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What aspects of the atheist religion do you like/dislike?

Religion is a collection of cultural systems, belief systems, and worldviews that establishes symbols that relate humanity to spirituality and moral values.[1] Many religions have narratives, symbols, traditions and sacred histories that are intended to give meaning to life or to explain the origin of life or the universe. They tend to derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle from their ideas about the cosmos and human nature.
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Having or not having a God is irrelevant in whether something is a religion...Atheism as I said before carry none of things mentioned above, it has no imposing order.
 
what about the problem with the fact that most people who identify in polls as atheist, don't really care and haven't thought about it one way or another?


NOFX on the subject:

It's not that I don't believe in Jesus Christ.
It's just I care about other things.
The world could certainly use some miracles,
Until then I'll put my faith in human being.

I would call myself a secular humanist, my "religion" is to be good to and help all people.
 
muvolution said:
what about the problem with the fact that most people who identify in polls as atheist, don't really care and haven't thought about it one way or another?
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Same can be said for non-practicing Christians and Catholics cant it? Also there are plenty of athiests who are involved in the atheist community.
 
Same can be said for non-practicing Christians and Catholics cant it? Also there are plenty of athiests who are involved in the atheist community.
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i think your missing muv's point. alot of the people who identify as atheist aren't actually atheist at all. they don't believe anything, and they assume that this is what being atheist means. but an athiest believes something. they believe that there is no god. they don't abstain from the question, they answer it.

it's a good point muv. but it doesn't really bother me as a problem. there more numbers atheists can get, the better i say XD

edit: although i suppose there are a few catholics who say they are catholic because they were born and raised that way, but if you asked them if they believed in god, they would say no, not realizing they are contradicting themselves. it's too bad philosophy isn't taught at primary school. umm... i dunno. i guess, whats your point, that this problem is shared outside atheism? that doesn't make it any less valid :P
 
echo off - you pretty much echoed my sentiment s exactly.

I didn't use the term "agnostic" because alot of times, people haven't even thought about it enough to consider themselves to believe firmly that they are unsure. They just haven't even thought about it. Or they don't even want to use the term "agnostic" or "atheist" less they give the impression that they care one way or another.

Or for some, it may be a way of showing that they consider it an issue which is impossible to solve, and thus is of no interest. This is an ultra existentialist point of view, but basically that combined with not wanting to give the impression of having any preference or even considering the issue worthy of discussion or thought.
 
religion in my opinion is a tool to manipulate us to believe in self and other (no doubting things), acceptance of self and other, to let go of things, and just be, if used correctly.

so if an atheist cant do that then thats what i dont like about them

prayer implies believing
believing implies acceptance
acceptance implies letting go
letting go implies sacrificing
sacrificing implies love
 
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religion in my opinion is a tool to manipulate people to believe in self and other (no doubting things), acceptance of self and other, to let go of things, and just be, if used correctly.

so if an atheist cant do that then thats what i dont like about them
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you say religion's function is to impart certainty to our worldview, which offers comfort with ourselves and the rest of the universe (fitting, that you imply this duality exists...), when used correctly. so, when an atheist becomes comfortable with themselves and the universe (like me), you don't like that?

are you sure this makes sense, post-comedown?
 
^^ no i said just the opposite; if we cant believe in ourselves or others, or learn to let go, then i wouldnt give us much credit.
im not grouping anyone according to what religion or not religion they are.

but if you can accomplish those aspects w/o religion then that's great
but if we cant believe in ourselves or others, or cant let go, then we should probably get over ourselves. same goes for us who are religious but know nothing about spirituality.

i think it makes great sense, maybe there was just some miss communication.
and im perfectly sober lol, but sometimes i think i have unstructured thoughts in general.
 
i agree with sssss, people who say atheism is a religion are totally wrong, God is God we humans cannot understand His mysteries those have to revealed on Judgment day, I believe God exist and i have seen it
 
I have a friend, very smart guy bt he believes that when he dies
everything jst shuts off as if everything goes black, I respect that, alil
scary bt if everything goes black then you will dtill be there in some form, idk good question
I don't like how they think there choices made on earth do not
represent your place in afterlife
 
i dislike how some people get to see god... anyone who gets a special message from god pisses me off. why do you get it mofo, i'll fkn kill a cunt if god doesn't stop me dammit! XD jk

^^ no i said just the opposite; if we cant believe in ourselves or others, or learn to let go, then i wouldnt give us much credit.
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i think i get what you're getting at both here and in the previous post... but i disagree. letting go of things like hate, and just accepting our reality and loving it isn't what religion teaches at all. it doesn't preach mere self discipline, and arguable by definition something that is entirely personal is considered a philosophy or spirituality rather than a religion. but i'd agree that religions purpose is to manipulate us into a course of action.

