Damn never saw it that way for some reason. It is onvious now. I mean it was what it was.Remember that Jesus wanted his suicide by cop.
Just goes to show never ride on the back of an ass into town unless one wants to get shot by johnny law.

Damn never saw it that way for some reason. It is onvious now. I mean it was what it was.Remember that Jesus wanted his suicide by cop.
What makes you think that the god of the Old Testament is the god that sent Jesus down to kill himself? Do you reject the gnostic ideology that the god of the Old Testament is a flawed god who only values worship? I mean this is the same god who told Abraham to sacrifice his son and then told him not to at the last minute as if it was a source of entertainment for him. And he also said that the burning of animal flesh was pleasing to him. I don’t think that that is the same god that would send the Christ down to earth and override the rituals that he initiated in the first place.Was Judas a hero and most trusted disciple, or a traitor?
Most people see Judas as a traitor in the myth of the crucifixion. Few recognize that Jesus was asking his most trusted disciple, Judas, to turn him over to the Jews and Pilate.
Most are unaware of the meaning of the sop that Jesus gave to Judas at the last supper. Without knowing the definition and meaning of that word, it is not surprising that most think of Judas as they do. The completely wrong way.
A sop is basically a gift or conciliatory bribe, something that seals a deal. That is what Jesus gave Judas, his most trusted disciple. We know he was Jesus’ favorite because he was Jesus’ banker.
Dictionary reference for sop.
Something that is done or given to someone in order to prevent trouble, gain support, etc.
A conciliatory gift or bribe.
Without the betrayal, Jesus would not have died for us, as Yahweh had planned, and scriptures say that Judas also had no choice as that would have derailed god’s plan.
If any blame for Jesus’ death is to be given, it must be to Yahweh, whose plan, scriptures say must come to pass. Meaning that Yahweh would have to control all the players including Judas.
Scriptures show Jesus persuading Judas to do what he would not ordinarily have thought of doing.
Judas believed that Jesus was the messiah who was to rise again to lead the Jews. This lie imposed by Yahweh.
Was Judas a good man doing Jesus’ will or was he a traitor?
Regards
DL
How could he not be more than of a one "sided" die in this world?Jesus can be seen as someone who was versatile enough to relate to both parties and probably had the capacity to have compassion and understanding for multiple perspectives
You have to first recognize that Gnostic Christianity does not believe in the supernatural or a literal miracle working Jesus.What makes you think that the god of the Old Testament is the god that sent Jesus down to kill himself? Do you reject the gnostic ideology that the god of the Old Testament is a flawed god who only values worship? I mean this is the same god who told Abraham to sacrifice his son and then told him not to at the last minute as if it was a source of entertainment for him. And he also said that the burning of animal flesh was pleasing to him. I don’t think that that is the same god that would send the Christ down to earth and override the rituals that he initiated in the first place.
That is why Judas recognized Jesus for who he truly was and that’s why Jesus rebukes Peter when he says that he is supposed to be the messiah who is supposed overthrow the Roman government. Because the apostles that are praised by the orthodox and protodox are the apostles that understood Jesus on a more physical and practical level while the apostles like Judas, Thomas, and Mary Magdalene understood him on a metaphysical level of which the orthodox apostles could not fully understand. Given that the whole account ever happened in the first place.
This gives rise to a different dimension of what could have potentially happened. On one level Judas can be seen as a traitor because that is how it really looked like to the other apostles and that can be valid but there is also another underlying perspective that is only shared between people with intrinsic tendency for self knowledge and spiritual awareness. They were able to be aware of the subconscious underworld like Jesus was. Jesus can be seen as someone who was versatile enough to relate to both parties and probably had the capacity to have compassion and understanding for multiple perspectives. Given that he wasn’t fictional or just a sky spirit that only revealed himself through revelation.
Is anyone surprised that Catholics as well as most Christian cults do not follow their own bible?Did you all know that the catholic church urges people not to judge. Even judas.
I read it in a CIS publication.
Really?Judas can be seen as a traitor because that is how it really looked like to the other apostles
If the gnostics only believe in Jesus in spirit form then why is Judas relevant? He should be subjected to the same kind of interpretation as well I would think. So if this happened literally you’re basically saying that Judas was never seen as a traitor until later tradition? Like how Mary Magdalene was conflated into a prostitute?You have to first recognize that Gnostic Christianity does not believe in the supernatural or a literal miracle working Jesus.
That is why we do not fear calling Yahweh a vile prick.
You are right that Jesus can be seen in many ways.
From a good compassionate God who will cure instead of kill, or the Yahweh and Trinity Jesus who kills when he could just as easily cure.
We think the orthodox sucks, given that they would rather use inquisitions and jihads instead of decent moral arguments to win people over.
Regards
DL
No putting words in my mouth now.If the gnostics only believe in Jesus in spirit form then why is Judas relevant? He should be subjected to the same kind of interpretation as well I would think. So if this happened literally you’re basically saying that Judas was never seen as a traitor until later tradition? Like how Mary Magdalene was conflated into a prostitute?
Check the stats and you will note how most of the markers for evil and violence are at the best levels that we have ever enjoyed.But then I hear about utterly horrible things happening in the world
Check the stats and you will note how most of the markers for evil and violence are at the best levels that we have ever enjoyed.
News is good for ad hock thinking.
Thinking according to known stats is better when thinking of individual issues or policies.
Regards
DL
I said nothing of news and I do watch it. To ignore what people use to control the masses around us would be unwise.I don't watch the news. I follow government policy making and its socioeconomic effects, if anything. I would say that the biggest evils in this world right now are government, corporations and the unseen crime syndicates who control them.
Even though there may be less blatant evil, I would say most human beings are asleep at the wheel. The level of consciousness is mediocre, to the point that a lot of people are just numbed out. Apathy is worse than evil, in a way.
A really interesting person I used to know said: 5% of humanity is actively doing good and 5% is actively doing evil. The rest are being directed by those 10%. I think this is fairly accurate.
Jesus was born to wake people up and Judas was the catalyst. We're still talking about Jesus to this day so it pretty much worked, but the level of awakening has stagnated and the Bible is no longer sufficient to elevate people.
Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught. Put man above God.Jesus was born to wake people up
There was a traitors act, sure, but given the Last Supper and how Judas is chosen by Jesus to specifically turn him in, while all the other apostles just let him, shows colusion in Jesus' suicide by cop.Since Jesus Himself prophesys that one of the twelve will betray Him, and Judus has fulfilled that word and thus is a traitor.
That's what the bible says.
But if anyone thinks the bible is a myth, why would you care to discuss a story from a fantasy book?
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All religious forums have suffered patronage as modernization and a craving foe equality shrink the numbers of religious.years ahead of other 'bible' forums