Ways to kick dope....

[kapheen']

I'm just curious on how people have kicked heroin with out going to a clinic or seeking medical help from professionals. Some past experiences would be nice. Anything that has helped kick dope, Or made it as painless as possible.

What pharmies people have taken to help kick. Whether it be Imodium (Loperamide) or other opiates/opioids. I just want what every junkie wants - To get off with the least bit of pain/with drawls. Does Tramadol help at all when trying to kick?.

I've been trying to kick for two months or so. I plan to use once a month or so once I get off (yeah right) - Or maybe even go back to hydrocodone once my tolerance is low enough (My personal preference when it comes to opiate highs). My tolerance is way to high and its beginning to be a serious problem when it comes to money.

Also, If one was to have a few of bags of dope and hold back from using them for recreational purposes, Would it be possible to taper off of it?.

I'm beginning to feel sick so I apologize for the shitty worded post. Not thinking about to much but getting high.

One more question I figured I'd add in here, Rather than creating another topic... I've recently been getting my shit from a new source. I'll describe it then ask my question. It's very brown, Soft and in chunks or small beads that break up easily - I've never smelled dope like this, The smell reminds me of gasoline. Way more potent than the average vinegar smelling powder heroin. Question: About 30-45 minutes into the high my vision gets very blurred, Which has never happen to me. I'm guessing its the cut (Or maybe its not even heroin). Its very strong, Maybe the best I've ever had. Any ideas?.

 

[Partykid12]

First of all, there is no such thing as "once a month" with a junky. By junky I mean someone that loves opiates, truley loves them and has been addicted to them. I'm not saying junky in a bad way either, shit, I'm a junky. I think that maybe you got the best shit you have ever gotten, if it takes away the 'sickness' then it's real heroin I guess. If you are still feeling ill and still going through wd's then it was fake. When I kicked opiates, I went cold turkey and it sucked. The only thing I took was the Loperamide and Aleve. Once I took benzos, but that acts like a crutch and I don't like how benzos make me feel so I never used them again.

I would probably just switch to tramadol or hydrocodone so that you can taper off. You probably won't get high off these drugs if you have a heroin habit but at least it will help you get off the dope. When you are off the dope you can make up your decision as to what you want to do but I would probably recommend not doing opiates at all if you want to stop.

 

[negrogesic]

Just go cold turkeys. Loperamide helps ALOT, so do benzos, but they arent necessary. Anti-psychotics like zyprexa and risperidal help as well.

But yes, you can have the physical withdrawal over in a week, using loperamide to help. It not THAT hard, and you feel alot better after....

 

[kemikals]

First you didn't clarify if you use daily. If you do try tapering either with hydro or dope or whatever opiates you have. Like negro said loperamide and benzos will help once your done tapering. Also, you have to be totally commited to quitting otherwise it'll be a waste so make the choice.

 

[naturalone]

yeah, i've been dope sick for a couple of days, unfortunately. i have found that trying to time it so that the first couple of days you are a) alone and b) can sleep A LOT. yes, it's hard to sleep, but with the right meds it is possible. even if you don't sleep, being able to do 'nothing' is a godsend.

imo, the first 72 hours are the worst. so, last dose + length of high, then add 72 hours. you WILL need something for the shits. seroquel helps for the sleep. 1 100mg tab can put you down for hours. if you can sleep for the first 72 hours, that would be the best.

drink LOTS of water, scream, shout, break things...do whatever you need to to get rid of the anxiety.

most of all, make sure that you are of the mindset that you CAN beat it. even though i plan on going back in, i believe that i am more powerful than the w/d's. it's a mind trick, and only half works (at best), but it's part of the whole thing.

g/l. the w/d's DO go away, even without taking more meds. they WILL go away. KNOW that. know it. once you get to a point where you feel the wind on your face, enjoy music again and feel alive, you will feel really good.

 

[error745]

naturalone: You're not going on the wagon are you??

I thought that you had some sorta chronic pain thing?

Anyways- I agree. I can't really sleep or be alone, but when I take my breaks it definitely helps me to screw. Someone on here posted DLPA (an ammino acid) and that does help in my case, especially because I do get scripted the stuff for legit pain- which gets kicked up a few notches when combined with the whole w/d thing. DLPA kinda acts as a shitty painkiller if taken in the right doses. Ambien only knocks me down for about 2.5 hours when I'm taking time off.

I also have to agree with the music thing. Somehow in my case at least it really gets the dopamine thing going.

 

[naturalone]

^^ yeah, i do have chronic pain. however, i decided to up the rec dosage of my meds to the 10th degree (never gone 'that' big before). so, i'm out of meds and can't get more until next week. AND, all of my sources have dried-up. so, i'm dope sick as fuck. at least i saw it coming a little early and did a 3 day rapid taper. didn't help all that much, but it did a little.

 

[error745]

Sorry to hear that.

This is a crappy time in history to be an opioid user. Unless you want TRAMADOL... (that was meant for a laugh)

I'm on a forced break right now. Have marked Friday as my go-off time, so I'll get my refill then. Decided to let the script run out before running to DC (with nothing) to see freinds and stuff, thinking the activity would distract me. That was my really stupid idea of the year. The trip was a little too much like torture.

Time period is the same though, approx. A couple weeks. A lot of tolerance can be lost in that time, I've noticed. So there's the good news.

 

[kapheen']

If I didn't use daily I don't think I'd be to concerned about with-drawls.

I work and my job requires me to be very social and talk a lot, To lots of random people - Which isn't especially easy while feeling dope sick. When I'm sick I want to be by my self and left alone. Thats why I'm trying to figure out a "easy way out".