im not grouping anyone according to what religion or not religion they are.
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in my opinion you should. religion is the only really simple way to classify people without being racist or sexist. and it's actually fair. you chose to maintain your religion/beliefs. if you disagree, you are claiming to have been brainwashed (perhaps by god or something), and your opinion therefore invalidated. in my opinion, the only difference in a human that really matters is what they think. and if they think about killing me, or simply declaring me unholy, then i'd be stupid to not take notice. as to whether i should preemptively go on the offence... well i'd be pretty late to the game... what's do say i haven't been defending already for most of my life. maybe perspective is really all that matters. maybe that's why religion has so much influence, and so much at stake. i say that in reference to:
religion in my opinion is a tool to manipulate us to believe in self and other (no doubting things), acceptance of self and other, to let go of things, and just be, if used correctly.
so if an atheist cant do that then thats what i dont like about them
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let me double check how that reads... so if an atheist can't be manipulated into 'what you deem good' then that's a bad thing? are you seriously saying that?

edit: i also wanted to add... to quote myself: "letting go of things like hate, and just accepting our reality and loving it..." when i say this, my main fear is that hate is one of the most important emotions. if i was religious, i'd say i should hate satan. if i was me five years ago, i'd say i should hate waste. these days, i hate religion, and america, and almost everything else that has happened since the beginning of the industrial revolution. at times i even hate computers, and you, bluelight. but you're much more forgiving than god, thank... err, thank trollface, god of the internet. and i still love australia, tho i don't know why anymore. and don't get me wrong, i don't hate americans, just your damn country, and half your ex-presidents.

ps: i'm not an atheist, this thread shouldn't be about hating me, as you might be feeling right now XD
 
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^^^Then what do you think religion is?

Im just going to ignore your second point.

And god doesnt hate satan, he accepted that satan didnt want anything to do with his heaven, and he let him go.
manipulation isnt necessarily a bad thing; it just has a bad connotation.
hating something is rly hating something about yourself, accept it and let it go.
 
sssssssssss said:
^^^Then what do you think religion is?

Im just going to ignore your second point.

And god doesnt hate satan, he accepted that satan didnt want anything to do with his heaven, and he let him go.
manipulation isnt necessarily a bad thing; it just has a bad connotation.
hating something is rly hating something about yourself, accept it and let it go.
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After the war in heaven, of course. And by "let go" you mean "banished".
Manipulation is actually bad. That's why it has a bad connotation....

And hating something is not hating something about myself. I don't have things I hate inside of me because I hate them. I wouldn't allow myself to have something internal that I hated, as part of my personality or what have you.

I'm going to go so far as to say that nobody has ever had a prayer answered by any deity in the history of humanity.
Insanity is when you try something multiple times in a row and expect different results.

So yeah, get on your knees and talk to that imaginary friend of yours. I'm sure it will make a legitimate difference in the circumstances of your life beyond what you could have done for and by yourself.
 
If god hated the devil, then he would hate something about himself because he in fact created the devil.

do you understand yet? you seem in major denial of yourself.
its not necessarily true that god answers prayers, but its a mechanism for people to ask, and put their faith in their god so that they can let go of their fears and worries.

the teacher that always picks a student is giving that student reassurance that he can answer the question, and usually that student becomes one of the brightest in the class.
you like using calculators on math tests even though you know how to solve it yourself.

as a kid you felt better when someone close to you told you that everything was going to be alright when u were in a tough situation.
some people need a god to have reassurance that everything is going to be okay

its rly not that complicated.
 
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If god hated the devil, then he would hate something about himself because he in fact created the devil.Neither of them exist, so it doesn't matter.

do you understand yet? you seem in major denial of yourself. lol, what? how am I in denial of myself? I openly analyze my personality and have done so for years. It's the reason why I make so much forward progress.
its not necessarily true that god answers prayers[so what's the point?], but its a mechanism for people to ask, and put their faith in their god so that they can let go of their fears and worries. Why can't these people get over their fears and worries themselves? I did. Also, not everyone prays to quell their fears, some people pray for things to happen. And they don't. So... this is like someone drinking to remove a problem; it's still gonna be there when the hangover sets in.

the teacher that always picks a student is giving that student reassurance that he can answer the question, and usually that student becomes one of the brightest in the class. This didn't have anything to do with anything else, and from what I have seen going through grade school, is largely not true.
you like using calculators on math tests even though you know how to solve it yourself. I like using calculators on math tests because I don't know what the sin value of a 47 degree angle is. It is a tool to calculate so that I can right down the answer without taking up the time allotted for the test. This, again, makes no sense and had nothing to do with anything else in your post.

as a kid you felt better when someone close to you told you that everything was going to be alright when u were in a tough situation.You're getting somewhere, now.
some people need a god to have reassurance that everything is going to be okayOnly everything is not going to be ok, because they're still going to die and there still is no heaven. So they're seeking reassurance from something[that never talks to them back] to get through a tough situation? That seems so silly. Why don't they talk to, you know, people? I think people would be a better place to seek comfort because most people have the same fears and anxieties as you do, and talking about them with other people will make you feel better.

its rly not that complicated.
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Still seems like a waste of time, to me.
 
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