"When it comes down to it, people who are worried about how over-indulgent people "affect the scene" are just worried about it making their lives harder. It's selfishness, exactly what they are accusing the over-indulgers of. "
So you're saying their selfishness is just something we should accept without complaint and be the "better person" for letting them do it? A certainly good ideal in some situations and to good idealistic people, but preposterous to me...Damn right we're worried about them making certain aspects of our lives harder, and it's something you apparently don't understand by your statements (when you have the DEA, the government, local law enforcement all watching and judging you, threatening you by taking away your rights to go to a fucking musical event, it only becomes natural to defend and stand up for a part of what has become yours)...They ARE affecting us, all of us in a local and even greater scene by their actions..Many who over-indulge have selfish and careless behaviour, which in many, many cases here, occurs in people who only come into our scene for 6-9 months and could give a fuck about where it goes after that (Realize I'm not stereotyping, but in my years of experience, I have come to notice a thing or two about the flow of people in and out of the electronic scene, along with noting many of the trends and actions of different types of people)...Where the hell are all those people during the protests against local or nation governments acts against our events? Where are they during the multitude of small, local dj's events to support the scene? These "over-indulgent" people simply don't care, they only want a public, "hip" place to do their drugs in, and we're subject to it. I have no problem with their degree of usage or methods until they bring it around us in a public light... It is they who are selfish, care little to nothing about the other people and dj's there (again, I've talked to plenty of people in my time partying, and these "noodles" as we call them here, have very, VERY little to say on anything other than drugs and blowing up), and don't berate us for sticking up for something which has come to mean more to us than fools like that ever will...It is we who will continue to party and support in the future, not those who "over-indulge" and understand nothing of our appreciations for music, vibe and energy...
"If being utilitarian is all there was to life, life would be boring as shit. "
I totally agree, but I don't see how you connect Velocide's statements nor mine with being utilitarian, and even we have differing opinions on those who take too much or spend the whole nite trying to blow up, etc....At no point was I myself describing a pre-set bunch of rules with the "correct use of MDMA"..I think people should use in whatever the hell way they want too man (as my gf always says, diversity is a GOOD thing), it's only when they bring it into a musical scene that's already under fire for the same actions that others have done when I have a problem with it (especially when they haven't been in it for more than a month and think they can treat public venues and people like their own rooms and trash it accordingly)...Hell, if it wasn't the same situation we had now, I'd probably hardly care less if there were people doing over-indulgence all over the place, it is their choice like you say..It's not for them that I party, it's for me and my friends...
And on a personal note, I have never, repeat NEVER taken MDMA nor any other chemical under the delusion of having a greater purpose behind it other than to have a fantastic time, connect on a higher level with my friends and gf, think on specific things at a clarified and different level, etc, etc...I don't even fully buy into the whole "Once you get the message, hang up the phone" phrase...I don't use MDMA to get a message, I already have one..
) on those around me, joking around, always making lame jokes for the sake of getting a groan... I'm involved in sketch-based stage comedy shows.