I'm thinking of switching over to tramadol for a week or so then tapering off of that, If it would be possible without getting to overly sick. Or, Tapering off of the dope, Which is a bitch - Because I just want to get high (A little bit will hold me over for about 8-12 hours, Usually). But I can do it if I was to have some sort of taper guide?. If I can hold back from getting high for a few days and use small amounts then in theory with-drawls should be less intense, Right?.

Thanks for all the replies.

 

[naturalone]

yeah, i just grabbed the name and number off of a bupe reference site posted by TheTruth. fact is that i would like to take an opioid break, and do some holistic type stuff for a while. i wonder if my pain is 'worse' because of my addiction, and would love to test that out...but, not right now. i had a friend stop by and help me out of a tough spot, at least temporarily.

thing is, when my scripts run out, i have some very illegal choices that i can typically fall back on. i just fucking HATE the idea of getting busted for 90 pills. it drives me nuts.

plus, i heard through the grapevine that there is some new california legislation regarding CIII narcs...i have to research it, but i hear that shit is going to start being tracked like CII and CI. anybody with any info?

i realize that's off topic. i'm sorry 'bout that kapheen. if you want, i'll start a new thread (might do that anyway).

 

[kapheen']

Naa, Its no problem. Don't worry about it.

Might as well add that I just got about 30 37.5mg Ultracets for the assistance.

Any more information welcome. Thanks in advance.

 

[swybs]

ultracets for WD

ultracets (tramadol) can work for minor WDs, though I presume buph would be more helpful for your scenario, especially considering that I find tramadol only slightly masks the horrible WDs. Try and find a doc for some suboxone and you will be greatly appreciative. Suboxone is the greatest thing in the world for WDs (better, IMO, than methadone, considering methadone's addiction chain that strengthens over time--sure, methadone users are quite happy the first couple weeks, but alas, all honeymoons must end)
and if you decide to go the buph route, try not to stay on it long...just my opinion.

swybs

 

[error745]

^^I agree about the masking thing. 'Course, masking will do when you constantly feel like crap. At least it's feeling like a different kind of crap. Sometimes the worst thing about it all is how consistant it is, and when you're in the thick of it it seems to go on forever... I asked my doc about buph, he said they barely talked about it when he was in school and he didn't feel comfortable scripting it. Then he wrote me a gigantic script for hydro.

Kapheen, if you've got the ability to taper, my method has been to reduce by 50% a day until I'm at zero. It's not great fun though, and takes a shitload of willpower. I mean, if the drug didn't dictate to me how I took it, I wouldn't have any problems. Going against that nature isn't easy- might be easier just to switch off. But... I think yeah, the W/D is not as bad. Last time I did that I barely needed imodium.

naturalone: I've wondered the same thing, whether or not the whole chronic pain thing is made "worse" by opioids. It certainly wasn't good to begin with, so we're talking about different degrees of shitty again. I have felt a euphoric rush just from getting a script before, just because it's a comfort to know the pain's an option for a while.

I've researched and am giving the holistic thing a serious shot, once my stuff gets here. I'll let you know how it goes.

Best thread I've read in a long time. Thanks Y'all

 

[blahblahblah]

^ You should give accupunture a shot, if you want to venture into holistic healing. I swear a 1/2 - 1 hour treatment works better for calming the nerves than 6mg of K-pins and lasts long to.

 

[Ketamike]

Re: ultracets for WD

Suboxone is the greatest thing in the world for WDs

for reals.. not only does it cure your sickness.. but it also lowers your tolerance... may the inventor of Suboxone spend eternity in a heroin heaven.

 

[kapheen']

Has anyone ever got there primary care physician to script them Suboxone or Bupe?. My doc is very familiar with all my pain issues - I've actually turned down 10/500's hydro's. No insurance to cover the script. And the money I had I would have rather spent it on dope.

See, I have this plan to tell my doctor that I've been having someone order me OC's off of the net (For like 6 months). And that the source got shut down and I have only a few left. I'm then going to ask her if she can help me taper off of them. And after that if she could write a legit script for my "pain". What do you guys think?.

I don't know, I feel like ass though.

Thanks for the replies.

 

[ebeneezer_geeza]

Some doctors will prescribe it depends where you are and what their policies are. In the UK they get extra money for dealing with drug addiction, but few want to do it and wont either.

You perhaps stand a better chance providing they think it will be a one off and they have someone who is a professional in addiction who they can call upon for prescribing guidelines.

 

[kapheen']

My newest idea to assist in me kicking dope. I will be getting 2-3 50uh/h Duragesic patches. They supposedly last for 72 hours, But, I doubt that.

Regardless, I think at least 4 days would be enough to get me through the roughest part of dope with-drawl. I just hope this fucking helps.

Let me know what you guys think, And how much or little you think it will help. It would be great if i had enough free time to just put me to sleep for a good few days.

One more thing, Duragesic has a very short half life, Right?

 

[platinum907]

Just taper down over time, then take some immodium, drink alot of water and try and do stuff if possible.

I was so afraid of getting "dopesick" I would freak out when I thought I was getting sick. A good point to this is the fact that most junkies will not get as sick if they have some opiates in their possession. I mean can't you wait alot longer and not start freaking when you have plenty of dope, but when you are out you start going nuts.

DO WHAT YOU FEAR MOST AND THE FEAR GOES AWAY

That is a good mantra. Trust me, dopesickness is 90% mental. It took me alot of years and bad decisions to figure that out, but once I kicked a large methadone habit cold turkey I realised this.

Good luck, and tell yourself you are not sick. Don't harp on it as that is what gets you going.

Fear is what keeps people from accomplishing alot of things in life, kicking dope is no exception.

peace

 

[psychetool]

I'm all about the cold turkey method combined with ample cannabis & liquer.