War on Drugs a Success

neversickanymore said:
never heard anyone singing the drug conviction record I got saved my life.
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The only ones I see doing this are former AA members who talk about Jesus alot. It is a highly stressful time. These guys, it is mostly guys right?, can be going through a divorce, facing unemployment, feeling basically like a piece of shit and are fighting with addiction to save their lives or for a loved one. It just gets too much for them.

When they've got nothing left to lose, you can feel the wild look as he asks if you believe the power of Jesus.

Ya. Fear God brother.

I am not going to get all preachy about my own beliefs. God represents something significant in their lives, I can understand that. He is forgiven.

I would imagine going through rehab in jail is the same sort. Done people get out, get a job, get happy, and sing a praise about the system.
I wish more people got the perspective of criminals. Many simply need help and will continue to abuse themselves and hurt others until they get some.

The level of help one receives depends on the system you are in. Various prisons are designed differently and have different programs to help inmates. Psych doctors are an integral part of prison and improving education is a proven, but not guaranteed, way of lowering recidivism.
 
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BlueHues said:
1999?! Are you fuckin kidding me?! That right there shows why those polls aren't even worth pissing on! More good MDMA pills than you could even imagine, heroin fucking cheap, pure and everywhere...a ton of real LSD still around...there was a lot more shit around then, than there is now! Especially ecstasy and heroin...1999?! What year did this website start and for what reason?
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It's the National Survey on Drug Use and Health conducted by NIDA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Institute_on_Drug_Abuse
 
pmoseman said:
The only ones I see doing this are former AA members who talk about Jesus alot. It is a highly stressful time. These guys, it is mostly guys right?, can be going through a divorce, facing unemployment, feeling basically like a piece of shit and are fighting with addiction to save their lives or for a loved one. It just gets too much for them.
When they've got nothing left to lose, you can feel the wild look as he asks if you believe the power of Jesus.
Ya. Fear God brother.
I am not going to get all preachy about my own beliefs. God represents something significant in their lives, I can understand that. He is forgiven.
I would imagine going through rehab in jail is the same sort. Done people get out, get a job, get happy, and sing a praise about the system.
I wish more people got the perspective of criminals. Many simply need help and will continue to abuse themselves and hurt others until they get some.
The level of help one receives depends on the system you are in. Various prisons are designed differently and have different programs to help inmates. Psych doctors are an integral part of prison and improving education is a proven, but not guaranteed, way of lowering recidivism.
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you already know my views on religion.. as far as God, who do you think fucken sent me and all the other good bluelighters;)
 
bit_pattern said:
Watching pmoseman continually humiliate him/herself in these arguments is a joy to behold, the gift that never stops giving =D
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Herself :)

It's always good to have a balance of differing views and opinions though, even if we don't all agree.
 
pmoseman said:
"In 2009, an estimated 21.8 million Americans aged 12 or older were current (past month) illicit drug users, meaning they had used an illicit drug during the month prior to the survey interview (Figure2.1). This estimate represents 8.7 percent of the population aged 12 or older."
I was never dismayed over the DEA using statistics like a bear uses teeth to get a Danish roll, but that I could have been so deluded. I mean I have no problem whatsoever making you all feel like crackheaded idiots, not really, but to be wounded myself? Being slightly wrong by not saying 91.3% hurts enough.
I hope you do go back and check those other numbers. If you have the time. No more betting you beer though.
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Shit, I mixed up millions with percentages there. Yeah, sorry about that, dumb mistake.
 
Differing views and opinions are fine, when those people can read facts that are presented to them and then change their minds. What we have here, is a god fearing troll hell bent on disagreeing simply because it's not a Christian thing to do. Maybe like all those wars the western world seems to love so much.
 
Yeah, I'm not a fan of "opinion" personally, it has too often become a guise whereby people can claim pretty much anything and simply deny the facts.
 
I'm not sure I believe all the facts all the time.
 
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bit pattern,

I don't know whether to take you seriously anymore. It is 1.5 cigarettes in 7 days and it was from the surgeon general. Take it or leave it.

You can use whichever statistic, lifetime prevelance or past month usage, you think works best.

So far, from the statistics of prison population you posted and illicit drug use neversickanymore posted, from 1978 to 2008 there are 10 fewer drug users for each 1 person that was put into prison.

Was it because Afghanistan was at war? Has that stopped the current drug trade?

I want to compare the value of sending people to prison with lowered drug use, on a national level, but... do we know how long each person spent in prison, since some of those were merely awaiting trial, and how many were drug charges?

Do we know what illicit drugs people stopped using and how "use" is defined?
Until we do, valid comparisons are not possible.


opi8,

Aren't you from Australia?
 
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pmoseman said:
bit pattern,

I don't know whether to take you seriously anymore. It is 1.5 cigarettes in 7 days and it was from the surgeon general. Take it or leave it.

You can use whichever statistic, lifetime prevelance or past month usage, you think works best.

So far, from the statistics of prison population you posted and illicit drug use neversickanymore posted, from 1978 to 2008 there are 10 fewer drug users for each 1 person that was put into prison.

Was it because Afghanistan was at war? Has that stopped the current drug trade?

I want to compare the value of sending people to prison with lowered drug use, on a national level, but... do we know how long each person spent in prison, since some of those were merely awaiting trial, and how many were drug charges?

Do we know what illicit drugs people stopped using and how "use" is defined?
Until we do, valid comparisons are not possible.


opi8,

Aren't you from Australia?
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Yes I am. As I told Busty the other day, the price of eggs in China is obscene, isn't it!

I was talking about not just the facts in this thread, but the facts in every single thread pmoseman responds to. It has its own version of the facts in its threads, none of which come to the same conclusion as all other facts. Since pmoseman is a creationist, I find its facts a lot less credible than the numerous others I come across.
 
Nobody should ever think for themselves or formulate their own opinions....All arguments should be strictly based on the "facts" discovered by others...

Or, pick up a phone book, call every tenth number and ask them what drugs they've used, and then you'd be able to present your very own "facts"! If nothing else, maybe ten years from now, some poor sap with with dismal rhetorical writing ability will cite you while trying to win an argument on a drug discussion message board!
 
I don't care for your thoughts at all.

If a "fact" has to have "quotation marks" then I don't think you undertstand what a "fact" is.
 
BlueHues said:
Nobody should ever think for themselves or formulate their own opinions....All arguments should be strictly based on the "facts" discovered by others...

Or, pick up a phone book, call every tenth number and ask them what drugs they've used, and then you'd be able to present your very own "facts"! If nothing else, maybe ten years from now, some poor sap with with dismal rhetorical writing ability will cite you while trying to win an argument on a drug discussion message board!
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Is that a fact?
 
opi8 said:
I don't care for your thoughts at all.

If a "fact" has to have "quotation marks" then I don't think you undertstand what a "fact" is.
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The temperature at which water boils is a fact....The circumference of the moon is a fact...Throwing out a bunch of nonsense based on convoluted studies and surveys using questionable methods by people with personal agendas is just bullshit! But I'm heartbroken that you "don't like my thinking"!
 
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