the Bible (or any religious text, for that matter) was intended for. It certainly was meant to be seen as the literal word of God, and that "truth" was propagated for hundreds and hundreds of years (in fact, it still is). It was only until the advent of science and reason that people started to become aware of the universe around them, and began to question the veracity of religious texts.

This is why atheists attack literalist views of religious texts, and don't ever bring up people who "feel" the Bible or whatnot. Because if the Bible really isn't the word of God, then everything in it is discredited. You can't just pick and choose what is true and what isn't. Either all of it is true, or none of it is.

Also, I find most of those books to very disgusting and hateful. Calling them a "projection of experiences" that might help us "accept the universe" sounds rather crap to me.
 
That's what writing is... a projection of yourself into words, and if its spiritual, its about accepting yourself within the universe. Am I wrong?
If it was a matter of "either all is true or none is true" then why are there so many branches of different religions? Clearly people understand the writings have been reinterpreted every time it was translated. Therefore, religious texts are up for interpretation. If you find them disgusting and hateful, maybe you find yourself disgusting and hateful.
 
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That's what writing is... a projection of yourself into words, and if its spiritual, its about accepting yourself within the universe. Am I wrong?
If it was a matter of "either all is true or none is true" then why are there so many branches of different religions? Clearly people understand the writings have been reinterpreted every time it was translated. Therefore, religious texts are up for interpretation. If you find them disgusting and hateful, maybe you find yourself disgusting and hateful.
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Again, what? I find a book that was written two thousand years ago by people far less intelligent or loving than myself, so therefore I hate myself? How does that work?

And the reason why there are so many interpretations of religion, is because it is wrong. If it was right, you would only need one version, seeing as how God is omnipotent and perfect. Religion wouldn't be subjected to the same standards as everything else if it was the true word of God.

Also, the reason why we have religion in the first place (and certainly why it is still around today in our modern and scientific society) is because people are ignorant, lazy, and scared, and don't want to admit the truth. People will go to extraordinary lengths to deny things that (even though they are true) would make them unhappy. Don't like the idea of your dead 5 year old child being gone forever? Just invent a magical, happy place where everything is perfect and where he/she will live forever and where you will join him/her soon.
 
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.. one day, i just felt lazy saying and trying to believe i was an atheist.
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What do you mean? I don't quite understand what you are trying to say.

Do you mean that you were once religious, but found it intellectually lazy, and so became an atheist?

Or were you at one time an atheist, but found that to be intellectually lazy, and so converted to a religion?
 
people are ignorant, lazy, and scared, and don't want to admit the truth. People will go to extraordinary lengths to deny things
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BAM lol

do u have some monsters under the bed that dont let you sleep at night, or do you tell yourself they arent there?


i do hope you dont take this literal.
 
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What do you mean by that? I'm too tired at the moment to try to suss that out.
 
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What do you mean? I don't quite understand what you are trying to say.

Do you mean that you were once religious, but found it intellectually lazy, and so became an atheist?

Or were you at one time an atheist, but found that to be intellectually lazy, and so converted to a religion?
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hmm
;-)
i always have had to acknowledge the presence of our spirit -
and realized soon enough, that there is a "source", beyond the intellect.
you know?
once i let go and stopped trying to assume of such things,,, i didnt need to anymore.
plus, i could also try and use an analogy and say; that it took me being struck by lightning in order to finally give recognition to electricity...
:-X
 
maybe one day it will click, but until then u can keep blaming everyone else for why the world sucks.
 
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